# teacher kicks kids out for not speaking american? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 17, 2017, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104 "2017-10-17T03:56:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Mr\_Shine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mr_shine/32/464_2.png) [@Mr\_Shine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr_Shine)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/41 "2017-10-17T21:27:03Z")
> [@nightshadea](#): > > actually someone smart should of Seriously, half this thread is a hijack about how stupid the “could/would/should of” construction is and you immediately dump this turd with the first 5 words of your very next post? This, in addition to the complete lack of effort about every part of the writing in the entire post? ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/42 "2017-10-17T22:59:51Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > _Almost 100 students walked out of school in protest on Monday, …_ > > Less than 100 students walked out, possibly in protest. … Possibly. Right. Dumbfuck. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/43 "2017-10-17T23:13:31Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > You do what has been done since the beginning of fire alarms in schools. You give them detentions. You don’t give them criminal records. > > Idiot. He’s got a point, you know. Emergency personnel in NJ have more important things to deal with, like keeping everyone off the beach so the governor’s Labor Day picnic can carry on. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/44 "2017-10-17T23:23:19Z")
> [@Mr\_Shine](#): > > Seriously, half this thread is a hijack about how stupid the “could/would/should of” construction is and you immediately dump this turd with the first 5 words of your very next post? This, in addition to the complete lack of effort about every part of the writing in the entire post? Oh, fucking let it go. If it were me, I’d have (See what I did there? ;)) written “should of” just cause I knew it would piss you off. I do sometimes anyway, in an effort to be casual… I don’t give a shit if you or anyone else complains. Lighten up, Francis. Damn pedants and prescriptivists. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/45 "2017-10-17T23:28:32Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > Oh, fucking let it go. If it were me, I’d have (See what I did there? ;)) written “should of” just cause I knew it would piss you off. I do sometimes anyway, in an effort to be casual… I don’t give a shit if you or anyone else complains. Lighten up, Francis. Damn pedants and prescriptivists. See, as a general descriptivist, I think we could just avoid the argument by writing “should’ve,” which has the same pronunciation and everything, with the advantage of being completely unobjectionable to the prescriptivists. I admit, the “should of” thing does irk me a bit, but it’s a common error based on the fact that “should’ve” sounds identical to “should of” (at least in my dialect it does.) That’s why I generally call it an error of orthography, though it also ends up being a grammar error when written out that way. Spoken, there’s no error of grammar, so it’s primarily a spoken-to-written word type of error. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/46 "2017-10-17T23:37:36Z")
And sometimes people know better, but use “should of” ironically for effect. I’m not saying this is **niteshadea’s** case. I believe he has shared on these boards that he has a learning disability. But people need to come down from their high horses. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/47 "2017-10-17T23:51:46Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > And sometimes people know better, but use “should of” ironically for effect. I’m not saying this is **niteshadea’s** case. I believe he has shared on these boards that he has a learning disability. But people need to come down from their high horses. Yes, it’s something I’ve learned to accept and not bother pointing out. I see it all the time even with my smartest friends. I sometimes feel I’m the only person left who spells it with the _'ve_. But, in the end, it’s a minor spelling (cum grammar) error. Even I fuck up “it’s” and “its” sometimes, even though I damn well know which is which. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2017, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/48 "2017-10-17T23:59:06Z")
I blame my phone. 😃 Sometimes it has its own ideas about what I intend to say. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/49 "2017-10-18T00:16:52Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > Hahahaha. You’re a hoot. Perhaps you would prefer that the asshole who chose to pull the fire alarm be made to pay the days salary for all of the firemen and police officers who responded to the false alarm? Plus the fuel costs for all of the responding emergency vehicles. And pay for any inconvenience suffered by actual victims who were forced to wait for emergency services because some asshole chose to create a false alarm. I hope no one died while waiting for fire truck or ambulance. YMMV. You are a special kind of idiot, you know that? _Special._ No fire trucks rolled. No emergency vehicles scrambled. No cops suddenly went balls-out to the school. Nada. Classes were disrupted for less than 20 minutes. Much less if the school was built or refurbished since 2000. Nobody rolls on a school fire alarm unless the administration calls them. SOP is to dispatch a custodian or security officer to the pulled alarm location. If no conflagration is seen, the alarm is cancelled and everybody goes back to class. The fire department doesn’t even notice. So shut the fuck up and go pound sand, you waste of resources. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/50 "2017-10-18T00:50:29Z")
its/it’s your/you’re there/their/they’re I’ll notice these, but they don’t bother me much. But could/would/should of is like a spark to really dry kindling. I don’t care one’s reason for using it. Once it is there, the entire post is dead. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/51 "2017-10-18T18:47:01Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > You do what has been done since the beginning of fire alarms in schools. You give them detentions. You don’t give them criminal records. (post shortened) It seems that New Jersey law frowns on people who pull fire alarms. _Section 2C:33-3 False public alarms. a. Except as provided in subsection b. or c. of this section, a person is guilty of a crime of the third degree if he initiates or circulates a report or warning of an impending fire, explosion, bombing, crime, catastrophe or emergency knowing that the report or warning is false or baseless and that it is likely to cause evacuation of a building, place of assembly, or facility of public transport, or to cause public inconvenience or alarm. A person is guilty of a crime of the third degree if he knowingly causes such false alarm to be transmitted to or within any organization, official or volunteer, for dealing with emergencies involving danger to life or property._ > **[2023 New Jersey Revised Statutes :: Title 2C - The New Jersey Code of...](https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2013/title-2c/section-2c-33-3/)** > > Justia Free Databases of US Laws, Codes & Statutes _Section 2C:33-3.1 Penalties for juvenile violatin N.J.S.2C:33-3. 2. a. In the case of a juvenile adjudicated delinquent for a violation of N.J.S. 2C:33-3 the court shall suspend or postpone the juvenile’s right to operate a motor vehicle including a motorized bicycle for a period of six months, in addition to any other disposition ordered by the court under section 24 of P.L.1982, c.77 (C.2A:4A-43)._ > **[2009 New Jersey Code :: TITLE 2C - THE NEW JERSEY CODE OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE ::...](https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2009/title-2c/2c-33/2c-33-3-1/)** _Section 2C:33-3.2 Fines for violation of N.J.S.2C:33-3. 3.Any person who violates the provisions of N.J.S.2C:33-3 shall be liable for a civil penalty of not less than $2,000 or actual costs incurred by or resulting from the law enforcement and emergency services response to the false alarm, whichever is higher. Any monies collected pursuant to this section shall be made payable to the municipality or other entity providing the law enforcement or emergency services response to the false alarm._ > **[2023 New Jersey Revised Statutes :: Title 2C - The New Jersey Code of...](https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2013/title-2c/section-2c-33-3.2/)** > > Justia Free Databases of US Laws, Codes & Statutes _Section C.2A:4A-43 Disposition of delinquency cases_ (Lots of options including incarceration.) > **[2023 New Jersey Revised Statutes :: Title 2A - Administration of Civil and...](https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2009/title-2a/section-2a-4a/2a-4a-43/)** > > Justia Free Databases of US Laws, Codes & Statutes \*Section C.2A:4A-44 Incarceration – aggravating and mitigating factors d. (1) When the court determines that, based on the consideration of all the factors set forth in subsection a., the juvenile shall be incarcerated, unless it orders the incarceration pursuant to subsection c. of section 24 of P.L.1982, c.77 (C.2A:4A-43), it shall state on the record the reasons for imposing incarceration, including any findings with regard to these factors, and commit the juvenile to the custody of the Juvenile Justice Commission which shall provide for the juvenile’s placement in a suitable juvenile facility pursuant to the conditions set forth in this subsection and for terms not to exceed the maximum terms as provided herein for what would constitute the following crimes if committed by an adult: (e)Crime of the third degree 2 years\* > **[2023 New Jersey Revised Statutes :: Title 2A - Administration of Civil and...](https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2009/title-2a/2a-4a/2a-4a-44)** > > Justia Free Databases of US Laws, Codes & Statutes ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/52 "2017-10-18T18:52:49Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Possibly. Right. (post shortened) \*…This comment prompted three students to immediately walk out of the classroom. …The protest began with about 15 students outside the high school in between third and fourth periods, but soon after, students began to pour out of the school. …About an hour-and-a-half into the protest, the school’s fire alarm was triggered and the entire building was evacuated.\* [http://wgntv.com/2017/10/17/dozens-of-students-walk-out-of-new-jersey-high-school-protesting-teachers-speak-american-comments/](http://wgntv.com/2017/10/17/dozens-of-students-walk-out-of-new-jersey-high-school-protesting-teachers-speak-american-comments/) ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2017, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/53 "2017-10-18T18:58:54Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > …Classes were disrupted for less than 20 minutes. Much less if the school was built or refurbished since 2000. Nobody rolls on a school fire alarm unless the administration calls them. SOP is to dispatch a custodian or security officer to the pulled alarm location. If no conflagration is seen, the alarm is cancelled and everybody goes back to class. The fire department doesn’t even notice. (post shortened) You’ve proven that haters gotta hate. I guess it gives you something to do. Did you describe the SOP for California or New Jersey? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/54 "2017-10-19T00:05:55Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > You’ve proven that haters gotta hate. I guess it gives you something to do. > > Did you describe the SOP for California or New Jersey? Show me the reports of all the Emergency Services vehicles that were dispatched to the school or shut the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/55 "2017-10-19T00:58:17Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Show me the reports of all the Emergency Services vehicles that were dispatched to the school or shut the fuck up. Can I shorten this for you? > [@silenus](#): > > …shut the fuck up. It won’t work, but it makes me feel better. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/56 "2017-10-19T03:18:15Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Show me the reports of all the Emergency Services vehicles that were dispatched to the school _ **or** _ shut the fuck up. You misspelled _and_… ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/57 "2017-10-19T03:49:26Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > You’ve proven that haters gotta hate. I guess it gives you something to do. > > Did you describe the SOP for California or New Jersey? No need to get unhinged over this. ---
**Author:** ![SaneBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e68b1a/32.png) [@SaneBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SaneBill)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/58 "2017-10-19T16:17:55Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > when I want to be 100% sure, I go with “I’d’ve.” I’d’ven’t. ---
**Author:** ![BeeGee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b5a626/32.png) [@BeeGee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeeGee)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/59 "2017-10-19T17:54:22Z")
> [@D\_Odds](#): > > Did I say you are ignorant? Did I repeat it at least three times to really capture your ignorance? Damn, I failed. > > You do what has been done since the beginning of fire alarms in schools. You give them detentions. You don’t give them criminal records. > > Idiot. Well, you could follow New Jersey law which states that False Public Alarm is a felony offense. > **[What Happens if You Pull a Fire Alarm When There's No Emergency?](https://www.johnzarych.com/what-happens-if-you-pull-a-fire-alarm-when-theres-no-emergency/)** > > Pulling a false fire alarm isn't a harmless prank – it's a crime that can lead to prison time, financial penalties, and the creation of a criminal record. N.J.S.A. § 2C:33-3 makes pulling false alarms a felony offense, known in New Jersey as an... Strangely, I think that someone who commits a felony should have a criminal record. A juvenile criminal record which will be expunged once they finish up their 300 hours or so of public service whereby they pay back in labor the services that they STOLE from the community. As I learned when I taught school and one of my students called 911 instead of his mother when he was in trouble, you can tell emergency services it’s a false alarm from now to St. Swithen’s Day, but they will come out and investigate anyway. They are required to by law. Law. Do you understand that part? ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Wiggler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/red_wiggler/32/13190_2.png) [@Red\_Wiggler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Wiggler)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104/60 "2017-10-19T19:46:09Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (post shortened) > > It seems that New Jersey law frowns on people who pull fire alarms. > > _Section 2C:33-3 > False public alarms. > a. Except as provided in subsection b. or c. of this section, a person is guilty of a crime of the third degree if he initiates or circulates a report or warning of an impending fire, explosion, bombing, crime, catastrophe or emergency knowing that the report or warning is false or baseless and that it is likely to cause evacuation of a building, place of assembly, or facility of public transport, or to cause public inconvenience or alarm. A person is guilty of a crime of the third degree if he knowingly causes such false alarm to be transmitted to or within any organization, official or volunteer, for dealing with emergencies involving danger to life or property._ > > [Section 2C:33-3 - False public alarms. :: 2013 New Jersey Revised Statutes :: US Codes and Statutes :: US Law :: Justia](https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2013/title-2c/section-2c-33-3/) > _Section 2C:33-3.1 > Penalties for juvenile violatin N.J.S.2C:33-3. > 2. a. In the case of a juvenile adjudicated delinquent for a violation of N.J.S. 2C:33-3 the court shall suspend or postpone the juvenile’s right to operate a motor vehicle including a motorized bicycle for a period of six months, in addition to any other disposition ordered by the court under section 24 of P.L.1982, c.77 (C.2A:4A-43)._ > > [2C:33-3.1 - Penalties for juvenile violating N.J.S.2C:33-3 :: 2009 New Jersey Code :: US Codes and Statutes :: US Law :: Justia](https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2009/title-2c/2c-33/2c-33-3-1/) > _Section 2C:33-3.2 > Fines for violation of N.J.S.2C:33-3. > 3.Any person who violates the provisions of N.J.S.2C:33-3 shall be liable for a civil penalty of not less than $2,000 or actual costs incurred by or resulting from the law enforcement and emergency services response to the false alarm, whichever is higher. Any monies collected pursuant to this section shall be made payable to the municipality or other entity providing the law enforcement or emergency services response to the false alarm._ > > [Section 2C:33-3.2 - Fines for violation of N.J.S.2C:33-3. :: 2013 New Jersey Revised Statutes :: US Codes and Statutes :: US Law :: Justia](https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2013/title-2c/section-2c-33-3.2/) > _Section C.2A:4A-43 > Disposition of delinquency cases_ > (Lots of options including incarceration.) > > [2A:4A-43 - Disposition of delinquency cases :: 2009 New Jersey Code :: US Codes and Statutes :: US Law :: Justia](https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2009/title-2a/section-2a-4a/2a-4a-43/) > \*Section C.2A:4A-44 > Incarceration – aggravating and mitigating factors > d. (1) When the court determines that, based on the consideration of all the factors set forth in subsection a., the juvenile shall be incarcerated, unless it orders the incarceration pursuant to subsection c. of section 24 of P.L.1982, c.77 (C.2A:4A-43), it shall state on the record the reasons for imposing incarceration, including any findings with regard to these factors, and commit the juvenile to the custody of the Juvenile Justice Commission which shall provide for the juvenile’s placement in a suitable juvenile facility pursuant to the conditions set forth in this subsection and for terms not to exceed the maximum terms as provided herein for what would constitute the following crimes if committed by an adult: > > (e)Crime of the third degree 2 years\* > > [2A:4A-44 - Incarceration -- aggravating and mitigating factors :: 2009 New Jersey Code :: US Codes and Statutes :: US Law :: Justia](https://law.justia.com/codes/new-jersey/2009/title-2a/2a-4a/2a-4a-44) Assholes love their rules. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teacher-kicks-kids-out-for-not-speaking-american/799104.md?page=4)