# Technology doesn't work that way - SamuelA's Pit Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 3, 2017, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420 "2017-12-03T00:52:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 40
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/781 "2018-01-26T20:56:14Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > As I said, he’s not even bothering to deny it any more. The thing about racists is that they’re not very smart, so it’s fun watching them dig themselves in ever deeper, covered in their own ignorance and myopia like pigs in shit. To be fair, it is racism out of ignorance, not out of hate. Of course, it is quickly becoming racism out of willful ignorance, which is a kissing cousin to racism out of fear of the “other”, and that 'lil guy takes a very direct path to hatred and contempt. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/782 "2018-01-26T20:58:47Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > It’s 84% white people and the second group is black people, who were not voluntary immigrants. That makes it highly selective… > > Why didn’t the residents of Japan, India, China, Spain, Mexico, South America, and Africa come to America voluntarily when the borders were open? > > I don’t know the answer… You seriously can’t think of a reason why Africans didn’t come to America voluntarily? The U.S. let in whoever wanted to come in. It was not selective. That certain people chose not to come in does not mean that U.S. immigration law was selective. This discussion started because people like you are trying to justify keeping people from “shithole countries” out of the U.S. by arguing it’s all about economics and culture. We were successful when we let in Europeans, right? This ignores that back then, people in the U.S. considered Ireland and others shitholes too. So what makes those shitholes OK, and not others? I can’t think of any reason you’d think that, unless you think some races are better than others. > [@SamuelA](#): > > And my point was that even if you start with the hypothesis that “no race or culture is better or worse than any other”, which is obvious bullshit… Oh. Never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/783 "2018-01-26T21:00:31Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > clearly cultures that value knowledge and technology are better for modern purposes than ones who don’t So which cultures _don’t_ value knowledge and technology? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/784 "2018-01-26T21:07:39Z")
[Simple Sam]The ones from shithole countries! Duh![/Simple Sam] ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/785 "2018-01-26T21:07:59Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > So which cultures _don’t_ value knowledge and technology? The Amish. Don’t let anyone in from that country. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/786 "2018-01-26T21:12:06Z")
Thanks, but I want to hear which cultures **SamuelA** would include. ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/787 "2018-01-26T21:12:41Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > So which cultures _don’t_ value knowledge and technology? Well, for one, China didn’t until really recently. They were first in everything, and managed to throw all their advantages away and got their [ass](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Opium_War) [handed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War)to them when they encountered cultures post industrial revolution. Obviously their modern culture has been completely reformed and they’ve now got their shit together for the most part and have been slowly pulling ahead due to all their advantages. But they had those same advantages (a very large contiguous territory with vast natural resources, a very large population, writing, an organized civilization) for thousands of years. They just couldn’t do shit with them. So yeah. If the year was 1920, when China did not have it’s modern culture, and the proposal was to actively import 1 person from China for every citizen of the USA that was currently a citizen, it would have been a disaster. The reason being culture - the much smaller number of people from China, etc we have allowed in through level immigration are one of the most successful subgroups in the population. Because they have adapted _our_ culture. So fuck you all who call me racists. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/788 "2018-01-26T21:17:03Z")
None of us think you’re plural, SamA. ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/789 "2018-01-26T21:18:02Z")
The reason being culture - the much smaller number of people from China, etc we have allowed in through legal immigration are one of the most successful subgroups in the population. Because they have adapted _our_ culture. And the actual racial differences seem to _favor_ Asians in the modern world, assuming they are real and not just observation bias. (it seems like asians are better at school and more patient and willing to defer gratification and less prone to commit crimes, but I can’t disentangle culture from fundamental genetic differences) So fuck you all who call me racist. If anything, the “best” race for today’s world is not even my own, and I freely admit I don’t even know if they are better or it’s just their parents having a better culture. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/790 "2018-01-26T21:30:41Z")
I, too, believe in the realness of Asians. It’s not just observation bias, man… _Asians really exist_! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/791 "2018-01-26T21:36:16Z")
… … …yyyeah. I’m going with “shitty AI.” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/792 "2018-01-26T21:38:02Z")
Well, it has been noted that you can’t spell “racist” without “AI”, so he’s got that going for him, which is nice. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/793 "2018-01-26T21:38:18Z")
Please tell me all about the cultural focus on technology of the Irish potato farmers who immigrated. Or does that not matter because they were white? Look, it sucks to be forced to confront the fact that you are a racist. You don’t hate other races, you just think some are not as intelligent or something. That’s OK, right? Well, no. Face it, you’re a racist. Saying things like “I’m not a racist, I think there’s another race better than whites” could not demonstrate your ignorance any more clearly. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/794 "2018-01-26T21:43:45Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > Well, for one, China didn’t until really recently. They were first in everything, and managed to throw all their advantages away and got their [ass](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Opium_War) [handed](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Sino-Japanese_War)to them when they encountered cultures post industrial revolution. Interesting thing about that. They were a world power for quite some time, they led in trade and technology. Then they pulled back, spent resources building a wall instead of maintaining their trade fleet, and became isolationist. Then their economy crashed along with their social structure. Other countries caught up and surpassed the now isolated China as they continued to trade not only goods and services, but ideas people and culture. As far as the opium wars, that was because we wanted to trade with them to get their silk, but we didn’t have anything they wanted. So, we got them addicted to opium, and traded that. > [@](#): > > Obviously their modern culture has been completely reformed and they’ve now got their shit together for the most part and have been slowly pulling ahead due to all their advantages. > > But they had those same advantages (a very large contiguous territory with vast natural resources, a very large population, writing, an organized civilization) for thousands of years. They just couldn’t do shit with them. That’s pretty ignorant of the history of China. > [@](#): > > So yeah. If the year was 1920, when China did not have it’s modern culture, and the proposal was to actively import 1 person from China for every citizen of the USA that was currently a citizen, it would have been a disaster. The same could be said about the irish, or the italians, or the polish, or the french, or the german, or the jews at the time. Yet we did get irish and italians and polish and french. Not so much a disaster. > [@](#): > > The reason being culture - the much smaller number of people from China, etc we have allowed in through level immigration are one of the most successful subgroups in the population. Because they have adapted _our_ culture. I take it you have never seen china town? Pretty much every major city has an area that is full of chinese that have not adapted to our culture, but keep their own. Are they all shitholes too? > [@](#): > > So fuck you all who call me racists. > [@](#): > > rac·ism > the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. You really are painting that label on yourself here. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/795 "2018-01-26T22:09:47Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > … > > Well, no. Face it, you’re a racist. Saying things like “I’m not a racist, I think there’s another race better than whites” could not demonstrate your ignorance any more clearly. He’s confusing racism with prejudice. He’s young, give him a little break here, he really doesn’t understand these concepts either. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/796 "2018-01-26T22:28:17Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > > > So which cultures _don’t_ value knowledge and technology? > > [Simple Sam]The ones from shithole countries! Duh![/Simple Sam] Damn! You beat me to it! But, yes, this is exactly the logic. The people who live in shithole countries (the shitholians) can therefore all be dismissed as useless, ignorant, probably lazy, and probably all criminals. This is not racism, it’s a _ **fact** _, the inescapable conclusion reached by **SamuelA** ’s giant throbbing computational brain. This is why these people absolutely must not be allowed in, and **SamuelA** warns us exactly what would happen if they were: there would be “_a massive cultural change, with the new cultural_ [sic] _being mainly weighted towards the culture of origin of the immigrants. **And if that culture is a ‘failure’ creating a ‘shithole’** : what do you reasonably think would happen._” (Bolding mine.) Obviously the question is rhetorical because the answer is obvious: these people will create shitholes everywhere they roam. Yet they keep sneaking in. Here is a scary picture of [a whole room full of shitholians](http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-travel-ban-iran-harvard-medical-students-toronto-1.3967469)! :eek: I bet they’re already “weighting the culture” in the shithole direction, even as we speak! ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/797 "2018-01-26T22:40:59Z")
> [@SamuelA](#): > > Because they have adapted _our_ culture. And the actual racial differences seem to _favor_ Asians in the modern world, assuming they are real and not just observation bias. (it seems like asians are better at school and more patient and willing to defer gratification and less prone to commit crimes, but I can’t disentangle culture from fundamental genetic differences) Yes, it’s hard to tell whether it’s ingrained culture or whether it’s inherent genetics that make it harder for ignorant backwards foreign races to adapt to our superior white Aryan culture! 😃 It’s heartening to know that Asians have been able to adapt to our superior culture, bless their enterprising little yellow hides. But tell me, how do you feel about the Negro? Your compatriot Richard Spencer thinks maybe there’s some serious genetic stuff happening there. > [@SamuelA](#): > > So fuck you all who call me racist. You did that all by yourself, and you double down on it every time you post. ---
**Author:** ![SamuelA](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c77e96/32.png) [@SamuelA](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SamuelA)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/798 "2018-01-26T22:52:36Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Y > It’s heartening to know that Asians have been able to adapt to our superior culture, bless their enterprising little yellow hides. But tell me, how do you feel about the Negro? Your compatriot Richard Spencer thinks maybe there’s some serious genetic stuff happening there. > > You did that all by yourself, and you double down on it every time you post. Asians are better at ‘our’ culture than we are. Because the selection pressure that created them happened to lead to adaptations that are slightly more optimal at it. That’s what I think at the present. I am going back to ignoring you. You and everyone who has called me a racist is too fucking stupid to engage further. K9friendfinder, thanks again for reading my posts and not jumping to the wrong conclusions. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 11:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/799 "2018-01-26T23:03:09Z")
Racist ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2018, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420/800 "2018-01-26T23:10:24Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > Racist If that works then; SamuelA you’re a RACIST! CMC fnord! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420.md?page=39) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/technology-doesnt-work-that-way-samuelas-pit-thread/803420.md?page=41)