# Technically what type of warfare would this be (Biological-Chemical-Conventional)?

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**Created:** [November 21, 2003, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technically-what-type-of-warfare-would-this-be-biological-chemical-conventional/214586 "2003-11-21T22:48:24Z")\
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**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2003, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technically-what-type-of-warfare-would-this-be-biological-chemical-conventional/214586/1 "2003-11-21T22:48:24Z")

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Spraying the enemy with a substance which will attract large preditors to come to them and eat them.

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**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2003, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technically-what-type-of-warfare-would-this-be-biological-chemical-conventional/214586/2 "2003-11-21T22:54:18Z")

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I’d guess since the actual killing agent is biological, then it would be biological warfare. You could also call it biochemical warfare, too, I imagine.

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**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\
**Post date:** [November 21, 2003, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technically-what-type-of-warfare-would-this-be-biological-chemical-conventional/214586/3 "2003-11-21T22:54:33Z")

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Biological, because most large preditors are not particularly interested in eating either chemicals or bullets.

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**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\
**Post date:** [November 22, 2003, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technically-what-type-of-warfare-would-this-be-biological-chemical-conventional/214586/4 "2003-11-22T12:44:19Z")

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> Biological, because most large preditors are not particularly interested in eating either chemicals or bullets.

So it can be considered biological warfare though you didn’t use anything biological, just took advantage of the natural surroundings?

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**Author:** ![Danimal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bb73d2/32.png) [@Danimal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Danimal)\
**Post date:** [November 22, 2003, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technically-what-type-of-warfare-would-this-be-biological-chemical-conventional/214586/5 "2003-11-22T14:21:27Z")

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I think it would be either chemical warfare or, as **Q.E.D.** says, biochemical warfare. Certainly if you sprayed them with a substance that caused their immune system to stop functioning so they could be attacked by microbes, it would be chemical warfare. So I don’t think it stops being at least partly chemical warfare when the substance causes them to be eaten by bears.

When the Russians strapped explosives to dogs and trained them to run under German vehicles in Stalingrad, 1942, was that conventional or biological?

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**Author:** ![Danimal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bb73d2/32.png) [@Danimal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Danimal)\
**Post date:** [November 22, 2003, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technically-what-type-of-warfare-would-this-be-biological-chemical-conventional/214586/6 "2003-11-22T14:37:26Z")

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One reason that you don’t hear as much about the Red Air Force as you do about the RAF and U.S. Eighth is that neither side on the Eastern Front was able to achieve such dominating air superiority in the East as America and Britain did in the West. The Eastern Front covered a far bigger area than the Western Front, and neither side had enough aircraft to control the air all along the line.

The Germans in the West would joke bitterly that they could recognize the three air forces flying overhead by their color: if they were silver, they were American, if they were green camouflage, they were British, and if they weren’t there at all, they were German! The Red Air Force was never able to achieve this kind of dominance on the Eastern front because of the large area they had to cover and because Russia put a higher priority on manufacturing the world’s best tanks than on manufacturing aircraft.

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**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\
**Post date:** [November 22, 2003, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technically-what-type-of-warfare-would-this-be-biological-chemical-conventional/214586/7 "2003-11-22T14:40:54Z")

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Although the animals doing to eating are obviously biological, it would depend on what the substance sprayed on them was. If it was an artificially produced pheramone(sp?) analog use to attract the unnamed animals then it would be chemical. If it was an organic compound used to make the enemy tasty such as whipped cream then its biological.

p.s. not to hijack or anything but which animals would you use. I vote for wolverines.

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**Author:** ![scr4](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/59ef9b/32.png) [@scr4](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scr4)\
**Post date:** [November 22, 2003, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technically-what-type-of-warfare-would-this-be-biological-chemical-conventional/214586/8 "2003-11-22T14:51:53Z")

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According to the [Chemical Weapons Convention](http://www.opcw.org/html/db/cwc/eng/cwc_frameset.html), a chemical weapon is defined as:

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> 1. “Chemical Weapons” means the following, together or separately:
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> (a) Toxic chemicals and their precursors, except where intended for purposes not prohibited under this Convention, as long as the types and quantities are consistent with such purposes;
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> (b) Munitions and devices, specifically designed to cause death or other harm through the toxic properties of those toxic chemicals specified in subparagraph (a), which would be released as a result of the employment of such munitions and devices;
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> © Any equipment specifically designed for use directly in connection with the employment of munitions and devices specified in subparagraph (b).
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> 1. “Toxic Chemical” means:
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> Any chemical which through its chemical action on life processes can cause death, temporary incapacitation or permanent harm to humans or animals. This includes all such chemicals, regardless of their origin or of their method of production, and regardless of whether they are produced in facilities, in munitions or elsewhere.

The OP’s weapon doesn’t seem to fit the definition of a “toxic chemical”.

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**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\
**Post date:** [November 22, 2003, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technically-what-type-of-warfare-would-this-be-biological-chemical-conventional/214586/9 "2003-11-22T15:12:15Z")

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> p.s. not to hijack or anything but which animals would you use. I vote for wolverines.

If you must know, polar bears.

The ‘stuff’ is basically something one might employ to trap one, just something that smells really tasty to a bear, and the scent os hard to get off and carries a long distance.

It doesn’t fit the def. above of chemical, anyone got one for biological?

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**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\
**Post date:** [November 22, 2003, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technically-what-type-of-warfare-would-this-be-biological-chemical-conventional/214586/10 "2003-11-22T15:56:36Z")

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I don’t think it can be strictly classified simply because nobody would seriously think of doing it. It might fall into chemical simply because everything is a chemical, therefore that spray is a chemical weapon. I think that’s the best classification, in fact: The weapon the aircraft (say) are spraying on the enemy is a chemical, not a fine mist of radioisotopes (nuclear) or a potent virus (biological).

As for the defintion of `Toxic chemical’: It has an effect on the bears’ life processes, which in turn have an effect on the victim’s life processes. 😉
