# Ted Cruz Presidential campaign discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 23, 2015, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774 "2015-03-23T14:47:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![WillFarnaby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/willfarnaby/32/514_2.png) [@WillFarnaby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WillFarnaby)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2015, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/261 "2015-12-02T22:43:46Z")
Cruz is tacking to the “left” of Rubio on foreign policy. It’s a smart move because he is able to lump Rubio and Clinton together on both Syria and Libya. Basically he is stealing Rand Paul’s move and doing it 100 times better because he is moving from a hawkish position of rhetoric. He has come out against “military adventurism”, a Paulist phrase. Rubio is an evil warmonger. Favoring immigration does not make a moderate. [http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-01/ted-cruz-excoriates-marco-rubio-on-foreign-policy-and-links-him-to-hillary-clinton](http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-01/ted-cruz-excoriates-marco-rubio-on-foreign-policy-and-links-him-to-hillary-clinton) Cruz will eat up Rubio on this. Rubio’s neoconservative advisors and backers will have a hard time with Cruz. ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/262 "2015-12-03T00:19:58Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Yet enough people from other sates voted for Idiot Boy Bush to take him within stealing distance in 2000. What was \*their \*excuse? Al Gore is even less sexy than Texas. Obvs. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/263 "2015-12-03T02:48:46Z")
> [@WillFarnaby](#): > > Cruz is tacking to the “left” of Rubio on foreign policy. It’s a smart move because he is able to lump Rubio and Clinton together on both Syria and Libya. Basically he is stealing Rand Paul’s move and doing it 100 times better because he is moving from a hawkish position of rhetoric. > > He has come out against “military adventurism”, a Paulist phrase. > > Rubio is an evil warmonger. Favoring immigration does not make a moderate. > > [http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-01/ted-cruz-excoriates-marco-rubio-on-foreign-policy-and-links-him-to-hillary-clinton](http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-01/ted-cruz-excoriates-marco-rubio-on-foreign-policy-and-links-him-to-hillary-clinton) > > Cruz will eat up Rubio on this. Rubio’s neoconservative advisors and backers will have a hard time with Cruz. It’s not a tack. Cruz has always been closer to the Pauls on foreign policy than the neocons. I’m sure he relishes a fight with Rubio on the issue. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/264 "2015-12-03T03:03:41Z")
I finally figured out who Cruz reminds me of. This guy, [https://www.google.com/search?q=janos+skorzeny&biw=1920&bih=943&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwilq4mH2r7JAhUG2SYKHW\_1B7QQ\_AUIBygB](https://www.google.com/search?q=janos+skorzeny&biw=1920&bih=943&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwilq4mH2r7JAhUG2SYKHW_1B7QQ_AUIBygB) and a little of this guy. [https://www.google.com/search?q=david+thayer+actor&biw=1920&bih=943&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiT4e622r7JAhXCYyYKHfy7COgQ\_AUIBygC](https://www.google.com/search?q=david+thayer+actor&biw=1920&bih=943&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiT4e622r7JAhXCYyYKHfy7COgQ_AUIBygC) ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/265 "2015-12-03T03:13:43Z")
Aw, don’t be mean to David Thayer! David Thayer was an EXCELLENT Nero Wolfe. Of course, he DID eat the duck in _Journey to the Center of the Earth_. I’ll bet that fucker Ted Cruz would have eaten the duck, too. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/266 "2015-12-03T15:27:44Z")
Cruz is starting to take it to Rubio on a couple fronts now, foreign policy and immigration. I’m not saying it’s a bad move, but I do think he’s making it too early. Let’s just say Cruz can cause major harm to Rubio. Where does that support go? To Cruz or to Bush? Or other? I’m sure Cruz and his team calculated the risk and thought it wouldn’t be overly aggressive. We’ll see. ---
**Author:** ![dalej42](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@dalej42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalej42)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/267 "2015-12-03T16:06:08Z")
A vicious op ed in the New York Times describing how reviled Cruz is among his colleagues. > **[Opinion | Anyone but Ted Cruz (Published 2015)](https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/02/opinion/anyone-but-ted-cruz.html?_r=0&referer=http:%2F%2Fapple.com%2Fspotlight-suggestion)** > > The strident Texas senator wants the ultimate promotion. Check his references first. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2015, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/268 "2015-12-03T16:53:34Z")
> [@dalej42](#): > > A vicious op ed in the New York Times describing how reviled Cruz is among his colleagues. > > [http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/02/opinion/anyone-but-ted-cruz.html?\_r=0&referer=http://apple.com/spotlight-suggestion](http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/02/opinion/anyone-but-ted-cruz.html?_r=0&referer=http://apple.com/spotlight-suggestion) That is considered his biggest positive among his supporters. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/269 "2015-12-04T03:48:49Z")
It’s often been said that who your enemies are says more good things about you than who your friends are. I would think that being hated by the Republican establishment would get Cruz some fans among Democrats too. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/270 "2015-12-04T03:53:48Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > It’s often been said that who your enemies are says more good things about you than who your friends are. I would think that being hated by the Republican establishment would get Cruz some fans among Democrats too. How can you think that when Cruz’s positions are too far right for most Republicans? ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/271 "2015-12-04T03:55:58Z")
His positions aren’t too far right, it’s his unwillingness to compromise with the opposition and his scorched earth tactics. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/272 "2015-12-04T04:04:30Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > His positions aren’t too far right, it’s his unwillingness to compromise with the opposition and his scorched earth tactics. He says and advocates for crazy things – I’d never support him. I’d probably sooner vote for Trump (less crazy and seems less evil). ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/273 "2015-12-04T04:18:39Z")
Trump is pretty moderate compared to your average Republican, he’s just erratic and unpredictable. One thing you don’t have to worry about with Cruz. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/274 "2015-12-04T04:30:02Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Trump is pretty moderate compared to your average Republican, he’s just erratic and unpredictable. One thing you don’t have to worry about with Cruz. Erratic and unpredictable. Just what we need in a President. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/275 "2015-12-04T04:31:51Z")
Well yeah, that is a bit of a problem. Cruz if anything is the opposite. He’s disciplined to a fault. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/276 "2015-12-04T14:48:57Z")
No Democrat will forgive Cruz for holding the debt ceiling hostage to boost his personal Q rating. ---
**Author:** ![Derleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Derleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Derleth)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/277 "2015-12-04T15:04:14Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Well yeah, that is a bit of a problem. Cruz if anything is the opposite. He’s disciplined to a fault. Normal people call that “fanatical” and “extremist”. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAlecCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/67e7ee/32.png) [@SmartAlecCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAlecCat)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/278 "2015-12-04T15:14:50Z")
> [@Derleth](#): > > Normal people call that “fanatical” and “extremist”. If you reconsider your position in light of newly revealed evidence and change your mind on anything, you’re a softie waffler. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/279 "2015-12-04T15:19:16Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > His positions aren’t too far right, it’s his unwillingness to compromise with the opposition and his scorched earth tactics. I agree. Cruz isn’t really that much more conservative than, say, Rubio, but he is uncompromising even by GOP standards. Which is why I am rooting for him: there’s no way the media can put a moderate gloss on him the way they can (and are already doing) with Rubio. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2015, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/280 "2015-12-04T19:06:27Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > It’s often been said that who your enemies are says more good things about you than who your friends are. I would think that being hated by the Republican establishment would get Cruz some fans among Democrats too. Trust me, we hate the hard-right TP wing much worse than the establishment. The establishment is reasonable enough to deal with. The Freedom Caucus ain’t. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774.md?page=15)