# Ted Cruz Presidential campaign discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 23, 2015, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774 "2015-03-23T14:47:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/501 "2016-01-19T19:07:59Z")
Founding Fathers didn’t have an immigration problem to deal with, as such. Not nearly so important as the churlish resistance of staunchly anti-immigrant groups like the Huron, Iroquois and Cree. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/502 "2016-01-19T19:20:03Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > Sorry, **Tomndebb,** I was in the midst of a rage attack over the blatant dog whistle of “New York Values.” > > We have a household joke – and it’s certainly not original with us – after Repub references to New Yorkers not being Good Americans like Huckabee’s “Bubbas,” where we lift our eyebrows and say in an exaggerated stage whisper “He means the JEWS…” That’s funny because my family thought he was talking about Asians. I mean is there a more “other” group than Asians? We are also more likely to be Democrats than Jews, in fact blacks are the only group to tilt more Democrat than Asians so he was probably talking about Asians. Yep. He specifically referenced all the prominent NYC politicos and none of them were Jewish. How do you get anti-Semitism out of that comment unless you are LOOKING for anti-Semitism?😕 Ted Cruz is an asshole but trying to portray him as a racist or a bigot is really just putting words into his mouth. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/503 "2016-01-19T19:21:32Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > The New York values thing was a direct lift from Sorkin writing The West Wing - dumbest call ever. > > I cannot believe how craven and transparent this candidate is: he couldn’t represent GS and corporate American more if he wanted. A totally empty vessel essentially prostituting himself . Goldman Sachs? You mean the historically Jewish investment bank (well 100 year ago at least) that his wife works for? Yeah, I bet he just hates them Jews :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/504 "2016-01-19T19:24:44Z")
I would still point to the uncomfortable irony of the fact that the whole birther argument against Obama rested entirely on whether or not he was born in the U.S. or abroad. Cruz was born abroad, without a doubt. I too was born abroad, the child of two American-born parents (and the grandchild of four American-born grandparents, if that matters), but have lived in the U.S. since I was six months old, except for a few short visits to Canada (and one to Jamaica) in childhood, and a total of eight or nine months that I spent overseas in my teens and twenties. I remember wondering at about age ten if I was eligible to be president. I asked my friend’s dad, an attorney, and he said the question had never been resolved but he thought the odds were maybe 60-40 against me. I never really questioned it any further, so it’s interesting to see this all play out, with the howls of protest that it’s so “obvious” Cruz is eligible. Really? ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/505 "2016-01-19T19:30:10Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Because whores resent brazen sluts? They do it because they get paid, he just likes it? Yep. He really thinks that the rich are better. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/506 "2016-01-19T19:31:56Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Goldman Sachs? You mean the historically Jewish investment bank (well 100 year ago at least) that his wife works for? Yeah, I bet he just hates them Jews :rolleyes: He can hate them and still accept their support. That actually makes him worse. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/507 "2016-01-19T19:52:17Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I would still point to the uncomfortable irony of the fact that the whole birther argument against Obama rested entirely on whether or not he was born in the U.S. or abroad. Cruz was born abroad, without a doubt. > > I too was born abroad, the child of two American-born parents (and the grandchild of four American-born grandparents, if that matters), but have lived in the U.S. since I was six months old, except for a few short visits to Canada (and one to Jamaica) in childhood, and a total of eight or nine months that I spent overseas in my teens and twenties. > > I remember wondering at about age ten if I was eligible to be president. I asked my friend’s dad, an attorney, and he said the question had never been resolved but he thought the odds were maybe 60-40 against me. I never really questioned it any further, so it’s interesting to see this all play out, with the howls of protest that it’s so “obvious” Cruz is eligible. Really? Birthers are, for the most part, racists. If Obama’s father had been a white exchange student, there would not have been a birther movement. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/508 "2016-01-19T19:55:42Z")
Indeed. But what would they think of Ted Cruz’s father? He only became a US citizen less than 5 years ago IIRC. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/509 "2016-01-19T19:57:02Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > He can hate them and still accept their support. That actually makes him worse. Do we really think that Ted Cruz is a bigot or is this just something we throw at every Republican candidate just to see if it sticks? I have seen NO evidence that Ted Cruz is trying to rally the anti-semites or racists. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/510 "2016-01-19T19:58:13Z")
Iowa’s Republican Gov. Terry Branstad endorses everyone but Ted Cruz in the Iowa caucus. [Link](http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/19/politics/terry-branstad-ted-cruz-defeat/index.html) Donald Trump likes this… “Wow, the highly respected Governor of Iowa just stated that ‘Ted Cruz must be defeated.’ Big (shocker)! People do not like Ted.” ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/511 "2016-01-19T20:15:31Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Iowa’s Republican Gov. Terry Branstad endorses everyone but Ted Cruz in the Iowa caucus. > > [Link](http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/19/politics/terry-branstad-ted-cruz-defeat/index.html) > > Donald Trump likes this… > > “Wow, the highly respected Governor of Iowa just stated that ‘Ted Cruz must be defeated.’ Big (shocker)! People do not like Ted.” Of course, it’s about ethanol. There are so many better reasons to hate that man. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/512 "2016-01-19T20:18:48Z")
Yeah, but we don’t have to choose. If the bag isn’t big enough to hold all of them, get a bigger bag. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/513 "2016-01-19T20:57:38Z")
FWIW, I don’t think Cruz is playing racist or anti-Semitic dogwhistle politics with the NYC remarks. I think he is conjuring up an image of elitist white liberals more than anything. Funny though what a Rohrschach test this is for some people! ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/514 "2016-01-19T21:27:07Z")
> [@Ukulele\_Ike](#): > > We have a household joke – and it’s certainly not original with us – after Repub references to New Yorkers not being Good Americans like Huckabee’s “Bubbas,” where we lift our eyebrows and say in an exaggerated stage whisper “He means the JEWS…” Kinda like when libs rail against the Wall Street bankers and elite fat cat parasites destroying the economy. Better in the original German. ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/515 "2016-01-19T21:54:16Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Indeed. But what would they think of Ted Cruz’s father? He only became a US citizen less than 5 years ago IIRC. His father looks white. It pretty much begins and ends there. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/516 "2016-01-19T22:03:36Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > Why? > > What do you think is the original intent? It seems to me that the founding fathers were mostly concerned about agents of foreign states running for and becoming the commander in chief of our nation (primarily the Brits). I don’t think they would have had a problem with the son of an American citizen and a political refugee from Cuba just because he was born abroad if he spent the his entire adult life in America. But what about someone born in one of Her Majesty’s realms and owing allegiance to Her Majesty until he renounced it just a year before running for President? You don’t think that might have got their satin knee-breeches in a knot? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Damuri\_Ajashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/898d66/32.png) [@Damuri\_Ajashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Damuri_Ajashi)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/517 "2016-01-19T22:09:30Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > But what about someone born in one of Her Majesty’s realms and owing allegiance to Her Majesty until he renounced it just a year before running for President? You don’t think that might have got their satin knee-breeches in a knot? 🙂 Born of an American mother? And frankly a history like that would have made it impossible to get elected back then when the electoral college actually meant the electoral college. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Pig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c57346/32.png) [@Little\_Pig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Pig)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/518 "2016-01-19T22:41:25Z")
[Iowa governor wants Ted Cruz defeated](http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/19/politics/terry-branstad-ted-cruz-defeat/) Cruz (a “big oil” candidate) is opposed to the wind energy tax credit. He’s opposed to ethanol and biodiesel. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/519 "2016-01-19T22:46:02Z")
Sarah Palin just officially endorsed Trump. I’m no fan of hers, at all, but she has a lot of conservative followers. Cruz wouldn’t be in the senate w/o her help. This has to be a huge blow to Cruz’s chances in Iowa. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2016, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/520 "2016-01-19T22:50:22Z")
Jonathan Karl made an interesting point on ABC This Week about the “New York values” confrontation in the debate: > [@](#): > > JONATHAN KARL, ABC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: George, I have to say, when Ted Cruz came out with this New York values attack, it looked like it was a gaffe. Trump had a great moment in the debate. > > But what’s it done since? > > It has driven everybody back to that interview 20 years ago with Tim Russert where Donald Trump says he is pro-choice, pro-gays in the military and does it citing the fact that he is from New York, not from Iowa. > > It may have been a master stroke by Ted Cruz. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774.md?page=25) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774.md?page=27)