# Ted Cruz Presidential campaign discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 23, 2015, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774 "2015-03-23T14:47:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 46
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/901 "2016-04-15T18:21:11Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > …I don’t think Democrats would support an invasion of a country that harbored terrorists that attacked us if it happened again. Disagree. Most Dems backed the invasion of Afghanistan in late 2001, after it became apparent Al Qaeda used it as a planning and launching point for the 9-11 attacks. It was the later, factually-unrelated invasion of Iraq that drew strong Democratic opposition. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2016, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/902 "2016-04-15T18:26:50Z")
Actually, weren’t the plots hatched and coordinated in Germany? Hamburg, IIRC? ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/903 "2016-04-19T19:53:24Z")
Ted Cruz apparently thinks that Common Core is somehow imposed by the federal Department of Education, even though [it really was established by a coalition of states](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Core_State_Standards_Initiative#Adoption), and he [plans to tell the Department of Education to end Common Core on the first day of his Presidency](http://thepulse2016.com/paul-dupont/2016/04/01/cruz-renews-promise-to-end-common-core-at-cnn-town-hall/). ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/904 "2016-04-19T20:20:45Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Actually, weren’t the plots hatched and coordinated in Germany? Hamburg, IIRC? Then we should’ve invaded Germany instead. A soldier can’t find a decent plate of knockwurst-and-sauerk-- sausage-and-Liberty-Cabbage\* anywhere in Iraq. \*[Not making that up.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauerkraut#Overview) ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/905 "2016-04-19T20:28:14Z")
Cruz thinks that gay marriage should be up to the individual states. I wonder how he feels about interracial marriage. I wonder if his own parents’ marriage could be considered illegal under interracial marriage laws. [ > [@](#): > > if someone wants to change the marriage laws, I don’t think it should be five unelected lawyers down in Washington dictating that ]([Ted Cruz: States Ought To Be Able To Ban Interracial Marriages | Crooks and Liars](http://crooksandliars.com/2016/04/ted-cruz-states-ought-be-able-ban)) ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/906 "2016-04-21T15:10:04Z")
I’m kind of guessing from the content of the last few posts that everyone’s already lost interest in his candidacy and he’s now a bloated corpse floating in the electoral river. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 21, 2016, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/907 "2016-04-21T15:15:25Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I’m kind of guessing from the content of the last few posts that everyone’s already lost interest in his candidacy and he’s now a bloated corpse floating in the electoral river. That’s way too attractive an image for Cruz. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2016, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/908 "2016-04-23T00:18:30Z")
> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#): > > Disagree. Most Dems backed the invasion of Afghanistan in late 2001, after it became apparent Al Qaeda used it as a planning and launching point for the 9-11 attacks. It was the later, factually-unrelated invasion of Iraq that drew strong Democratic opposition. Yet despite Al Qaeda’s continued presence in Afghanistan, and the Taliban’s continued alliance with them, Democrats have rushed to the exits. And at least on SDMB, they’ve made it clear they would not support a ground war against ISIS even if a 9/11 level attack occurred. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2016, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/909 "2016-04-23T00:20:19Z")
> [@Boyo\_Jim](#): > > I’m kind of guessing from the content of the last few posts that everyone’s already lost interest in his candidacy and he’s now a bloated corpse floating in the electoral river. Cruz’s candidacy is alive and well and he knows how to play the game. No one’s worked better at getting delegates loyal to him sent to the convention. Even if Cruz falls short, he’ll probably be the presumptive frontrunner next time around. He’ll probably work to mend fences with the leadership in the interim. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2016, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/910 "2016-04-23T00:32:32Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Yet despite Al Qaeda’s continued presence in Afghanistan, and the Taliban’s continued alliance with them, Democrats have rushed to the exits. And at least on SDMB, they’ve made it clear they would not support a ground war against ISIS even if a 9/11 level attack occurred. Why would we want to do something that would get more Americans killed and greatly weaken the entire country, which is the lesson learned from the past 15 years? Generally shooting one’s self in the foot is not the best response to being attacked. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2016, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/911 "2016-04-23T00:34:48Z")
That’s a great debate to have, and I hope we’ll have it this election. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2016, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/912 "2016-04-23T14:19:18Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Cruz’s candidacy is alive and well and he knows how to play the game. No one’s worked better at getting delegates loyal to him sent to the convention. > > Even if Cruz falls short, he’ll probably be the presumptive frontrunner next time around. He’ll probably work to mend fences with the leadership in the interim. He hasn’t had a long political career, but has he ever mended fences with people before? Maybe he has and I don’t know about it, or maybe he hasn’t but he has just never tried. I agree that he could be the frontrunner next time, but I’m skeptical that he could mend fences. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2016, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/913 "2016-04-23T14:31:22Z")
Cruz’s brand is that he’s the guy ready to stand against the GOP and fight for real conservatism (like trying to shut down the government). I don’t see how he plays nice for four years while preserving his brand. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2016, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/914 "2016-04-23T16:41:04Z")
[When the Gov. of Maine hates you, you’ve really hit bottom.](http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/23/politics/maine-republican-delegates-unity-ticket-gop-governor/) > [@](#): > > Though he singled out Sawyer in his statement, LePage said the actions were emblematic of the Cruz campaign. “As we have seen throughout the country, Cruz’s national campaign is run by greedy political hoooligans.” > “I can’t stand by and watch as Cruz and the Republican Establishment forcibly overrule the votes of Mainers who chose Trump and Kasich,” he said. “I call on Senator Cruz to condemn Sawyer’s disrespectful and dishonest tactics in Maine.” Ever try to imagine Cruz in drag? [Wonder no more.](https://www.yahoo.com/news/a-brief-history-of-the-1413063394852918.html) 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2016, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/915 "2016-04-23T20:38:16Z")
From the [Burnt Orange Report](http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/32055/loser-ted-cruz-mathematically-cant-win-gop-nomination-before-the-convention) (burnt orange & white are UT’s colors) > [@](#): > > Ted Cruz has been having a bad week. Not only did he lose the New York primary, he lost so badly that Ben Carson, who’s not even running for president anymore, beat him in part of Westchester. The loss completely shut him out of receiving any delegates from New York, leading to a very important development: It is now mathematically impossible for Ted Cruz to win the Republican nomination prior to the convention. > > According to the Associated Press, there are not enough delegates in the remaining primary states for Cruz to win the 1,237 needed to clinch the Republican nomination on the first ballot. Ted Cruz needs 678 more delegates, but only 674 remain. > > Turns out, when you insult “New York values,” New Yorkers will respond in kind. And this time, they responded by making Ted Cruz’s loser status official, at least for now. The article goes on to explain how he’s hoping to “win” at the convention. And adds this reminder: > [@](#): > > Of course, as we Texans know, Ted Cruz is used to sneaking in from second place to first. Remember, he received fewer votes than David Dewhurst in the Republican primary race for his senate seat. He got just enough votes to keep Dewhurst from an outright majority, forcing a runoff. Then, he made the low turnout in the runoff work to his advantage, firing up just enough right wing voters that he edged Dewhurst out. **Ted Cruz effectively _won_ his senate seat with just 631,316 votes — or only 4.8% of the total number of registered voters in Texas.** That is, becoming the Republican nominee for senator meant he would win the election. Because everyone knows that Republicans always win statewide elections here. So lotsa Texans get too depressed to vote… ---
**Author:** ![Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambrosio_Spinola)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2016, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/916 "2016-04-23T21:46:40Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > The article goes on to explain how he’s hoping to “win” at the convention. And adds this reminder: Exactly - Cruz may very well end up being the nominee, but if he is, he will have done so by wresting it away from the guy who won the primary contest (I understand that there’s winning and then there’s _winning_, but Trump is going to have won the most states, votes, and delegates even if he doesn’t have a majority). I know a couple of people who loathe Trump and love Cruz, but at this point they are basically resigned to Trump on the theory that if Trump isn’t the nominee, everyone just wasted all their time voting. The Republican primary electorate isn’t exactly known for its pragmatism, but that’s a pretty powerful argument against Cruz at this point IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2016, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/917 "2016-04-25T03:33:44Z")
Cruz and Kasich announce they are publicly dividing up the states to defeat Trump. > **[Cruz, Kasich join forces to stop Trump](https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/277463-cruz-kasich-unveil-coordinated-strategy-to-split-states/)** > > The Kasich and Cruz campaigns have a joint strategy for Oregon, Indiana and New Mexico. ---
**Author:** ![Shalmanese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/45deac/32.png) [@Shalmanese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shalmanese)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2016, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/918 "2016-04-25T05:33:22Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Cruz and Kasich announce they are publicly dividing up the states to defeat Drumpf. > [http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/277463-cruz-kasich-unveil-coordinated-strategy-to-split-states](http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/277463-cruz-kasich-unveil-coordinated-strategy-to-split-states) What took them so long? ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2016, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/919 "2016-04-25T05:44:55Z")
If they’re willing to work together … A Cruz/Kasich ticket would be a really strong combo in the general. Republicans can tell themselves that they voted for the sensible “moderate” and overlook Cruz’s rancid personality. At least this way, the Pubs would have a team they could support, unlike Trump who is … well, I was going to say, a gameshow host, but I _like_ game show hosts, so … ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2016, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/920 "2016-04-25T06:28:46Z")
Sounds to me like Cruz got spooked by NY, and finally got desperate enough to work it out with Kasich. It took them long enough. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774.md?page=45) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774.md?page=47)