# TdF2021 - ALLEZ! **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** bicycling-cycling\ **Created:** [June 22, 2021, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tdf2021-allez/944839 "2021-06-22T14:42:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tdf2021-allez/944839/121 "2021-07-03T15:18:21Z")
Wonder what kind of damage has been caused at the back of the field. ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tdf2021-allez/944839/122 "2021-07-03T15:31:48Z")
Just so long as Cav isn’t OTL. He can’t take his 35th stage win on the Champs d’Elysee if he’s disqualified. ---
**Author:** ![Drsunflower1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drsunflower1/32/12711_2.png) [@Drsunflower1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drsunflower1)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tdf2021-allez/944839/123 "2021-07-03T15:32:11Z")
And again the polkadot jersey is for a Dutchman. Yay us! ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tdf2021-allez/944839/124 "2021-07-03T15:34:11Z")
Sidetrack: I’ve always wondered where Dutch climbers even learned and developed this special skill. Do they go to Germany, Belgium or France already in their youth to train climbing? ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tdf2021-allez/944839/125 "2021-07-03T15:38:20Z")
Laps over freeway crossings, maybe? Actually it’s not really a “skill” per se. Climbing steep hills is just being able to sustain higher watts/kg, which you can train for without ever doing any climbing. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tdf2021-allez/944839/126 "2021-07-03T15:40:22Z")
Well, physically you can develop enough strength without really climbing mountains, but I think you only learn the tactics of climbing, for instance choosing the right moment for attacks, by actually doing it. ETA: and then there’s downhill riding, which really can’t be simulated and only learned on the road. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tdf2021-allez/944839/127 "2021-07-03T15:40:30Z")
Netherland is so small, whenever they go for a long bike ride they end up in another country. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Gorsnak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gorsnak/32/7587_2.png) [@Gorsnak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorsnak)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tdf2021-allez/944839/128 "2021-07-03T15:50:40Z")
Gruppetto demonstrates some stellar pacing skills by coming over the line at 2’ before the time cut. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tdf2021-allez/944839/129 "2021-07-03T15:50:59Z")
Lampe Rouge: GT and PR. ---
**Author:** ![Drsunflower1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drsunflower1/32/12711_2.png) [@Drsunflower1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drsunflower1)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tdf2021-allez/944839/130 "2021-07-03T16:03:58Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Netherland is so small, whenever they go for a long bike ride they end up in another country. 😆 Fellow countryman I presume? 😜 True, they practice abroad and on the VAMberg, a compost heap that is being used for practice. In Leiden we have De Bult (the bump) which is also basically a trash heap but the cycling community practices there. There was a Dutch cyclist, Thijs Zonneveld, who advocate the building of a Dutch Mountain for cycling practice. ---
**Author:** ![Drsunflower1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drsunflower1/32/12711_2.png) [@Drsunflower1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drsunflower1)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tdf2021-allez/944839/131 "2021-07-03T16:04:46Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Lampe Rouge: GT and PR. Honorable position. Look at Kenny van Hummel 😁 ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tdf2021-allez/944839/132 "2021-07-03T16:09:01Z")
> [@Drsunflower1](#): > > Fellow countryman I presume? 😜 I’ve got family members from Holland. Me, I was rooting for my homeboy Woods today. ---
**Author:** ![Drsunflower1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drsunflower1/32/12711_2.png) [@Drsunflower1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drsunflower1)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tdf2021-allez/944839/133 "2021-07-03T16:10:18Z")
Eh! I have relatives in Canada as well 😊 ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tdf2021-allez/944839/134 "2021-07-03T16:12:07Z")
> [@Drsunflower1](#): > > Look at Kenny van Hummel Today I learned: > **[‘Worst climber ever’ Kenny van Hummel hangs up his wheels | The Bike Comes First](http://www.thebikecomesfirst.com/worst-climber-ever-kenny-van-hummel-hangs-up-his-wheels/)** ---
**Author:** ![Drsunflower1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drsunflower1/32/12711_2.png) [@Drsunflower1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drsunflower1)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tdf2021-allez/944839/135 "2021-07-03T16:13:02Z")
> [@EinsteinsHund](#): > > Sidetrack: I’ve always wondered where Dutch climbers even learned and developed this special skill. Do they go to Germany, Belgium or France already in their youth to train climbing? Dutch children learn to ride a bike after learning to walk. EVERYONE cycles here. And riding against the ever-present wind is a good practice. ---
**Author:** ![Drsunflower1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drsunflower1/32/12711_2.png) [@Drsunflower1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drsunflower1)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tdf2021-allez/944839/136 "2021-07-03T16:16:24Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Today I learned: Same Tour as good old Johnny Hoogerland who ended up in the barbed wire. Those were the days 😁 Eta: Hoogerland was 2011. Still… ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tdf2021-allez/944839/137 "2021-07-03T16:19:16Z")
I remember when that happened. Nasty. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tdf2021-allez/944839/138 "2021-07-03T16:22:06Z")
> [@Drsunflower1](#): > > Dutch children learn to ride a bike after learning to walk. EVERYONE cycles here. And riding against the ever-present wind is a good practice. I know, I know, I’ve been many times to the Netherlands and having biked there. I don’t know what I hate more: riding against the wind in Holland or climbing the thousand mountains of my native [Sauerland](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauerland). ---
**Author:** ![Drsunflower1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drsunflower1/32/12711_2.png) [@Drsunflower1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drsunflower1)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tdf2021-allez/944839/139 "2021-07-03T16:22:56Z")
Yeah totally. He can be pretty nasty himself though. By rights, I must add ---
**Author:** ![Drsunflower1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drsunflower1/32/12711_2.png) [@Drsunflower1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drsunflower1)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2021, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tdf2021-allez/944839/140 "2021-07-03T16:25:21Z")
Sauerland!! My earliest memories on the campsite hail there. Meschede, Kessenhammer and Nassau. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tdf2021-allez/944839.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tdf2021-allez/944839.md?page=8)