Bo, you forgot to mention the only place (to my knowledge) where grindcore was hugely popular: Hungary!
Also, Agoraphobic Nosebleed - Altered States of America
And I actually like the production on Scum. 
Btw, NAF, check out Red Harvest for industrial metal. New World Rage Music, New Rage World Music, Cold Dark Matter and Sick Transit Gloria Mundi are all great albums.
That certainly seemed to encapsulate the 70s hard rock/protometal sound except it doesn’t seem to have very many guitar soloes, which is the best part of that sound. The rest of it is great if you’re into that, but to me it’s sort of like an otherwise great-looking person with a blank face (no eyes, mouth, etc.)
“Teach me to appreciate” implies that, somehow, the reason you don’t like it is that you are musically deficient in some way, and someone needs to open your eyes to its greatness.
Most people don’t like it because it is loud, cacophonous crap. That may be why the genre’s main followers are teenagers.
Thank you for this post; it’s good to have an example of what ignorance sounds like in the thread, I guess.
Hungary and Germany, for sure. Czechoslovakia too. Not are why it resonates so much with Slavic countries, but it sure does.
Aye; a bit after I posted I realized I had left them off. [shrug]
I think the engineers were doing the best they could back then. The style is just so different than anything else that came before, tho.
His OP was couched in language that indicated that he might be laboring under the impression that he was somehow deficient for not liking the genre. I simply addressed that possibility and suggested an alternative explanation.
:smack:
I forgot to post the link to the grindcore movie, too.
It’s called Slave To The Grind and it’s finished but not really in release. Right now to see it you have to find somewhere that it’s been booked, and bookings seem to be happening mostly at festivals and at theaters that have rented a screen out for a day or a week. Or you can book a showing yourself. Hopefully there’s a DVD or BR release soon, tho: I really don’t want to have to book a showing here in Las Vegas myself in order to see it.
Slave To The Grind - Official Trailer (2018)
Slave To The Grind Sneak Peek: Repulsion And Blast Beats
Slave To The Grind - Kickstarter Video
Slave To The Grind Documentary - Director Live Q&A| Metal Injection
I said this before, but I was going for more of a “metal appreciation class” vibe like you might get (and I have taken) for classical or Jazz.
Which is the vibe the thread does have. So, success on that front.
When it comes to personal taste in music, I really don’t like Jazz. I find it meanders aimlessly and often seems like repetitive noise. As a genre, it has no appeal for me. That said, Jazz isn’t “crap”. Jazz is one of the most difficult styles to master and it is no cool incidence that Jazz icons are thought to be some of the most accomplished musicians around. Jazz doesn’t speak to me and that is okay, could be I do not have the patience to try and understand it.
Judging by NAF1138’s responses, it doesn’t seem like he thinks Metal is “loud, cacophonous crap”. At this juncture that would seem more like trolling than offering an alternate explanation.
You know what, there are a bunch of people in here having a fun, informative discussion. If you don’t like the genre, fine, but don’t come in just to crap in the punchbowl.
Interesting… Tell me more about something you obviously know nothing about.
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Jasmine, if you don’t like metal, then why are you in a thread about metal?
Loud and cacophonous crap. That’s the point! If your delicate sensibilities don’t allow you to appreciate the music then sorry for your loss. Oh and by the way a music form that has existed for roughly 40 years isn’t soley the domain of “Teenagers” I’m 40 years old and still find new metal music that I enjoy and share with my children in their 20’s. Please heap your half-assed scorn on me and mine because it makes me smile knowing that the same old uptight, window- licking, jackasses never go away.
You know, I’m amazed and I’m laughing my guts out at the same time.
I went back the whole thread just to be sure, and besides my off-hand, dismissive mention of them nobody said The Name. And I am in awe. Here’s NAFsomethingorother, the guy I’m kind of giving up on because he only likes them as play this metalhead’s “devil music” instead of digging the likes of Blind Guardian. And he’s got all kinds of necrotic black doomcore of death bullshit lined up but still, among them (I’m sure) gems, there’s that yeast infection showing up. You’ve seen it, you’ve cringed too.TESTIFY, BOYS !
Manowar.
Now when I say yeast infection, don’t take it as a put down, even though it is - I mean that we’ve all got it somewhere around metal puberty, and it’s no shame, it’s just a larnin’ experience. But I did mention them in the same breath as Hammerfall, and they’re for real the American **Hammerfall **only maybe, perhaps, with a sense of humour.
I legit do not know.
To this day, I wonder whether Joey DiMaio is self-aware and **Manowar **is just a prolonged exercise in taking the piss, or whether “may your sword be wet like a young girl in her prime” is a lyric one can write in earnest.
I do not know. I will never know. But fuck it. The gods did make heavy metal ! I’ll give 'em that !
I’m not going to pretend I understand any of this post, but I think there was a dig at me not liking Blind Guardian enough in there. I really enjoyed Nightfall on Middle Earth!
The rest I guess I’m not inside enough to get.
Someday I will re read this and laugh I’m sure?
You’ll understand when you get to listening to Manowar. They’re horrible, but kind of in a fun way.
So… Yeah, this was a lot. Fortunately most songs are short.
It kind of went from… OK this is weird but I understand what are doing to I understand what they are doing but not why someone would listen to this to what the fuck are they doing here to ok this is clearly self parody at this point.
I will spend a little more time with a lot of it and try to come back with more detailed thoughts. Bolt Thrower and Napalm Death I fully understand. It isn’t my favorite but it makes sense (how’s that for progress!) Also, the death grind stuff is kinda cool. The band from India Gutslit? They were pretty cool. So was Benighted. I didn’t care for Pig Destroyer though. Anal Cunt also were… I get it. It’s not really fun to listen to though. But sure it makes sense as a piece of art.
Then you get to a track like Embryos orgasm (even with just initials that band name is too long) and… The fuck? It’s not even heavy anymore. And they clearly are not actually trying to articulate words. It’s like dance pop punk with a lead singer who is an actual barnyard animal which… Sure, I guess. I’m not sure why, but whatever. Same with Grind of the Dead who I think must be a parody outfit. It makes no sense otherwise. Gutalax wraps all the way back around and becomes fun again because they go so full crazy weird that it closes the circle. Seeing the live show might have helped that.
I’m reminded that some people look for different things from music than I do. I was listening to liquid metal a week or so ago and the DJ said something like “I love this next song. It sounds like that feeling you get a tenth of a second before you break your leg, when you know it’s going to break but you can’t do anything to stop it.” And… Sure. I don’t remember what played but yeah I get it feeling that way. I’m just not sure I want my music to make me feel like that. Some people do. Heck mayne I do sometimes and don’t know it. But… Yeah.
I dig weird and experimental and noise, but this may have hit my outer boundary.
Grindcore doesn’t Suck Sonic Youth Does might be my favorite song title ever though. So there is that.
Aye; that’s why I linked to whole albums rather than20 separate links for a bunch of 11 second songs or something.
Yep. I tried to be upfront about that.
Glad you liked some and I’m not surprised that they’re among the least grind/most not-grindcore stuff.
Glad you understand that AC was art. A lot of people know it but can’t understand the art enough to make sense of it and dismiss them as simply a long-running bad joke. Don’t get me wrong, I think they were a long-running bad joke, but they knew it and kept being a bad joke on purpose because that was the point of the thing in the first place.
See, this is part of where it’s hard to talk about the evolution of grindcore because some of the little nooks and crannies and dark corners have their own weird micro-evolution and frankly, I’m still catching up with a lot of them.
The weird cheap drum machine polka oompa beat with the pig & frog vocals is a totally separate branch that AFACT started with bands like Gigantic Brain and the whole electrogrind thing, which showed that you could use drum machines to make insanely fast drum tracks for grindcore. At some point within the next decade, I started hearing stuff from Czech, Germany, Hungary, Russia & Ukraine that sounded like TxPxFx and VxPxOxAxAxWxAxMxCx, etc. Now, it’s it’s own style (although the videos I’ve seen do have a live drummer, just doing his/her best to sound like a cheap drum machine).
It’s not for everyone, that’s for sure, but I dig it. The polka beat is fun, which contrasts with the often disgusting lyrics making it all even more fun. And sometimes it’s kinda horrifying how much fun it is because the lyrics are disgusting, which is straight up interesting to realize in a kind of moment-of-clarity moment eh.
Aye. They’re not GG Allins; they’re Tesco Vees. Some bands are kind of the Meatmen of heavy metal, ya know what I’m sayin’?
Grindcore is the outer boundary.
Oh man you ain’t seen nothing yet. 
Oh, here are the reviews I wrote for Gutslit on Allmusic:
I really, really like Amputheatre.
I’ll agree grindcore is on the outer boundary… Harsh-noise is beyond the boundary. Of course there’s some overlap, but I’ve seen and heard nothing more extreme than some deservedly (I love them though!) not very popular or well known harsh-noise groups. One of them was physically painful, not ear-wise, but in my neck, back and groin (very specifically directed blastbeats…). It’s the only time I’ve had pain peeing after a concert.