# Teach me to appreciate Metal? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** music\ **Created:** [August 3, 2018, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teach-me-to-appreciate-metal/819076 "2018-08-03T22:13:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teach-me-to-appreciate-metal/819076/261 "2018-10-01T12:48:51Z")
Bo, you forgot to mention the only place (to my knowledge) where grindcore was hugely popular: Hungary! Also, [Agoraphobic Nosebleed - Altered States of America](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I12VlqIN2wc) And I actually like the production on Scum. šŸ™‚ Btw, NAF, check out Red Harvest for industrial metal. New World Rage Music, New Rage World Music, Cold Dark Matter and Sick Transit Gloria Mundi are all great albums. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teach-me-to-appreciate-metal/819076/262 "2018-10-01T13:30:01Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > Ditto [Orange Goblin](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e0-cPbGcQk), who are equally steeped in the 70s. That certainly seemed to encapsulate the 70s hard rock/protometal sound except it doesnā€™t seem to have very many guitar soloes, which is the best part of that sound. The rest of it is great if youā€™re into that, but to me itā€™s sort of like an otherwise great-looking person with a blank face (no eyes, mouth, etc.) ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teach-me-to-appreciate-metal/819076/263 "2018-10-01T13:37:41Z")
ā€œTeach me to appreciateā€ implies that, somehow, the reason you donā€™t like it is that you are musically deficient in some way, and someone needs to open your eyes to its greatness. Most people donā€™t like it because it is loud, cacophonous crap. That may be why the genreā€™s main followers are teenagers. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teach-me-to-appreciate-metal/819076/264 "2018-10-01T13:42:53Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > ā€œTeach me to appreciateā€ implies that, somehow, the reason you donā€™t like it is that you are musically deficient in some way, and someone needs to open your eyes to its greatness. > > Most people donā€™t like it because it is loud, cacophonous crap. That may be why the genreā€™s main followers are teenagers. Thank you for this post; itā€™s good to have an example of what ignorance sounds like in the thread, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teach-me-to-appreciate-metal/819076/265 "2018-10-01T13:46:17Z")
> [@Plumpudding](#): > > Bo, you forgot to mention the only place (to my knowledge) where grindcore was hugely popular: Hungary! Hungary and Germany, for sure. Czechoslovakia too. Not are why it resonates so much with Slavic countries, but it sure does. > [@Plumpudding](#): > > Also, [Agoraphobic Nosebleed - Altered States of America](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I12VlqIN2wc) Aye; a bit after I posted I realized I had left them off. [shrug] > [@Plumpudding](#): > > And I actually like the production on Scum. šŸ™‚ I think the engineers were doing the best they could back then. The style is just so different than anything else that came before, tho. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teach-me-to-appreciate-metal/819076/266 "2018-10-01T13:49:48Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Thank you for this post; itā€™s good to have an example of what ignorance sounds like in the thread, I guess. His OP was couched in language that indicated that he might be laboring under the impression that he was somehow deficient for not liking the genre. I simply addressed that possibility and suggested an alternative explanation. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teach-me-to-appreciate-metal/819076/267 "2018-10-01T14:47:48Z")
:smack: I forgot to post the link to the grindcore movie, too. > **[Slave To The Grind - A Film About Grindcore](https://www.grindcorefilm.com)** > > Slave To The Grind is a feature film on the history of Grindcore. Itā€™s called _Slave To The Grind_ and itā€™s finished but not really in release. Right now to see it you have to find somewhere that itā€™s been booked, and bookings seem to be happening mostly at festivals and at theaters that have rented a screen out for a day or a week. Or you can book a showing yourself. Hopefully thereā€™s a DVD or BR release soon, tho: I really donā€™t want to have to book a showing here in Las Vegas myself in order to see it. [Slave To The Grind - Official Trailer (2018)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qf1pr_AuuA) [Slave To The Grind Sneak Peek: Repulsion And Blast Beats](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw1fF_fPJA4) [Slave To The Grind - Kickstarter Video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmmaKl3gsbw) [Slave To The Grind Documentary - Director Live Q&A| Metal Injection](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vku-Yy1mGGA) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teach-me-to-appreciate-metal/819076/268 "2018-10-01T16:26:33Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > ā€œTeach me to appreciateā€ implies that, somehow, the reason you donā€™t like it is that you are musically deficient in some way, and someone needs to open your eyes to its greatness. > > Most people donā€™t like it because it is loud, cacophonous crap. That may be why the genreā€™s main followers are teenagers. I said this before, but I was going for more of a ā€œmetal appreciation classā€ vibe like you might get (and I have taken) for classical or Jazz. Which is the vibe the thread does have. So, success on that front. ---
**Author:** ![Doubticus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e56c9b/32.png) [@Doubticus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doubticus)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teach-me-to-appreciate-metal/819076/269 "2018-10-01T16:54:21Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > His OP was couched in language that indicated that he might be laboring under the impression that he was somehow deficient for not liking the genre. I simply addressed that possibility and suggested an alternative explanation. When it comes to personal taste in music, I really donā€™t like Jazz. I find it meanders aimlessly and often seems like repetitive noise. As a genre, it has no appeal for me. That said, Jazz isnā€™t ā€œcrapā€. Jazz is one of the most difficult styles to master and it is no cool incidence that Jazz icons are thought to be some of the most accomplished musicians around. Jazz doesnā€™t speak to me and that is okay, could be I do not have the patience to try and understand it. Judging by NAF1138ā€™s responses, it doesnā€™t seem like he thinks Metal is ā€œloud, cacophonous crapā€. At this juncture that would seem more like trolling than offering an alternate explanation. ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teach-me-to-appreciate-metal/819076/270 "2018-10-01T17:50:27Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > ā€œTeach me to appreciateā€ implies that, somehow, the reason you donā€™t like it is that you are musically deficient in some way, and someone needs to open your eyes to its greatness. > > Most people donā€™t like it because it is loud, cacophonous crap. That may be why the genreā€™s main followers are teenagers. You know what, there are a bunch of people in here having a fun, informative discussion. If you donā€™t like the genre, fine, but donā€™t come in just to crap in the punchbowl. ---
**Author:** ![Plumpudding](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/edb3f5/32.png) [@Plumpudding](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Plumpudding)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teach-me-to-appreciate-metal/819076/271 "2018-10-01T18:35:04Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > ā€œTeach me to appreciateā€ implies that, somehow, the reason you donā€™t like it is that you are musically deficient in some way, and someone needs to open your eyes to its greatness. > > Most people donā€™t like it because it is loud, cacophonous crap. That may be why the genreā€™s main followers are teenagers. Interestingā€¦ Tell me more about something you obviously know nothing about. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teach-me-to-appreciate-metal/819076/272 "2018-10-01T21:36:31Z")
[Moderating] **Jasmine** , if you donā€™t like metal, then why are you in a thread about metal? ---
**Author:** ![HaroldDix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/76d3ee/32.png) [@HaroldDix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HaroldDix)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teach-me-to-appreciate-metal/819076/273 "2018-10-01T22:47:33Z")
Loud and cacophonous crap. Thatā€™s the point! If your delicate sensibilities donā€™t allow you to appreciate the music then sorry for your loss. Oh and by the way a music form that has existed for roughly 40 years isnā€™t soley the domain of ā€œTeenagersā€ Iā€™m 40 years old and still find new metal music that I enjoy and share with my children in their 20ā€™s. Please heap your half-assed scorn on me and mine because it makes me smile knowing that the same old uptight, window- licking, jackasses never go away. ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2018, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teach-me-to-appreciate-metal/819076/274 "2018-10-01T23:47:41Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Iā€™ve been kind of bouncing off several bands the last few days ā€¦ You know, Iā€™m amazed and Iā€™m laughing my guts out at the same time. I went back the whole thread just to be sure, and besides my off-hand, dismissive mention of them nobody said The Name. And I am in awe. Hereā€™s **NAFsomethingorother** , the guy Iā€™m kind of giving up on because he only likes them as play this metalheadā€™s ā€œdevil musicā€ instead of digging the likes of Blind Guardian. And heā€™s got all kinds of necrotic black doomcore of death bullshit lined up but still, among them (Iā€™m sure) gems, thereā€™s that yeast infection showing up. Youā€™ve seen it, youā€™ve cringed too.TESTIFY, BOYS ! **Manowar**. Now when I say yeast infection, donā€™t take it as a put down, even though it is - I mean that weā€™ve all got it somewhere around metal puberty, and itā€™s no shame, itā€™s just a larninā€™ experience. But I did mention them in the same breath as **Hammerfall** , and theyā€™re for real the American \*\*Hammerfall \*\*only maybe, perhaps, with a sense of humour. I legit do not know. To this day, I wonder whether Joey DiMaio is self-aware and \*\*Manowar \*\*is just a prolonged exercise in taking the piss, or whether ā€œmay your sword be wet like a young girl in her primeā€ is a lyric one can write in earnest. I do not know. I will never know. But fuck it. The gods _did_ make heavy metal ! Iā€™ll give 'em that ! ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teach-me-to-appreciate-metal/819076/275 "2018-10-02T01:21:01Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > You know, Iā€™m amazed and Iā€™m laughing my guts out at the same time. > > I went back the whole thread just to be sure, and besides my off-hand, dismissive mention of them nobody said The Name. And I am in awe. Hereā€™s **NAFsomethingorother** , the guy Iā€™m kind of giving up on because he only likes them as play this metalheadā€™s ā€œdevil musicā€ instead of digging the likes of Blind Guardian. And heā€™s got all kinds of necrotic black doomcore of death bullshit lined up but still, among them (Iā€™m sure) gems, thereā€™s that yeast infection showing up. Youā€™ve seen it, youā€™ve cringed too.TESTIFY, BOYS ! > **Manowar**. > > Now when I say yeast infection, donā€™t take it as a put down, even though it is - I mean that weā€™ve all got it somewhere around metal puberty, and itā€™s no shame, itā€™s just a larninā€™ experience. But I did mention them in the same breath as **Hammerfall** , and theyā€™re for real the American \*\*Hammerfall \*\*only maybe, perhaps, with a sense of humour. > I legit do not know. > To this day, I wonder whether Joey DiMaio is self-aware and \*\*Manowar \*\*is just a prolonged exercise in taking the piss, or whether ā€œmay your sword be wet like a young girl in her primeā€ is a lyric one can write in earnest. > I do not know. I will never know. But fuck it. The gods _did_ make heavy metal ! Iā€™ll give 'em that ! Iā€™m not going to pretend I understand any of this post, but I think there was a dig at me not liking Blind Guardian enough in there. I really enjoyed Nightfall on Middle Earth! The rest I guess Iā€™m not inside enough to get. Someday I will re read this and laugh Iā€™m sure? ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2018, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teach-me-to-appreciate-metal/819076/276 "2018-10-02T15:05:17Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Iā€™m not going to pretend I understand any of this post, but I think there was a dig at me not liking Blind Guardian enough in there. I really enjoyed Nightfall on Middle Earth! > > The rest I guess Iā€™m not inside enough to get. > > Someday I will re read this and laugh Iā€™m sure? Youā€™ll understand when you get to listening to **Manowar**. Theyā€™re horrible, but kind of in a fun way. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teach-me-to-appreciate-metal/819076/277 "2018-10-03T15:51:01Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > WARNING: > IF YOU ARE ANYWHERE OTHER THAN COMPLETELY ALONE, ALL OF THIS MUSIC & VIDEO SHOULD PROLLY BE CONSIDERED BLATANTLY DISGUSTING AND OFFENSIVE! > > SOMETIMES WORDS AND SENTIMENTS ARE CLEARLY ENUNCIATED THAT SHOULD PROLLY NOT BE BLASTED THROUGH A WORKPLACE OR, SAY, A CHILDRENā€™S PLAYGROUND! > > SOMETIMES VIOLENT AND/OR PORNOGRAPHIC IMAGERY MAY BE DISPLAYED! > > ## I DONā€™T WANT TO HAVE TO SPOILER THE ENTIRE POST OR BE BLAMED FOR THE POSSIBLY-DISAPPROVING LOOKS ON THE FACES OF PEOPLE NEAR YOU, EH! > > Early grindcore. Bands that still perform this style are now sometimes referred to as classic grindcore or old school grindcore. > > [Bolt Thrower - In Battle There Is No Law](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tncNvHZSGLk) - the whole 30 minute demo album > > [Napalm Death - Scum](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz6j57MIFvQ) - This is the whole 33 minute album. You can prolly hear the S.O.D. influence clear as day there, I know I can. > > With both of these albums, IMO the limitations of the studio equipment and the people behind the boards are both extremely detrimental to the presentation of this music; thank Og that live shows abounded and perceptive ears were everywhere. > > [Anal Cunt - Everyone Should Be Killed](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN39bvtMJ3s) - 58 tracks with an average length of about a minute; itā€™s a long and largely unvaried ride. The fact that there _are_ variations seems to somehow add to both the seriousness and the humor of the music, tho, IMO. > > [AssĆ¼ck - Anticapital](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CeHfz54LF8) - IMO the first political grind band; this album was a big deal. > > [Magrudergrind - Magrudergrind](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TquwNTcYvKc) - modern political grind, this is their 2009 album (all 23 minutes/17 songs of it) > > The band that IMO showed us all what that template made possible: > > [Cephalic Carnage - Exploiting Dysfunction](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uETMO8IYX8s) > > Then thereā€™s death grind: > > [Pig Destroyer - Gravedancer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At4uSDxkYBQ) - I should note that this band has grown and changed quite a bit since this song was recorded. For instance, they just added a bass player. > > [Benighted - Carnivore Sublime](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-r7BkOoQGI&list=PLArAJlC1y5594FF3jOkYjt9vQ_vWrv0IN) - playlist of the whole album by this French outfit is about 38 minutes. On this album you can hear some of the demon pig squeal vocals that are now a prominent part of grindcore (not presented as a historical example or anything, just noting that theyā€™re there; this is their 2014 album after all). > > You can immediately hear that the songs are much more complex than classic grind, as youā€™d expect from melding death metal with grindcore. > > Goregrind: > > [Exhumed - Anatomy Is Destiny](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12XEDXQIhc8&list=PLlUNJegBMJnVM39ypDkV6G3enIamVdvfw) > > [Gutslit - Amputheatre](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO3Z6Y_NOi0) - one of my 10 best listens from 2017, this band from India significantly upped the ante from their raw-but-fun debut. > > Death grind/pornogrind: > > [Grind Of The Dead - Pussy Jamz](https://grindofthedead.bandcamp.com/album/pussy-jamz) > > Pornogrind: > > [Rompeprop - Gargle Cummics](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYSAnzVDS4M) > > [Teen Pussy Fuckers - Just Some Pornstars](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjXHZVTADF0) - serious pig vocals here > [Teen Pussy Fuckers - Pigtails](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MInFCY4HjEE) > > [Vaginal Penetration Of An Amelus With A Musty Carrot - Eyeball Peeler](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXes6InEIg8&t=113s) - you can prolly see why this bandā€™s name is often abbreviated. Amazing pig and frog vocals tho. > [Vaginal Penetration Of An Amelus With A Musty Carrot - Embryoā€™s Orgasm](https://vimeo.com/66359970) - very not safe for work video; > > Note that lyrically pornogrind isnā€™t like watching porn set to grindcore. Itā€™s often misogynistc as hell, sometimes disturbingly so even when presented as ā€œjoke-yā€. > > Groovy grindcore kind of combines a lot of those influences but emphasizes having some kind of actual headbang-able parts. Lyrical content runs the gamut from smut to gore to scat and more. > > [Piggy - Porcogore](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhX7NkBBeBU&t=285s) (14 tracks, 27 minutes) - a fav from last year > > [Grindzilla - Toshinquandon](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze7dwzeilbY&t=708s) (15 songs, 32 minutes) - a fav from this year > > [Gutalax - Shit Happens](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOwkyZId1JU) - yes, every song is about feces; what else would you expect from a band named after a laxative? These guys put on [brilliant](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anh0Kn9nGV4) [live shows](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anh0Kn9nGV4) and are a favorite at OEF. > > And hereā€™s some more recent stuff just cause I like it: > > [Sewage Grinder - Solid Waste](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SY-gcCTA8NA) - 39 songs of crusty grindcore in 20 minutes > > [Brutal Sphincter - Analhu Akbar](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo7GkeZEe_s) - deceptively named band; this brilliant 16 song, 31 minute album is 100% political in focus > > [Sarugutuwa - Namakubi](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMZe2qIMzU8) - 12 songs, 35 minutes with some freaking amazing front-and-center snare drum work. > > [NAILS - Abandon All Life](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEnU7WlIpvA) - okay, kind of a powerviolence/noise/grindcore outfit, I admit but they are IMO one of the most vicious, brutal bands around today, reducing everything to an incredibly loud, violent series of outbursts that happen at insane speeds. I love all 10 songs and 17 minutes of this album. It was a classic to me as soon as I heard it. šŸ˜ƒ > > * * * > > Wow, on preview thatā€™s an off-putting shitload of music I just linked to. Sorry about that. ;)šŸ˜ƒ > > Take your time, eh. Soā€¦ Yeah, this was a lot. Fortunately most songs are short. It kind of went fromā€¦ OK this is weird but I understand what are doing to I understand what they are doing but not why someone would listen to this to what the fuck are they doing here to ok this is clearly self parody at this point. I will spend a little more time with a lot of it and try to come back with more detailed thoughts. Bolt Thrower and Napalm Death I fully understand. It isnā€™t my favorite but it makes sense (howā€™s that for progress!) Also, the death grind stuff is kinda cool. The band from India Gutslit? They were pretty cool. So was Benighted. I didnā€™t care for Pig Destroyer though. Anal Cunt also wereā€¦ I get it. Itā€™s not really fun to listen to though. But sure it makes sense as a piece of art. Then you get to a track like Embryos orgasm (even with just initials that band name is too long) andā€¦ The fuck? Itā€™s not even heavy anymore. And they clearly are not actually trying to articulate words. Itā€™s like dance pop punk with a lead singer who is an actual barnyard animal whichā€¦ Sure, I guess. Iā€™m not sure why, but whatever. Same with Grind of the Dead who I think must be a parody outfit. It makes no sense otherwise. Gutalax wraps all the way back around and becomes fun again because they go so full crazy weird that it closes the circle. Seeing the live show might have helped that. Iā€™m reminded that some people look for different things from music than I do. I was listening to liquid metal a week or so ago and the DJ said something like ā€œI love this next song. It sounds like that feeling you get a tenth of a second before you break your leg, when you know itā€™s going to break but you canā€™t do anything to stop it.ā€ Andā€¦ Sure. I donā€™t remember what played but yeah I get it feeling that way. Iā€™m just not sure I want my music to make me feel like that. Some people do. Heck mayne I do sometimes and donā€™t know it. Butā€¦ Yeah. I dig weird and experimental and noise, but this may have hit my outer boundary. Grindcore doesnā€™t Suck Sonic Youth Does might be my favorite song title ever though. So there is that. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teach-me-to-appreciate-metal/819076/278 "2018-10-03T21:18:20Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > Soā€¦ Yeah, this was a lot. Fortunately most songs are short. Aye; thatā€™s why I linked to whole albums rather than20 separate links for a bunch of 11 second songs or something. > [@NAF1138](#): > > It kind of went fromā€¦ OK this is weird but I understand what are doing to I understand what they are doing but not why someone would listen to this to what the fuck are they doing here to ok this is clearly self parody at this point. Yep. I tried to be upfront about that. šŸ™‚ > [@NAF1138](#): > > I will spend a little more time with a lot of it and try to come back with more detailed thoughts. Bolt Thrower and Napalm Death I fully understand. It isnā€™t my favorite but it makes sense (howā€™s that for progress!) Also, the death grind stuff is kinda cool. The band from India Gutslit? They were pretty cool. So was Benighted. I didnā€™t care for Pig Destroyer though. Anal Cunt also wereā€¦ I get it. Itā€™s not really fun to listen to though. But sure it makes sense as a piece of art. Glad you liked some and Iā€™m not surprised that theyā€™re among the least grind/most not-grindcore stuff. Glad you understand that AC was art. A lot of people _know_ it but canā€™t understand the art enough to make sense of it and dismiss them as _simply_ a long-running bad joke. Donā€™t get me wrong, I think they were a long-running bad joke, but they knew it and kept being a bad joke _on purpose_ because that was the point of the thing in the first place. > [@NAF1138](#): > > Then you get to a track like Embryos orgasm (even with just initials that band name is too long) andā€¦ The fuck? Itā€™s not even heavy anymore. And they clearly are not actually trying to articulate words. Itā€™s like dance pop punk with a lead singer who is an actual barnyard animal whichā€¦ Sure, I guess. Iā€™m not sure why, but whatever. See, this is part of where itā€™s hard to talk about the evolution of grindcore because some of the little nooks and crannies and dark corners have their own weird micro-evolution and frankly, Iā€™m still catching up with a lot of them. The weird cheap drum machine polka oompa beat with the pig & frog vocals is a totally separate branch that AFACT started with bands like Gigantic Brain and the whole electrogrind thing, which showed that you could use drum machines to make insanely fast drum tracks for grindcore. At some point within the next decade, I started hearing stuff from Czech, Germany, Hungary, Russia & Ukraine that sounded like TxPxFx and VxPxOxAxAxWxAxMxCx, etc. Now, itā€™s itā€™s own style (although the videos Iā€™ve seen do have a live drummer, just doing his/her best to sound like a cheap drum machine). Itā€™s not for everyone, thatā€™s for sure, but I dig it. The polka beat is fun, which contrasts with the often disgusting lyrics making it all even more fun. And sometimes itā€™s kinda horrifying how much fun it is because the lyrics are disgusting, which is straight up interesting to realize in a kind of moment-of-clarity moment eh. > [@NAF1138](#): > > Same with Grind of the Dead who I think must be a parody outfit. It makes no sense otherwise. Gutalax wraps all the way back around and becomes fun again because they go so full crazy weird that it closes the circle. Seeing the live show might have helped that. Aye. Theyā€™re not GG Allins; theyā€™re Tesco Vees. Some bands are kind of the Meatmen of heavy metal, ya know what Iā€™m sayinā€™? > [@NAF1138](#): > > Iā€™m reminded that some people look for different things from music than I do. I was listening to liquid metal a week or so ago and the DJ said something like ā€œI love this next song. It sounds like that feeling you get a tenth of a second before you break your leg, when you know itā€™s going to break but you canā€™t do anything to stop it.ā€ Andā€¦ Sure. I donā€™t remember what played but yeah I get it feeling that way. Iā€™m just not sure I want my music to make me feel like that. Some people do. Heck mayne I do sometimes and donā€™t know it. Butā€¦ Yeah. > > I dig weird and experimental and noise, but this may have hit my outer boundary. Grindcore _is_ the outer boundary. > [@NAF1138](#): > > Grindcore doesnā€™t Suck Sonic Youth Does might be my favorite song title ever though. So there is that. Oh man you ainā€™t seen nothing yet. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2018, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teach-me-to-appreciate-metal/819076/279 "2018-10-03T21:25:34Z")
Oh, here are the reviews I wrote for Gutslit on Allmusic: [Skewered In The Sewer](https://www.allmusic.com/album/skewered-in-the-sewer-mw0002552436/user-reviews): > [@](#): > > Goregrind lyrics, blast beat domination and frantic, frenetic, feral guitar workā€¦ whatā€™s not to like? > > Gutslit isnā€™t breaking any new ground, but they are mining Cannibal Corpse/Carcass territory with terrific results. The breaks to showcase one instrument for 1 or 2 seconds are awesome. Vocals are less Cookie Monster and more Pig Demon and theyā€™re fantastic. The kick drum in Hemorrhoidal Brain Custard is phenomenal. In fact, the material on the album gets better and better, closing with the two strongest songs in the set. > > India has a thriving and awesome metal scene; Gutslit is an excellent addition and this album totally rocks. [Amputheatre](https://www.allmusic.com/album/amputheatre-mw0003116762): > [@](#): > > 28 minutes of focused brutality > > Like their previous collection, this one begins with a tame introduction of about a minute, presumably to lull the listener into a false sense of comfort that there will be calm, quiet moments perhaps, buried within the aural maelstrom that will surely eruptā€¦ but no, there is no comfort, there is no calm, there is no safe harbor. > > This is grindgore combined with thrash and pop sensibilities, part of which I mean to say that the songs are long for grindcore even if they mostly fall shy of the 3:30 pop song ideal. The songs all have definite structures and repeated parts, but theyā€™re all so over-the-top fast and dissonant, thudding like a thousand stampeding hooves, that they fly right by, leaving me wanting to hear them again. The production is a step up from their last album, even, with everything crisp and clear. The kick drum is so clear and so fast that it reaches a bizarre drone-like quality at times. > > The guitar riffs are tasty. Excellent tone, plenty of scrape and crunch and just enough wiggly weirdness to turn a semi-ordinary riff into something extraordinary. > > The vocals are excellent, even better than their last album, with lots of variety in every song. > > And as if to prove a point, the album ends with a song more than 2 minutes longer than any other that destroys itself. > > It totally rocks! I really, really like _Amputheatre_. ---
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Iā€™ll agree grindcore is on the outer boundaryā€¦ Harsh-noise is beyond the boundary. Of course thereā€™s some overlap, but Iā€™ve seen and heard nothing more extreme than some deservedly (I love them though!) not very popular or well known harsh-noise groups. One of them was physically painful, not ear-wise, but in my neck, back and groin (very specifically directed blastbeatsā€¦). Itā€™s the only time Iā€™ve had pain peeing after a concert. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teach-me-to-appreciate-metal/819076.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teach-me-to-appreciate-metal/819076.md?page=15)