# Teams that are allowed to keep their city names but are farthest away from that city? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [May 21, 2019, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teams-that-are-allowed-to-keep-their-city-names-but-are-farthest-away-from-that-city/834272 "2019-05-21T06:23:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teams-that-are-allowed-to-keep-their-city-names-but-are-farthest-away-from-that-city/834272/41 "2019-05-22T13:23:04Z")
[Moderating] Moving from CS to the Game Room. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teams-that-are-allowed-to-keep-their-city-names-but-are-farthest-away-from-that-city/834272/42 "2019-05-22T13:58:06Z")
> [@NDP](#): > > But does anybody even in Clark County ever refer to that area as “Paradise”? To the best of my knowledge, there’s no local group or organization mounting a publicity campaign reminding people that the Strip, airport, and UNLV are really in Paradise. Everybody considers it part of Las Vegas. No one calls it that in most contexts; there’s no point. Nonetheless, technically, it’s not Las Vegas. Almost none of the Strip is in Vegas; the line intersects the Strip at East Sahara, just south of the Stratosphere. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teams-that-are-allowed-to-keep-their-city-names-but-are-farthest-away-from-that-city/834272/43 "2019-05-22T14:05:01Z")
> [@digs](#): > > I was rolling my eyes about growing up in Milwaukee (which was pretty boring in the 50s/60s … it got better). Daughter’s fiance yelled “Are you KIDDING? You got to watch THE Milwaukee Braves and the Vince Lombardi/Bart Starr Packers!” He had a point… The Braves moving from Milwaukee to Atlanta was a really bad thing for baseball. There was really no good reason to do it; the franchise was successful in Milwaukee, and while attendance was declining in the 1960s it would have come back up. Had they not moved, Atlanta would unquestionably have gotten its own team, probably in 1969, and Bud Selig would not have had the opportunity to move a team to Milwaukee and we would have been spared that asshole. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teams-that-are-allowed-to-keep-their-city-names-but-are-farthest-away-from-that-city/834272/44 "2019-05-22T14:31:48Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > When they moved from Boston to Foxboro they wanted to change the name to the Bay State Patriots but the NFL rejected that. They settled on New England instead. Owner Billy Sullivan was so enraged by the palm-greasing demands of Boston pols that he took the city’s name off the team. Bob Kraft faced the same issue when trying to build the team’s new stadium along the Southeast Expressway. The Foxboro pols are happy, though. > [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Granted they’re eventually going to move closer to Tampa (Ybor City), but the Tampa Bay Rays play in St. Pete which is a handful of miles away from the city limits That plan, like so many others, has fallen through. The Rays now have nothing going on for relocation. > [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > New Orleans hornets/pelicans spent 2 seasons in OK city due to Hurricane Katrina . And the Saints played in San Antonio. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teams-that-are-allowed-to-keep-their-city-names-but-are-farthest-away-from-that-city/834272/45 "2019-05-22T14:53:59Z")
I believe the Chicago White Sox played some home games in Milwaukee post-Braves and pre-Brewers. ---
**Author:** ![DSYoungEsq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c6cbf5/32.png) [@DSYoungEsq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSYoungEsq)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teams-that-are-allowed-to-keep-their-city-names-but-are-farthest-away-from-that-city/834272/46 "2019-05-22T15:58:40Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > I’m not the OP, but I think these examples are just nitpickery. I mean, you can almost throw a stone from the Las Vegas Strip and hit the arena where the hockey team plays. When I read the OP, I was thinking we would get examples like he/she posted where a team was significantly outside of its named city, not just where a team built a stadium that was technically outside the city limits because that is where the best land could be found. The strip is in Paradise. Indeed, that’s the whole point to “Paradise.” See: [Paradise, Nevada - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise,_Nevada) ---
**Author:** ![LoneRhino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lonerhino/32/1311_2.png) [@LoneRhino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LoneRhino)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teams-that-are-allowed-to-keep-their-city-names-but-are-farthest-away-from-that-city/834272/47 "2019-05-22T16:57:42Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > That’s a good point. For a long time MLB maintained the fiction that the Minnesota Twins had nothing to do with the old Washington Senators, despite a curiously large number of 1960 Senators being 1961 Twins. It’s all nomenclature. I remember noticing this when I was a kid in the late 70’s. The teams that kept the same name when they moved (Dodgers, Giants, Braves, A’s) were considered a continued history. The teams that changed their names (Senators I & II, Browns, Pilots) were considered different franchises. I don’t know if this was official or not. ---
**Author:** ![Hermitian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hermitian/32/470_2.png) [@Hermitian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hermitian)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teams-that-are-allowed-to-keep-their-city-names-but-are-farthest-away-from-that-city/834272/48 "2019-05-22T17:07:01Z")
> [@russian\_heel](#): > > I think the most blatant example are the San Francisco 49ers moving 50 miles south of San Francisco to a city right next to San Jose… Yea, but they want people to know where they are located. I guarantee you more than 50% of people on the East Coast could not tell you where San Jose is. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teams-that-are-allowed-to-keep-their-city-names-but-are-farthest-away-from-that-city/834272/49 "2019-05-22T17:08:36Z")
Nor how to get there. ---
**Author:** ![zimaane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a3d4f5/32.png) [@zimaane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zimaane)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teams-that-are-allowed-to-keep-their-city-names-but-are-farthest-away-from-that-city/834272/50 "2019-05-22T17:13:17Z")
> [@](#): > > Washington Redskins (play in Landover, Maryland, 10 miles from D.C.) And the Redskins spring training facility is in Richmond VA, 100 miles south of downtown Washington. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teams-that-are-allowed-to-keep-their-city-names-but-are-farthest-away-from-that-city/834272/51 "2019-05-22T17:23:18Z")
> [@LoneRhino](#): > > I remember noticing this when I was a kid in the late 70’s. The teams that kept the same name when they moved (Dodgers, Giants, Braves, A’s) were considered a continued history. The teams that changed their names (Senators I & II, Browns, Pilots) were considered different franchises. I don’t know if this was official or not. Not official, as far as I can tell. The Twins franchise is, from what I can see, considered to be a continuation of the Senators Mk. I franchise (and, apparently, the Kansas City Blues prior to that); similarly, the Rangers are considered to be a continuation of the Senators Mk. II franchise, the Brewers are considered to be a continuation of the Seattle Pilots franchise, the Orioles a continuation of the St. Louis Browns franchise, and the Nationals a continuation of the Montreal Expos franchise. There have been a small number of examples when a team moved, and was considered, by its league, to be the start of a brand-new team, with no historical connection to its past in its old city / name; the most noteworthy example of this is when the Cleveland Browns moved to Baltimore, and became the Ravens – as part of the legal settlement between the NFL and the city, the expansion Browns are considered to “own” the historical records of the original franchise. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teams-that-are-allowed-to-keep-their-city-names-but-are-farthest-away-from-that-city/834272/52 "2019-05-22T18:30:39Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Nor how to get there. Golf clap. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teams-that-are-allowed-to-keep-their-city-names-but-are-farthest-away-from-that-city/834272/53 "2019-05-22T19:23:16Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Nor how to get there. Dionne Warwick might have the directions by now. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teams-that-are-allowed-to-keep-their-city-names-but-are-farthest-away-from-that-city/834272/54 "2019-05-22T20:51:47Z")
> [@DSYoungEsq](#): > > The strip is in Paradise. Indeed, that’s the whole point to “Paradise.” > > See: [Paradise, Nevada - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise,_Nevada) I guess that is my point. I did not know that. So, keeping with the nitpickery, if someone asks where I went on vacation, and I say Las Vegas, should I really say Paradise? If I went to DisneyWorld, should a person be chided for saying that they were in Orlando and be told that they were really in Lake Buena Vista, FL or most of the time in Bay Lake, FL? It is customary for close suburbs to nonetheless be considered part of the larger city that they are near. ---
**Author:** ![Reindeer\_Flotilla](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reindeer_flotilla/32/3024_2.png) [@Reindeer\_Flotilla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reindeer_Flotilla)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teams-that-are-allowed-to-keep-their-city-names-but-are-farthest-away-from-that-city/834272/55 "2019-05-22T21:13:31Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > Nor how to get there. This made my day, thanks! ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teams-that-are-allowed-to-keep-their-city-names-but-are-farthest-away-from-that-city/834272/56 "2019-05-22T22:30:29Z")
CGB Grey Video on Las Vegas: [Las Vegas isn't Las Vegas - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naDCCW5TSpU) (His video on the City of London is great too [The Secret City inside of London Revealed - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrObZ_HZZUc) and [London's Secret Mayor who runs The Secret City - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1ROpIKZe-c)) Brian ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teams-that-are-allowed-to-keep-their-city-names-but-are-farthest-away-from-that-city/834272/57 "2019-05-22T22:53:00Z")
In 1877 the National League’s Hartford Club played all its home games in Brooklyn, while keeping the name “Hartford” or “the Hartfords.” Modern sources often label the 1876 team the “Hartford Dark Blues” and the 1877 team the “Brooklyn Hartfords,” But that doesn’t really reflect how club names worked back then. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teams-that-are-allowed-to-keep-their-city-names-but-are-farthest-away-from-that-city/834272/58 "2019-05-22T23:04:28Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > I’m pretty certain that the officially-sanctioned fiction of franchise history being left behind when a team moves started with the Browns-Ravens change/move. When the St. Louis Browns moved to Baltimore, the new owners left all the Brownie history. No more George Sisler hitting .424. No more Pete Grey, the one-armed outfielder. No more Eddie Gaedel, the 3’6" pinch-hitter (once.) The Browns history is kept alive by the Cardinals. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2019, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teams-that-are-allowed-to-keep-their-city-names-but-are-farthest-away-from-that-city/834272/59 "2019-05-22T23:35:30Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > There have been a small number of examples when a team moved, and was considered, by its league, to be the start of a brand-new team, with no historical connection to its past in its old city / name; the most noteworthy example of this is when the Cleveland Browns moved to Baltimore, and became the Ravens – as part of the legal settlement between the NFL and the city, the expansion Browns are considered to “own” the historical records of the original franchise. Wasn’t that also the case when the Houston Oilers became the Tennessee Titans? ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2019, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teams-that-are-allowed-to-keep-their-city-names-but-are-farthest-away-from-that-city/834272/60 "2019-05-23T04:35:48Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Wasn’t that also the case when the Houston Oilers became the Tennessee Titans? No, the Oilers are part of the Titans’ history, and the NFL retired the “Oilers” nickname, thereby preventing the expansion Houston Texans from naming themselves the Oilers. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teams-that-are-allowed-to-keep-their-city-names-but-are-farthest-away-from-that-city/834272.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teams-that-are-allowed-to-keep-their-city-names-but-are-farthest-away-from-that-city/834272.md?page=4)