# Ted Cruz Presidential campaign discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 23, 2015, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774 "2015-03-23T14:47:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2016, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/481 "2016-01-16T21:53:20Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > The conclusion of this article is that the Supreme Court would likely rule Cruz eligible. Still, I find it obnoxious to use the denigrating word “birther” in the Cruz case, as it seems like a genuinely involved issue as to whether Cruz is eligible or not. They probably wouldn’t even hear the case. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/482 "2016-01-16T22:55:57Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Yes, but not because of anything in that article. > > The Supreme Court consists of political appointees. Justices do sometimes rule against the majority view of their party on a particular case/issue. But when it comes to party control of one of the branches of government, I can’t see them ruling against their own party. > > The current Supreme Court is 5-4 GOP. As long as there is a GOP majority, Cruz, assuming a November win, is rock solid. I think your basic thesis is slightly overstated, but only slightly (I hated the Bush v Gore decision as well). But why you think that pro-GOP would equal pro-Cruz, I have no idea. ---
**Author:** ![Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e47c2d/32.png) [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffy_the_Elephant_Shrew)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2016, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/483 "2016-01-17T00:53:19Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > So Duck Dynasty Phil has endorsed Ted Cruz. [This video is so very painfully awkward](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i-9D92bzu8&feature=youtu.be) to watch. [One of us!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1q2F_18cjg) ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2016, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/484 "2016-01-17T00:59:04Z")
> [@Biffy\_the\_Elephant\_Shrew](#): > > [One of us!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1q2F_18cjg) I would cheerfully drink with the freaks if I were marrying a midget. I love duck gumbo. I would like to punch Ted Cruz in the face. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2016, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/485 "2016-01-17T01:38:07Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > But why you think that pro-GOP would equal pro-Cruz, I have no idea. I guess I was thinking that ruling against Cruz would be perceived as a strong repudiation of the GOP position. If the Cruz votes, in the electoral college, were invalidated, that gives the Presidency to the Democratic candidate. But if the effect of a Cruz loss was to make the newly elected veep become President, of course, that would be more like what you are saying. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2016, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/486 "2016-01-17T02:19:33Z")
It’s a pretty good bet the SCOTUS wouldn’t touch a Cruz citizenship case after the popular vote has happened. By then it’d be what they call a nonjusticiable political matter. So any challenge needs to be dealt with before the voters vote. Which means it needs to be launched pretty darn soon to climb all the way to the top of the legal hill by then. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2016, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/487 "2016-01-17T02:27:25Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > If the Cruz votes, in the electoral college, were invalidated, that gives the Presidency to the Democratic candidate. But if the effect of a Cruz loss was to make the newly elected veep become President, of course, that would be more like what you are saying. The latter is what would happen. Should a candidate elected by the Electoral College die or otherwise become ineligible before he or she is inaugurated, the Vice-President elect would become President. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2016, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/488 "2016-01-17T03:10:57Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > The JEW media is upset about Cruz’s attack on JEW values? Heavens to Betsy, who’d a thunk it? ??? Is there a point to this comment? [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2016, 12:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/489 "2016-01-17T12:32:25Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Cruz’s body language seems to indicate that he thought Donald got him back good, but I think it’s an open question as to whether that really did hurt him, since in most parts of the country potential Cruz voters are not pro-NYC to say the least. I think the New York media may be giving Donald too many points on that one. I think this will help Trump and hurt Cruz, not so much because anyone gives a shit about NYC, but because of what Josh Marshall calls the ‘bitch-slap theory’ of politics. Cruz went after Trump, and Trump smacked him down. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2016, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/490 "2016-01-17T16:22:40Z")
I saw the TPM post. Very well argued. Trump definitely has done this to others, especially Jeb. Jeb was reduced to pleading for Donald to “reconsider”. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2016, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/491 "2016-01-17T16:24:56Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > ??? > > Is there a point to this comment? > > [/Moderating] Well, I suppose an antisemitic subtext could be read into Cruz’ crack about “New York values.” ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2016, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/492 "2016-01-17T18:43:52Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Well, I suppose an antisemitic subtext could be read into Cruz’ crack about “New York values.” Sorry, **Tomndebb,** I was in the midst of a rage attack over the blatant dog whistle of “New York Values.” We have a household joke – and it’s certainly not original with us – after Repub references to New Yorkers not being Good Americans like Huckabee’s “Bubbas,” where we lift our eyebrows and say in an exaggerated stage whisper “He means the JEWS…” ---
**Author:** ![Ukulele\_Ike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/df788c/32.png) [@Ukulele\_Ike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ukulele_Ike)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2016, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/493 "2016-01-17T18:44:53Z")
You know how butt-sensitive we New Yorkers are. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2016, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/494 "2016-01-17T21:12:25Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Well, I suppose an antisemitic subtext could be read into Cruz’ crack about “New York values.” [“Believe me, if I could say ‘liberal Jews,’ I would.”](http://www.salon.com/2016/01/17/believe_me_if_i_could_say_liberal_jews_i_would_saturday_night_live_nails_ted_cruzs_attack_on_so_called_new_york_values/) ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2016, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/495 "2016-01-17T22:01:54Z")
One gets the sense that Cruz is used to saying lines like that to friendly audiences - “Nobody here but us chickens, right? Ha ha, New Yorkers amirite?” - and he’s come up headlong into the cold hard reality of his targets, like a hacky nightclub comic going outside of his comfort zone. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2016, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/496 "2016-01-18T00:57:32Z")
The New York values thing was a direct lift from Sorkin writing The West Wing - dumbest call ever. I cannot believe how craven and transparent this candidate is: he couldn’t represent GS and corporate American more if he wanted. A totally empty vessel essentially prostituting himself . ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2016, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/497 "2016-01-18T01:14:44Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > The New York values thing was a direct lift from Sorkin writing The West Wing - dumbest call ever. > > I cannot believe how craven and transparent this candidate is: he couldn’t represent GS and corporate American more if he wanted. A totally empty vessel essentially prostituting himself . It was a direct reference to an interview Trump did with Tim Russet in 1999 when he, among other things, talked about being in favor of keeping abortion legal. . Cruz’s comment was specifically timed to the Iowa caucus as Trump, in that interview, explicitly states that his values are formed by his living in NY, and that he might think differently if he lived in… Iowa! [Link.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHAHKGP10yc) Cruz was trying to contrast the Trump of today with the “real Trump”. He kinda let Trump walk all over him in the debate, but as this interview gets more air time in Iowa, it might help him. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2016, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/498 "2016-01-18T02:41:51Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > The New York values thing was a direct lift from Sorkin writing The West Wing - dumbest call ever. > > I cannot believe how craven and transparent this candidate is: he couldn’t represent GS and corporate American more if he wanted. A totally empty vessel essentially prostituting himself . I don’t know how he can represent corporate America when the rest of the GOP hates him. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2016, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/499 "2016-01-18T04:46:00Z")
Because whores resent brazen sluts? They do it because they get paid, he just likes it? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/500 "2016-01-19T19:03:31Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > I will say that, if Cruz was a principled follower of the original intent of the Constitution, he would, because of his foreign birth, not be running for President. Why? What do you think is the original intent? It seems to me that the founding fathers were mostly concerned about agents of foreign states running for and becoming the commander in chief of our nation (primarily the Brits). I don’t think they would have had a problem with the son of an American citizen and a political refugee from Cuba just because he was born abroad if he spent the his entire adult life in America. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774.md?page=26)