# Technology doesn't work that way - SamuelA's Pit Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 3, 2017, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420 "2017-12-03T00:52:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/541 "2018-01-04T23:19:26Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Have you tested this empirically?:dubious: I used to drink a lot of Country Time (canned, not the powder) but I’m willing to entertain the possibility that the difference is minimal. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/542 "2018-01-04T23:27:34Z")
[Or a really fine wine?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfTdnWLMLDA) If you’ve never watched the show, the bottle is full of Baldrick’s urine ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/543 "2018-01-04T23:36:36Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > So prove it. Post 3 posts that have been “repeatedly demonstrated” to be false, and in your own words, explain why the available scientific evidence says it’s false. Oh, and also, don’t pick something I admitted was false already on, I am not infalliable. > > I think you’re a liar and haven’t actually read anything. You have no evidence at all, or you’d have just posted it. Life’s too short to argue with idiots. Even when you win, all you’ve done is win an argument with an idiot. “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” ― Mark Twain ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/544 "2018-01-04T23:39:15Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > Post or shut up. I won’t rules lawyer it, but so far you’ve yet to show my “ignorance” in even a single post. How about you find 3 paragraphs out of everything I wrote, that seem really ignorant, and post them. > > Yes…but if you were going to dismiss something because it was wrong and you were knowledgeable enough to express why, you’d give a coherent, \*rational \*reason why. It doesn’t need to be thousands of words, but it does need to make sense. > > The other posters have not done that. Instead of going by _emotion_, a smart person would read the posts. And then express a reasoned answer. So…that would be a “no,” then? You are \*not \*willing to consider that _any_ of the challenges to your posts have _any_ merit? Or that cognitive science is an area of ignorance for you? How about the computational model of mind? Any room for ignorance there? (You realize that I in no way consider “ignorant” to be an insult, right?) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/545 "2018-01-04T23:39:49Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > my stuff is correct, Your stuff is wrong. > [@SamuelA](#): > > I do learn things, You very obviously do not. > [@SamuelA](#): > > and the only people laughing, I have on ignore. That would be virtually the whole board. > [@SamuelA](#): > > How about you find 3 paragraphs out of everything I wrote, that seem really ignorant, and post them. Just for starters – there so many listed here that anyone can just take their pick – it’s a veritable Litany of Ignorance: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20700733&postcount=435](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20700733&postcount=435) [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20702822&postcount=486](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20702822&postcount=486) Of course, he claims to have me on ignore, so he won’t have seen them. I should also say to the disinterested reader that by the time things got to this point, he had really thoroughly pissed me off, as he does to just about everyone. So yes, these are insulting, though I tried to make them humorous and entertaining for the benefit of others. They are also factual. With **SamuelA** , facts are inherently insulting anyway even if courteously presented, because someone has dared to contradict him. The last straw that got him to put me on ignore was when I pointed out that he was incorrectly referencing “neuroscience” when we were talking about cognitive science. ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/546 "2018-01-04T23:44:25Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Life’s too short to argue with idiots. Even when you win, all you’ve done is win an argument with an idiot. > > “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” > ― Mark Twain So you’re a liar, then. That’s what the evidence is telling me. You’ve been called on your bullshit, and now you hide behind a Mark Twain quote. ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/547 "2018-01-04T23:49:50Z")
> [@andros](#): > > So…that would be a “no,” then? You are \*not \*willing to consider that _any_ of the challenges to your posts have _any_ merit? Or that cognitive science is an area of ignorance for you? > > How about the computational model of mind? Any room for ignorance there? > > (You realize that I in no way consider “ignorant” to be an insult, right?) There’s tons of stuff I don’t know. I’m talking about a _claim_ I made that is false. I don’t _claim_ to know more than the low level neuroscience and some of how we’re tackling these problems efficiently in machine learning. I don’t _claim_ to know more than that the evidence says we can actually emulate the human brain at a low level. I specifically note that the cognitive science may be muddled about how the brain functions, but this does in no way stop you from copying it, in the same way that a CD-burner’s firmware can copy a disk while knowing nothing about the complexity of the software on the disk. Colibri has _claimed_ I made false claims, and hasn’t bothered to cite a single one, just “it’s all ignorant”. You have done the same. Making a sweeping claim without referencing even what you’re claiming _is_ ignorant. Colibri’s post, that I just cited, _is_ heavily ignorant. I don’t _claim_ that all of Colibri’s posts are ignorant, but the ones he made this hour _are_. And I’m saying that the evidence tells me he’s a liar. Which hypothesis is more likely : a. Colibri read each of my posts carefully, checking wikipedia and other sources when he hit an idea he didn’t know, and noted down “true or false” for each claim I actually made. b. Colibri read the “majority opinion” of the posters ignorant enough to post in a Pit thread and decided the majority “can’t be wrong”. I say the evidence overwhelmingly points to (b). Which makes him a liar, because he claims (a). ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2018, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/548 "2018-01-04T23:53:28Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > So you’re a liar, then. That’s what the evidence is telling me. You’ve been called on your bullshit, and now you hide behind a Mark Twain quote. Naw, you’re just a young idiot. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/549 "2018-01-05T00:01:20Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > There’s tons of stuff I don’t know. I’m talking about a _claim_ I made that is false. _I’m_ not speaking to truth or falsehood. I’m talking about ignorance and arrogance. And, more broadly, how one presents one’s self to others. > [@](#): > > I don’t _claim_ to know… But you’ve certainly come across that way. You present as very, very _certain_. As entirely _right_, despite rational challenge, despite your own acknowledged ignorance, despite flaws. You come across as entirely unwilling to listen to anyone else unless they agree with you _in toto_. > [@](#): > > Colibri has _claimed_ I made false claims, and hasn’t bothered to cite a single one, just “it’s all ignorant”. You have done the same. No. I have not. I did not claim you made false claims, and I did not ever dismiss your words as “all ignorant.” > [@](#): > > Making a sweeping claim without referencing even what you’re claiming _is_ ignorant. Not so much, actually. Redefining ignorance in this way is not useful except to reinforce your already extant beliefs. > [@](#): > > Which hypothesis is more likely : > > a. Colibri read each of my posts carefully, checking wikipedia and other sources when he hit an idea he didn’t know, and noted down “true or false” for each claim I actually made. > > b. Colibri read the “majority opinion” of the posters ignorant enough to post in a Pit thread and decided the majority “can’t be wrong”. Neither is likely to be accurate. Are you open to the possibility that other options exist? . ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/550 "2018-01-05T00:03:48Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > There’s tons of stuff I don’t know. I’m talking about a _claim_ I made that is false. I don’t _claim_ to know more than the low level neuroscience and some of how we’re tackling these problems efficiently in machine learning. I don’t _claim_ to know more than that the evidence says we can actually emulate the human brain at a low level. I specifically note that the cognitive science may be muddled about how the brain functions, but this does in no way stop you from copying it, in the same way that a CD-burner’s firmware can copy a disk while knowing nothing about the complexity of the software on the disk. For the record, this is what **Tripler** has accurately characterized as “deflection”. None of the things mentioned – not one – were the subject of the discussions in which **SamuelA** ’s ignorance was so blatantly exposed. Just like no one even mentioned neuroscience until **SamuelA** brought it up, though no one knows why. Seems like just a word he pulled out of his ass. Also for the record, **andros** and **Colibri** who both just recently joined the discussion, are already being attacked. One possibility is that the entire board is populated by ignoramuses and is being moderated by an ignoramus and a liar. The other possibility is that **SamuelA** is an arrogant asshole who was blatantly wrong about virtually everything he posted, and is either too blinded by narcissism and arrogance to see it, or too stupid to understand it, despite the enumerated evidence. It’s one or the other. It’s not a complicated question, really. ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/551 "2018-01-05T00:05:43Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Many extremely intelligent posters knowledgeable about the subject matter you have posted on have read your posts and come to the conclusion that you are ignorant. In fact, the main thing you have demonstrated here is that you are too ignorant to even understand the depths of your own ignorance. That, and that you have the social skills of a five-year-old. > [@Colibri](#): > > Your posts. > [@Colibri](#): > > Yes I have, and those who have been debating with you. > > No, I am making a summary statement based on overwhelming evidence. Of which no evidence has been cited. If it’s overwhelming, find me some. So yes. Colibri has made a sweeping claim that it’s basically all ignorant. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/552 "2018-01-05T00:06:20Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > For the record, this is what **Tripler** has accurately characterized as “deflection”. None of the things mentioned – not one – were the subject of the discussions in which **SamuelA** ’s ignorance was so blatantly exposed. > > Also for the record, **andros** and **Colibri** who both just recently joined the discussion, are already being attacked. To his credit, I started it. > [@](#): > > One possibility is that the entire board is populated by ignoramuses and is being moderated by an ignoramus and a liar. The other possibility is that **SamuelA** is an arrogant asshole who was blatantly wrong about virtually everything he posted, and is either too blinded by narcissism and arrogance to see it, or too stupid to understand it, despite the enumerated evidence. It’s one or the other. It’s not a complicated question, really. One might almost ask which hypothesis is more likely? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/553 "2018-01-05T00:13:46Z")
> [@andros](#): > > To his credit, I started it. > > One might almost ask which hypothesis is more likely? 😃 You could then review the specific claims. If you, say, looked at the first claim. And noticed that actually, the ignoramus is wolfpup, who has filled this entire thread with page after page of blithely ignorant, dismissive posts. I mean you literally can’t miss them. You claimed to have spent an hour reading this thread - did you look up when I caught him and proved he was a liar? I specifically cited my arguments in great detail and tested him on his knowledge of signal processing and theory. Notice how he didn’t answer the questions? For that matter, I quizzed Tripler on the most basic application of the ideal rocket equation. Notice how he didn’t answer the questions? And so if Colibri read these discussions, like he claimed to, and actually saw that wolfpup and Tripler are both ignoramuses, that also makes him a liar as well. So, yes. Most humans are stupid, and this place apparently has a bunch of them. Which apparently includes the person that was appointed to run it. Anyways, I’ve said my piece, and I’ve proven my points. _Unless_ you, or anyone else, have a _substantive_ response citing specific posts, I’m done here. I’m going to go find a community with less idiots. I hear lesser wrong has revamped their site. _drops mike_ SamuelA Out. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/554 "2018-01-05T00:20:07Z")
Yay! We won! (Of course, 7 min after he dropped his “I’m out” post he still is logged in. I’m sure it’s just an errant browser tab or something.) ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/555 "2018-01-05T00:22:44Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > SamuelA Out. What a goddamn shame. Good luck, my friend. I hope things get better for you. ---
**Author:** ![Tripler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripler/32/21807_2.png) [@Tripler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tripler)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/556 "2018-01-05T00:26:39Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > Also ignored. > [@SamuelA](#): > > Tripler was willing to discuss, but then he ignored me, so vice versa. Huzzah, now the trap is _set._ > [@TroutMan](#): > > **JohnT** , if even **Tripler** can get ignored, what the hell is wrong with you? Come on, man, it’s like you’re not even trying! See, here’s the plan with the “trap”: I never _had_ an ignore list, I simply just said “ignored,” and he was willing to take the bait. I still see every IQ-draining post he makes. Now if he responds to me, we’ll know either: A) He’s full of crap and not actually maintaining the software-driven ignore list or; B) He’s actually got one, and can’t resist “lifting the veil” from time to time to feed his arrogance. So we’ll see if his “ignore list” is really just that Post-It note on his monitor. DO NOT QUOTE THIS POST! The ignore list [does not hide quotes.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=845201) But part of this is that I can’t respond to him directly–only the quotes you all put in the thread. He’ll come back and say “I lied about the ignore list.” Yup, sure did, but y’all see the purpose. I realize that this could de-evolve into a quotation war, but that’s why I need everyone to NOT QUOTE ME. Go ahead and quote him though. . . I can see those. Trust me, this is for the good of the Realm. > [@TroutMan](#): > > Welcome to the club! Tripler had the goat, last I saw. **Czarcasm** told me to take it down to Omega Bridge and throw it over the side. He gave me $10 and a bag of Skittles. Why, was I not supposed to do that? Tripler FUCK NO I’m not going down to scrape up the frozen puddle. It’s cold down in that valley. ETA: Oh, and I did answer his question. His “homework” about the ideal rocket equation. I just did it in my own sweet fuckin’ time. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/557 "2018-01-05T00:29:09Z")
15 minutes later, still logged on. He’s not that good at flouncing, either, is he? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/558 "2018-01-05T00:30:09Z")
> [@Tripler](#): > > It’s cold down in that valley. Oh thank og. For a second I thought you were throwing goats into the quarry. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/559 "2018-01-05T00:35:32Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > So you’re a liar, then. That’s what the evidence is telling me. You’ve been called on your bullshit, and now you hide behind a Mark Twain quote. “Only two things are infinite, the Universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the Universe.” - Albert Einstein 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Tripler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripler/32/21807_2.png) [@Tripler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tripler)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2018, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/560 "2018-01-05T00:35:49Z")
> [@andros](#): > > What a goddamn shame. Good luck, my friend. I hope things get better for you. Wait, he’s _gone?_ Aw man, I’m going to miss his miraculous answer on what warhead he claimed to use as “factual” data? I see the tool was all about deflection (I called it ‘redirection’, but hey. . .). I’m going to miss that mouthbreathing, motherfucking meatloaf eater. Tripler Never have so many, been so en-dumb-ified, by such a one. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420.md?page=29)