# Teaser for Pixar's Brave **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 28, 2011, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teaser-for-pixars-brave/587205 "2011-06-28T23:44:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2011, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teaser-for-pixars-brave/587205/61 "2011-06-29T23:11:44Z")
Looks…fine to me? The art style isn’t something I’m necessarily thrilled about, but I see nothing of the incongruity everyone’s shouting about. There’s way too little in the teaser to draw any sweeping claims about the movie except maybe the graphics, and those look perfectly good. I imagine the movie will have a lot of beautiful sweeping vistas. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teaser-for-pixars-brave/587205/62 "2011-06-30T00:18:48Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > Why do you think so many of us are into anime? > > Hint: adult stories don’t get told by American animation. Ralph Bakshi tried to do it; his stuff was hit and miss but his visuals were amazing and he at least made the attempt. But there haven’t really been any others to speak of. I think this is bullshit and wish it would change. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teaser-for-pixars-brave/587205/63 "2011-06-30T00:22:37Z")
> [@Sir\_T-Cups](#): > > Seems darker than most Pixar flicks. Wonder if that holds up Hey, it worked for Jim Carrey when he made _Cable Guy_. Didn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teaser-for-pixars-brave/587205/64 "2011-06-30T00:32:56Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > Hint: adult stories don’t get told by American animation. This isn’t true on the level I think you mean, and it isn’t true on the literal level either. Just because something is appropriate for children doesn’t make it a children’s story. That said, there have been many…inappropriate for children movies made by American studios. Not recently, true, but that has more to do with the rising cost of doing business and the general floppiness of said movies than desire to make them. ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teaser-for-pixars-brave/587205/65 "2011-06-30T00:39:18Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > Ralph Bakshi tried to do it; his stuff was hit and miss but his visuals were amazing and he at least made the attempt. But there haven’t really been any others to speak of. How about Richard Linklater? _Waking Life_ and _A Scanner Darkly_? As others have said, in the US animation has always been considered a children’s movie art form and it’s going to be difficult to convince a movie studio to produce a big-budget movie for adults using animation. ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teaser-for-pixars-brave/587205/66 "2011-06-30T00:42:12Z")
> [@NAF1138](#): > > That said, there have been many…inappropriate for children movies made by American studios. Was that supposed to say “inappropriate _animated_ for children movies”? ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teaser-for-pixars-brave/587205/67 "2011-06-30T00:43:42Z")
Yeah, good point. Although those films were really live-action overlaid with animation, and not true animation like what Pixar does, they at least attempted to use a different visual medium. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teaser-for-pixars-brave/587205/68 "2011-06-30T00:56:31Z")
> [@Arnold\_Winkelried](#): > > Was that supposed to say “inappropriate _animated_ for children movies”? Sorry, animated movies that are inappropriate for children is what I meant. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teaser-for-pixars-brave/587205/69 "2011-06-30T04:01:18Z")
> [@Stoid](#): > > Oh my God, if they have decided to save their first genuinely sucky film for the first film to feature a female protagonist, I’m going to have such a fit… Come on, let’s be reasonable. Pixar doesn’t _make_ “genuinely sucky movies.” Even their worst movie is better than the majority of animated (CGI or otherwise) crap that comes out of the studios. You might not like a particular Pixar film, but to call any of them “genuinely sucky” is a little extreme–even, given their previous track record, one that hasn’t been released yet and we’ve only seen a teaser trailer for. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teaser-for-pixars-brave/587205/70 "2011-06-30T04:09:18Z")
So, can John Ratzenberger fake a Scottish accent? ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teaser-for-pixars-brave/587205/71 "2011-06-30T11:16:31Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > So, can John Ratzenberger fake a Scottish accent? Don’t know why not. He’s been faking an American accent for years. Maybe they’ll have him do all the Bear’s lines. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teaser-for-pixars-brave/587205/72 "2011-06-30T14:00:24Z")
Argent Towers: > [@](#): > > Ralph Bakshi tried to do it; his stuff was hit and miss but his visuals were amazing and he at least made the attempt. But there haven’t really been any others to speak of. Trey Parker and Matt Stone? Matt Groening? ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teaser-for-pixars-brave/587205/73 "2011-06-30T14:41:39Z")
I’m talking about animated _feature films._ (Built from the ground up as such, not continuations of shows.) ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teaser-for-pixars-brave/587205/74 "2011-06-30T14:49:56Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > I’m talking about animated _feature films._ (Built from the ground up as such, not continuations of shows.) Again, there isn’t a huge market for that in the states. But that doesn’t mean that movies intended for adults haven’t been made. _Wall-E_ is a good example. Sure, it’s appropriate for kids, but I don’t know anyone under the age of 10 who would get through the first 15 minutes, let alone the first half hour. It’s an adult movie that happens to be rated G (or PG or whatever the rating is.) I would say that \*UP \*and \*Ratatouille \*are also both movies that, while appropriate for children, are really best appreciated by adults. Moving away from Pixar, _Iron Giant_ is very much an adult movie, though again one appropriate for children. But you aren’t going to get _Iron Giant_ until childhood has passed you by. This stuff exists. No, it’s not all _Heavy Metal_ and _Fritz the Cat_, but honestly does it have to be? Bakshi bankrupted his studio trying to do _Lord of the Rings_, and that was when animated movies were a lot less expensive than they are now. No one is going to bankroll something they don’t think there is an audience for, and frankly most of those “adults only” animated films were huge flops. Remember _Bebe’s Kids_? _Cool World_? _Prince of Egypt_ wasn’t even adults only and it didn’t do well. At the end of the day making movies is still a business and animated ones are very expensive so the risk is high. You don’t get a lot of indie animation studios anymore. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Hamster\_King](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8edcca/32.png) [@The\_Hamster\_King](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Hamster_King)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teaser-for-pixars-brave/587205/75 "2011-06-30T15:42:16Z")
> [@Argent\_Towers](#): > > I’m talking about animated _feature films._ (Built from the ground up as such, not continuations of shows.) Oh … like _Avatar_. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teaser-for-pixars-brave/587205/76 "2011-06-30T17:02:26Z")
> [@Infovore](#): > > Come on, let’s be reasonable. Pixar doesn’t _make_ “genuinely sucky movies.” Even their worst movie is better than the majority of animated (CGI or otherwise) crap that comes out of the studios. You might not like a particular Pixar film, but to call any of them “genuinely sucky” is a little extreme–even, given their previous track record, one that hasn’t been released yet and we’ve only seen a teaser trailer for. I know, that’s why I said “genuinely”. The first few posts in this thread were very weirdly hostile to Pixar, which I agree is one of the most, if not THE most consistently excellent group of filmakers in the business. So I was differentiating _genuine_ suckitude from the odd-out opinions that were being shared in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![PlainJain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/5daacb/32.png) [@PlainJain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PlainJain)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teaser-for-pixars-brave/587205/77 "2011-06-30T21:04:42Z")
> [@Baal\_Houtham](#): > > That --combined with the cliche “flying over the cliff” camera shot-- doesn’t make me feel good about the film. I love Pixar and am looking forward to this movie. Not crazy about the way her face was rendered but I’m sure you won’t notice it after ten minutes or so but please, please, PLEASE no more “camera flying over the cliff” shots. Ever. ---
**Author:** ![Argent\_Towers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e8c25b/32.png) [@Argent\_Towers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Argent_Towers)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teaser-for-pixars-brave/587205/78 "2011-06-30T21:27:34Z")
> [@PlainJain](#): > > I love Pixar and am looking forward to this movie. Not crazy about the way her face was rendered but I’m sure you won’t notice it after ten minutes or so but please, please, PLEASE no more “camera flying over the cliff” shots. Ever. Without the camera flying over the cliff shot, thousands of eagles will be put out of business. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teaser-for-pixars-brave/587205/79 "2011-06-30T21:37:58Z")
Seems to me that when you’ve got really pretty landscapes, as they do here, you want to show them off. And the camera flying off the cliff is a tried-and-true method for showing off pretty landscapes. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2011, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teaser-for-pixars-brave/587205/80 "2011-06-30T23:50:00Z")
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