# teacher kicks kids out for not speaking american? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 17, 2017, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104 "2017-10-17T03:56:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/21 "2017-10-17T16:15:12Z")
> [@Dogzilla](#): > > “I’d _ **of** _”? > > You do realize, of course, that “of” is not a goddamn verb? It’s a preposition. I would of makes no sense whatsoever, in any language. Please explain to me what action you think the word “of” describes. Take your time. I’ll wait. I don’t know why you’re arguing with me. Re-read my post. Take your time. I’ll wait. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/22 "2017-10-17T16:18:12Z")
> [@](#): > > They’re fighting for your right to speak American. Now there is a myth that you lot need to consider losing. Why the hell do Americans think that what their military does these days has anything to do with their own rights or freedoms? All the pathetic jingoistic flag waving might make a lick of sense if your soldiers were actually dying in defence of your country, but since they aren’t the rabid veneration of the troops just seems rather silly. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/23 "2017-10-17T16:18:50Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > I’d have probably gone with “I’d have” and let the reader internalize the “ha” if he/she so desires. It depends on how close you want the written word to hew with the spoken word. Sometimes, you want to make that dialectal distinction clear in writing, so go with “I’d’ve.” I usually would just write “I would have” (uncontracted), but sometimes I want to echo my actual way of speaking, or I want to make it more “folksy” or whatever, and then go with the “I’d’ve.” “I’d have” certainly does look prettier, and probably will generate the same effect in most cases, but, when I want to be 100% sure, I go with “I’d’ve.” ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/24 "2017-10-17T16:37:16Z")
_Almost 100 students walked out of school in protest on Monday, even though the principal warned that they would be disciplined, NBC New York reported. After someone pulled a fire alarm, all of the school’s 1,110 or so students walked out at about 11 a.m., the station reported._ Less than 100 students walked out, possibly in protest. After some asshole chose to pull a fire alarm, 1,000 students were forced to leave the building for their own safety. Whoever pulled the fire alarm should be arrested, and sent to jail. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/25 "2017-10-17T16:40:33Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > What I don’t understand is why the teacher didn’t have a problem with them speaking in class, just that they were doing it in not-American. My WAG is that she thought they were making fun of her. Based on the my understanding of an episode of Seinfeld, this is something that happens. Certainly bringing up the troops was moronic, and forgetting that the language we speak is actually called English is especially moronic for someone who purportedly teaches English, but you can’t tell a lot about any history of discipline issues from a 20 second video. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/26 "2017-10-17T18:19:36Z")
> [@Sandwich](#): > > In all fairness, there isn’t really a recognised way of writing the contraction for “I would have”. “I’d’ve” looks funny, though is closest to what we actually say? I can’t top what **pulykamell** said. And I have an extreme personal pet peeve with using _of_ following could/would/should in the written language. I can’t help but see it, and once I see it, nothing else written matters. And I’m pretty sure only native speakers make that mistake unless the person teaching a foreign language speaker English is wholly unqualified. And, to me, that makes it even worse, as a native speaker should know that would/should/could _of_ makes absolutely no fucking sense. No other grammatical or spelling _faux pas_ sets me off as greatly as this. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/27 "2017-10-17T18:23:42Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Less than 100 students walked out, possibly in protest. After some asshole chose to pull a fire alarm, 1,000 students were forced to leave the building for their own safety. Whoever pulled the fire alarm should be arrested, and sent to jail. Yes, because that is the best way to deal with 16 year olds, you ignorant, twisted, repeated-use, ignorant scumbag. Yes, I said ignorant twice, because once is never enough when describing you. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/28 "2017-10-17T18:51:34Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Yes, because that is the best way to deal with 16 year olds,. Hahahaha. You’re a hoot. Perhaps you would prefer that the asshole who chose to pull the fire alarm be made to pay the days salary for all of the firemen and police officers who responded to the false alarm? Plus the fuel costs for all of the responding emergency vehicles. And pay for any inconvenience suffered by actual victims who were forced to wait for emergency services because some asshole chose to create a false alarm. I hope no one died while waiting for fire truck or ambulance. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/29 "2017-10-17T18:57:00Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > The article is a little confusing – it doesn’t say when they were kicked out, just that they were reprimanded and that the teacher started ranting. According to another article, one of the students who were berated says she was kicked out when she stood up for herself to the teacher. > **[New Jersey students walk out after teacher tells Spanish-speaking student to...](https://abc7.com/amp/spanish-education-cliffside-park-high-school/2539228/)** > > About two dozen students walked out of their New Jersey high school Monday in protest after a teacher was caught on camera telling a student who was speaking Spanish to "speak American." > [@](#): > > After Pinales told the teacher she was appalled by her comments, she was kicked out of class. ---
**Author:** ![nightshadea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/7ba0ec/32.png) [@nightshadea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nightshadea)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/30 "2017-10-17T19:07:04Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hahahaha. You’re a hoot. Perhaps you would prefer that the asshole who chose to pull the fire alarm be made to pay the days salary for all of the firemen and police officers who responded to the false alarm? Plus the fuel costs for all of the responding emergency vehicles. And pay for any inconvenience suffered by actual victims who were forced to wait for emergency services because some asshole chose to create a false alarm. I hope no one died while waiting for fire truck or ambulance. YMMV. actually someone smart should of called the station and let them know not to come at all but as I said its joisy But I’m surprised 100 walked out from what I’ve heard the rest might of been to busy stealing cars to care … And sorry I usually try to use spell check but I had “I’m not doing anything useful” police on my case when I posted so I didn’t get a chance to ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/31 "2017-10-17T19:07:15Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hahahaha. You’re a hoot. Perhaps you would prefer that the asshole who chose to pull the fire alarm be made to pay the days salary for all of the firemen and police officers who responded to the false alarm? Plus the fuel costs for all of the responding emergency vehicles. And pay for any inconvenience suffered by actual victims who were forced to wait for emergency services because some asshole chose to create a false alarm. I hope no one died while waiting for fire truck or ambulance. YMMV. Did I say you are ignorant? Did I repeat it at least three times to really capture your ignorance? Damn, I failed. You do what has been done since the beginning of fire alarms in schools. You give them detentions. You don’t give them criminal records. Idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Dogzilla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@Dogzilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dogzilla)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/32 "2017-10-17T19:33:35Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > I can’t top what **pulykamell** said. And I have an extreme personal pet peeve with using _of_ following could/would/should in the written language. I can’t help but see it, and once I see it, nothing else written matters. And I’m pretty sure only native speakers make that mistake unless the person teaching a foreign language speaker English is wholly unqualified. And, to me, that makes it even worse, as a native speaker should know that would/should/could _of_ makes absolutely no fucking sense. No other grammatical or spelling _faux pas_ sets me off as greatly as this. Same. Like I said above, which **pulykamell** doesn’t seem to understand, I don’t care about which contraction one uses. The point is, “of” is a preposition. “Have” is the verb all y’all are looking for. Verbs describe action; that’s why they’re called action words. “Of” is not a goddamned verb. People. Please stop with could of, should of, would of. You’re killing me and at least one other Doper. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/33 "2017-10-17T19:44:15Z")
> [@Dogzilla](#): > > Same. Like I said above, which **pulykamell** doesn’t seem to understand, I don’t care about which contraction one uses. The point is, “of” is a preposition. “Have” is the verb all y’all are looking for. Verbs describe action; that’s why they’re called action words. “Of” is not a goddamned verb. > > People. Please stop with could of, should of, would of. You’re killing me and at least one other Doper. TWO! other Dopers. I cringe every time I see or hear this piece of ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/34 "2017-10-17T19:45:59Z")
I like to use “could’a,” “would’a,” and “should’a” myself. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/35 "2017-10-17T19:48:15Z")
> [@Dogzilla](#): > > Same. Like I said above, which **pulykamell** doesn’t seem to understand, I don’t care about which contraction one uses. I could’f sworn you’d care at least a little bit! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/36 "2017-10-17T20:23:11Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > It depends on how close you want the written word to hew with the spoken word. Sometimes, you want to make that dialectal distinction clear in writing, so go with “I’d’ve.” I usually would just write “I would have” (uncontracted), but sometimes I want to echo my actual way of speaking, or I want to make it more “folksy” or whatever, and then go with the “I’d’ve.” “I’d have” certainly does look prettier, and probably will generate the same effect in most cases, but, when I want to be 100% sure, I go with “I’d’ve.” Makes sense, but even dialectically I doubt that I could tell whether a person who just spoke said “I’d’ve” or “I’d have”, unless they heavily emphasized the “have”. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctor_jackson/32/32_2.png) [@Doctor\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctor_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/37 "2017-10-17T20:36:52Z")
[QUOTE=Dogzilla;20544939Take your time. I’ll wait.[/QUOTE] > [@pulykamell](#): > > Take your time. I’ll wait. Screw both of you. This is 'Merka, where we revere diarrhea 'cause we don’t wait on shit. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/38 "2017-10-17T20:39:11Z")
> [@Dogzilla](#): > > Same. Like I said above, which **pulykamell** doesn’t seem to understand, I don’t care about which contraction one uses. The point is, “of” is a preposition. “Have” is the verb all y’all are looking for. Verbs describe action; that’s why they’re called action words. “Of” is not a goddamned verb. > > People. Please stop with could of, should of, would of. You’re killing me and at least one other Doper. It makes me cringe, too. I don’t understand how you are reading what I wrote as contrary. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/39 "2017-10-17T20:45:29Z")
OK, let me be even clearer, **Dogzilla**. “I’d of” and “would of” are both _unambiguously_ grammatically incorrect. I have absolutely no clue how you are reading any sort of disagreement into what I wrote. Why are you being ornery about me not “understanding”? I fucking **agree** with you! ---
**Author:** ![Balance](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ccd318/32.png) [@Balance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balance)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/40 "2017-10-17T20:53:52Z")
> [@Sandwich](#): > > In all fairness, there isn’t really a recognised way of writing the contraction for “I would have”. I would’ve said that there is a recognized way to form that contraction. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104.md?page=3)