# Tax Rebates Are Unfair to the Poor? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2001, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tax-rebates-are-unfair-to-the-poor/70369 "2001-06-27T20:13:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Flymaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c4cdca/32.png) [@Flymaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flymaster)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2001, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tax-rebates-are-unfair-to-the-poor/70369/81 "2001-07-01T04:19:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by milroyj \* > \*\*I didn’t mean to get into the whole Clinton thing, but I find that getting your knickers in a bunch over President Bush’s tax speech, to the point where you say he “LIED to the citizens of this country”, ironic at best. \*\* See, you’re ignoring the fact that I have said that Clinton’s misleading testimony was wrong. That’s all fine and dandy. You’re preaching to the choir. It WAS wrong. However, he has not been found guilty of perjury, even with a Republican Senate. In fact, he was found NOT GUILTY of perjury, by an “evil Republican” Senate. An indictment/impeachment does NOT make someone guilty. “Rule of law” and all that. ---
**Author:** ![Freedom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bc8723/32.png) [@Freedom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freedom)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2001, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tax-rebates-are-unfair-to-the-poor/70369/82 "2001-07-01T14:32:26Z")
Two things… [1] Bush was talking about his **TAX PLAN**. The House and the Senate didn’t give him everything he wanted. [2] I have a feeling that you are having a little trouble with the math. The government offered you two options. 1. File as an idependent, and you would get a $300 refund. …or… 1. You can file with your parents, forgo your $300 and you parents can save a couple of thousand bucks. I gotta tell you…that Bush is such a fucking dick to mislead you like that:( ---
**Author:** ![Flymaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c4cdca/32.png) [@Flymaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flymaster)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2001, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tax-rebates-are-unfair-to-the-poor/70369/83 "2001-07-01T15:23:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Freedom \* > \*\*Two things… > > [1] Bush was talking about his **TAX PLAN**. The House and the Senate didn’t give him everything he wanted.\*\* No, he very much was NOT. He was talking about the tax plan that passed. The one that is now law. “What is especially significant about the tax relief passed by the United States House and Senate today…”, means that the bill had already passed. That quote is taken verbatim from the speech that my other quote was from, and that I linked to on the first page of this thread. You can ignore cites all you want, but a lie is still a lie. > [@](#): > > \*\* > [2] I have a feeling that you are having a little trouble with the math. > > The government offered you two options. > > 1. File as an idependent, and you would get a $300 refund. > …or… > 2. You can file with your parents, forgo your $300 and you parents can save a couple of thousand bucks. > > I gotta tell you…that Bush is such a fucking dick to mislead you like that:( > \*\* Ok, once again, let me say this. I DON’T DESERVE A TAX REFUND. I DON’T WANT A TAX REFUND. I DON’T EXPECT A TAX REFUND. I DON’T NEED A TAX REFUND. There. It’s in all caps. maybe this time you’ll fucking read it. I am not complaining about the law, or the exception that doesn’t let dependents recieve a tax break. I fully understand the logic. It makes sense. Bush, however, said, quite clearly, that I, and millions of others, WOULD be recieving a check this summer, when, demonstrably, we will not. Perhaps he was lying. Perhaps he just had his head so far up his ass that he didn’t even bother to READ the biggest piece of legislation passed during his administration (Far scarier that lying, btw). But the point is that the president advertised his cut as something that it was not. And that pisses the everloving fuck out of me. ---
**Author:** ![OxyMoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e9a140/32.png) [@OxyMoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OxyMoron)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2001, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tax-rebates-are-unfair-to-the-poor/70369/84 "2001-07-02T00:15:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Flymaster \* > Bush, however, said, quite clearly, that I, and millions of others, WOULD be recieving a check this summer, when, demonstrably, we will not. Perhaps he was lying. Perhaps he just had his head so far up his ass that he didn’t even bother to READ the biggest piece of legislation passed during his administration (Far scarier that lying, btw). But the point is that the president advertised his cut as something that it was not. And that pisses the everloving fuck out of me. \*\* Ok, Flymaster, you’ve now demonstrated that you’re OP amounted to little more than a pedantic whine. Try, please, to wrap your literal little mind around a couple of points: (1) There are gradations of untruths. Bush’s was of the most common and least interesting species: the exaggeration. In garden variety human-speak (let alone garden-variety politician-speak), “every single” is lucky to rise to level of “most.” Here, he was off by several million people. The reality is that several million people doesn’t matter much on the scale of 300 million. Yawn. (2) Do you know how many people read an ominibus budget bill? The answer is…no one. Because they’re usually in the realm of at least several hundred, and more often several thousand, pages long. You might be able to collect a group of 150 people who collectively might have read the entire document at some point in its gestation, but even that’s unlikely. Is that a nice, scientific way of producing policy? Of course not. Does it matter? Not really. But apparently you’ve never heard the aphorism that those who like sausage and obey the law should never see either one being made. (3) Grow up. ---
**Author:** ![OxyMoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/e9a140/32.png) [@OxyMoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OxyMoron)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2001, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tax-rebates-are-unfair-to-the-poor/70369/85 "2001-07-02T00:37:19Z")
(Of course, that should read “_your_ OP…”) What was that I said about pedantry…? (whistling away, looking at the clouds) ---
**Author:** ![Flymaster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c4cdca/32.png) [@Flymaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flymaster)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2001, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tax-rebates-are-unfair-to-the-poor/70369/86 "2001-07-02T03:55:55Z")
The president lies about his tax bill because, as you say, he might not have actually READ it, I call him on it, and I’m the one who has to grow up? Fuck you. He lied. I’m pissed. I’m not going to roll over and take it as the president lies to the public to make himself SOUND like he did things that he didn’t do. Fuck him, and fuck you. I’m not going to “grow up,” because I’m right. ---
**Author:** ![Tejota](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@Tejota](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tejota)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2001, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tax-rebates-are-unfair-to-the-poor/70369/87 "2001-07-02T08:16:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Anthracite \* > "It’s my money, I **earned it by working my motherfucking ass off** Which proves that you are not wealthy enough to be benefited by this tax cut. The truly wealth don’t have to work their asses off, and very very few of them do. The whole notion of “It’s my money: I earned it” applies only to working class people. The idle rich have more money than they could possibly **earn** if you give that word it’s usual meaning. Just take a good look at the salaries of CEO’s of large and mid-size corporations if you want to see an example of unearned income. The sad truth is that any reasonably intelligent person with basic math skills could do as good a job as most CEO’s. Only a very few are actually good enough to justify their salaries, but even the failures are paid more than you or I. tj ---
**Author:** ![Tejota](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/958977/32.png) [@Tejota](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tejota)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2001, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tax-rebates-are-unfair-to-the-poor/70369/88 "2001-07-02T08:19:57Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by milroyj \* > That’s where you’re wrong. He was IMPEACHED over this. The House of Representatives, even under _evil_ Republican control, does not sit around waiting to draw up Articles of Impeachment, without significant evidence! Funny, from where I stand that’s _precisely_ what they did. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tax-rebates-are-unfair-to-the-poor/70369.md?page=4)