# Technology doesn't work that way - SamuelA's Pit Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 3, 2017, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420 "2017-12-03T00:52:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/521 "2018-01-04T21:59:24Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Your ignorance and your arrogance. > [@Colibri](#): > > Your posts. I mean… **SamuelA** , you realize anyone with an interest and an hour to burn can read your words, right? I don’t know you, I have nothing against you. You’re obviously not stupid. You just come across as, well, arrogant and ignorant. Those aren’t bad things _per se_. At least, not individually. Together they just get in each other’s way. Your arrogance will not allow you to acknowledge the areas in which you are ignorant, and your ignorance keeps you from being willing (or able) to recognize your arrogance. Again, that’s an opinion based on _your words_. You’re flailing right now, hammering on the ignore button and meeting insult with insult. I get that–I’ve literally known the BBQ Pit for over 17 years. But if you flame out, get yourself banned, have a meltdown, whatever…well, you’re going to miss out on a lot of collected knowledge. And you’re going to miss out on being able to include your considerable experience and knowledge into that pool. IOW, you can pull out of this tailspin. I’ve seen it. Ready to put me on ignore yet? Or are you interested in discussing it? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/522 "2018-01-04T22:03:59Z")
> [@andros](#): > > … > > Ready to put me on ignore yet? Or are you interested in discussing it? Many have tried. Many have failed. He already has all the answers. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/523 "2018-01-04T22:06:07Z")
:sigh: I know. I just drop in, yanno? And I see this big ol’ windmill, yanno? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/524 "2018-01-04T22:08:13Z")
> [@andros](#): > > :sigh: I know. > > I just drop in, yanno? And I see this big ol’ windmill, yanno? It’s not the size of your lance that matters-It’s how you tip it. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/525 "2018-01-04T22:13:48Z")
Isn’t big ol’ “Windmill” Yanno a sumo wrestler? ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/526 "2018-01-04T22:13:55Z")
> [@andros](#): > > I mean… > > **SamuelA** , you realize anyone with an interest and an hour to burn can read your words, right? I don’t know you, I have nothing against you. You’re obviously not stupid. You just come across as, well, arrogant and ignorant. > > Those aren’t bad things _per se_. At least, not individually. Together they just get in each other’s way. Your arrogance will not allow you to acknowledge the areas in which you are ignorant, and your ignorance keeps you from being willing (or able) to recognize your arrogance. > > Again, that’s an opinion based on _your words_. > > You’re flailing right now, hammering on the ignore button and meeting insult with insult. I get that–I’ve literally known the BBQ Pit for over 17 years. But if you flame out, get yourself banned, have a meltdown, whatever…well, you’re going to miss out on a lot of collected knowledge. And you’re going to miss out on being able to include your considerable experience and knowledge into that pool. > > IOW, you can pull out of this tailspin. I’ve seen it. > > Ready to put me on ignore yet? Or are you interested in discussing it? Of course I’m interested in discussion. I have not ignored a single poster who was willing to discuss. 100% of my ignores, they just were like “hurr durr you’re a moron, cuz I say so”. Tripler was willing to discuss, but then he ignored me, so vice versa. What comes across as “ignorant”. Cite it specifically. This in fact angers me because when you claim that someone else is an outright moron, after they just wrote a couple thousand words carefully explaining something, _you’re_ the one who’s ignorant. And I have over 10 names now who claim to be here to “fight ignorance” who did this to me. Even Colibri, who was supposed to have been selected for decorum or, well, something, just made the blanket statement that “all your posts are ignorant, you’re a moron” with no cites or discussion. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/527 "2018-01-04T22:23:25Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > Those posters were wrong **and I showed them**. (emphasis mine.) Yep, he showed 'em, alright. He showed them all! The fools! All of them! Says the genius who specializes in speaking _per rectum_ and by now has practically the whole board on ignore. 😃 BTW, the way to tell if **SamuelA** was actually ever right about anything is that he wouldn’t be able to stop crowing about it. Like the way he started a grandstanding thread in GQ when he mistakenly thought he had a great gotcha against **Stranger On A Train** related to an argument they were having in an entirely different thread, only to have his ass handed to him. Or the way he excitedly posted a link to Wikipedia here that he thought vindicated his argument about what “computation” meant in CS, which turned out to just reinforce how wrong he was. He was just preening himself after that post and opening up the Great Sphincter to begin pontificating in earnest when I pointed out that he didn’t fucking understand what he had just posted because it was, in fact, contradicting him. Oh, what the fuck, it’s even simpler than that. If you want to know if **SamuelA** is right about something, look for flying pigs. As someone else pointed out quite astutely, **SamuelA** is so arrogantly full of himself that every single thing he says is suspect, because he refuses to acknowledge that someone else might know more than he does, and to learn from that, so he develops his own ideas of how the world works and sticks to them like glue. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/528 "2018-01-04T22:26:55Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Oh, what the fuck, it’s even simpler than that. If you want to know if **SamuelA** is right about something, look for flying pigs. As someone else pointed out quite astutely, **SamuelA** is so arrogantly full of himself that every single thing he says is suspect, because he refuses to acknowledge that someone else might know more than he does, and to learn from that, so he develops his own ideas of how the world works and sticks to them like glue. Ladies and gentlemen! The next President of the United States! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/529 "2018-01-04T22:33:49Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > You’re a liar and it’s embarrassing that someone trusts you enough to moderate this message board. **SamuelA** , we’ve seen literally hundreds of posters like you on this board. They come and they go, almost never lasting very long. Arrogant and ignorant, they refuse to learn anything from their time here. I often wonder what motivates posters like you. Despite all the silly bloviating, you must realize that the only thing you’re doing here is making yourself a laughingstock. Why do you do it? ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/530 "2018-01-04T22:37:00Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > **SamuelA** , we’ve seen literally hundreds of posters like you on this board. They come and they go, almost never lasting very long. Arrogant and ignorant, they refuse to learn anything from their time here. > > I often wonder what motivates posters like you. Despite all the silly bloviating, you must realize that the only thing you’re doing here is making yourself a laughingstock. Why do you do it? Again, you haven’t read my posts, you’re making blanket generalizations, and you don’t deserve to be a moderator. Unlike those “hundreds of others”, my stuff is correct, I do learn things, and the only people laughing, I have on ignore. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/531 "2018-01-04T22:44:13Z")
Not going to bother any more. A jar of rancid piss doesn’t turn into Country Time lemonade no matter how many times you take a sip. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/532 "2018-01-04T22:49:02Z")
Okay, \*Caine Mutiny \*flashback. Humphrey Bogart, as Capt. Queeg. Queeg is on the witness stand, Jose Ferrer is cross examining him and; Queeg, nervously reaching in his pocket responds to a question with; “_Those posters were wrong and I showed them._” and > [@SamuelA](#): > > … Unlike those “hundreds of others”, my stuff is correct, I do learn things, … Battle fatigue. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/533 "2018-01-04T23:02:04Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > Of course I’m interested in discussion. Doesn’t look like it. Looks like you’re interested in _being right_. > [@](#): > > What comes across as “ignorant”. Cite it specifically. That’s a mug’s game, and I’m not sure I wish to play it. Anything I offer has already been offered, and you haven’t heard it. If I point out something that indicates ignorance, I’m afraid you will rules-lawyer it. Not helpful. But if you’re truly interested, you might start with the vast and exciting field of cognitive science. I highly recommend Daniel Kahneman’s _Thinking, Fast and Slow_. I’m sure we’ll agree that cogsci is an area of ignorance for you, right? > [@](#): > > This in fact angers me because when you claim that someone else is an outright moron, after they just wrote a couple thousand words carefully explaining something, _you’re_ the one who’s ignorant. And I have over 10 names now who claim to be here to “fight ignorance” who did this to me. I totally get being angry at the thought of wasting time and energy and keystrokes on people who are just going to dismiss it. But…what if it was actually flawed? What if–bear with me, just a thought experiment here–what if those thousands of words were not entirely accurate? Or correct? What if the gaps in your knowledge–gaps of the sort we all possess–resulted in your writing thousands of words of unnecessary explanation when you were actually operating under flawed assumptions? Possible? > [@](#): > > Colibri, who was supposed to have been selected for decorum or, well, something Something. Definitely _something_. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/534 "2018-01-04T23:04:30Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Not going to bother any more. A jar of rancid piss doesn’t turn into Country Time lemonade no matter how many times you take a sip. Well, the **Shags** thread is still going and that one probably does involve urine somewhere. Back in this thread, claims such as only the ignored are laughing at him still keep me amused. I wish you luck **andros** , but I don’t even know where you start. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/535 "2018-01-04T23:06:57Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > Again, you haven’t read my posts, Yes I have, and those who have been debating with you. > [@](#): > > you’re making blanket generalizations, No, I am making a summary statement based on overwhelming evidence. > [@](#): > > and you don’t deserve to be a moderator. [Deserves got nothing to do with it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuvEJ-U1UDc) > [@](#): > > Unlike those “hundreds of others”, my stuff is correct, It’s been repeatedly demonstrated to be false. > [@](#): > > I do learn things, You haven’t provided any evidence of this. > [@](#): > > and the only people laughing, I have on ignore. You benighted child, _everyone_ is laughing at you, including me (who you can’t ignore). By the way, putting people on ignore because they disagree with you is one of the most childish things you can do here, and one of the reasons people are laughing at you. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/536 "2018-01-04T23:09:36Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Something. Definitely _something_. 😃 Actually, I was selected for my fanatical devotion to the Pope. ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/537 "2018-01-04T23:11:02Z")
> [@andros](#): > > That’s a mug’s game, and I’m not sure I wish to play it. Anything I offer has already been offered, and you haven’t heard it. If I point out something that indicates ignorance, I’m afraid you will rules-lawyer it. Not helpful. > > But if you’re truly interested, you might start with the vast and exciting field of cognitive science. I highly recommend Daniel Kahneman’s _Thinking, Fast and Slow_. I’m sure we’ll agree that cogsci is an area of ignorance for you, right? > > I totally get being angry at the thought of wasting time and energy and keystrokes on people who are just going to dismiss it. But…what if it was actually flawed? What if–bear with me, just a thought experiment here–what if those thousands of words were not entirely accurate? Or correct? > > What if the gaps in your knowledge–gaps of the sort we all possess–resulted in your writing thousands of words of unnecessary explanation when you were actually operating under flawed assumptions? Post or shut up. I won’t rules lawyer it, but so far you’ve yet to show my “ignorance” in even a single post. How about you find 3 paragraphs out of everything I wrote, that seem really ignorant, and post them. Yes…but if you were going to dismiss something because it was wrong and you were knowledgeable enough to express why, you’d give a coherent, \*rational \*reason why. It doesn’t need to be thousands of words, but it does need to make sense. The other posters have not done that. Instead of going by _emotion_, a smart person would read the posts. And then express a reasoned answer. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/538 "2018-01-04T23:11:29Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Not going to bother any more. A jar of rancid piss doesn’t turn into Country Time lemonade no matter how many times you take a sip. Have you tested this empirically?:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/539 "2018-01-04T23:11:59Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Actually, I was selected for my fanatical devotion to the Pope. Those are two important reasons. ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/540 "2018-01-04T23:16:17Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Yes I have, and those who have been debating with you. > > No, I am making a summary statement based on overwhelming evidence. > > [Deserves got nothing to do with it.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuvEJ-U1UDc) > > It’s been repeatedly demonstrated to be false. > > You haven’t provided any evidence of this. > > You benighted child, _everyone_ is laughing at you, including me (who you can’t ignore). > > By the way, putting people on ignore because they disagree with you is one of the most childish things you can do here, and one of the reasons people are laughing at you. So prove it. Post 3 posts that have been “repeatedly demonstrated” to be false, and in your own words, explain why the available scientific evidence says it’s false. Oh, and also, don’t pick something I admitted was false already on, I am not infalliable. I think you’re a liar and haven’t actually read anything. You have no evidence at all, or you’d have just posted it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420.md?page=28)