# Ted Cruz Presidential campaign discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 23, 2015, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774 "2015-03-23T14:47:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 47
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2016, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/921 "2016-04-25T09:54:25Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Why would we want to do something that would get more Americans killed and greatly weaken the entire country, which is the lesson learned from the past 15 years? Because it worked out so well for the Russians and the British. But any day now, it’ll be “hearts and flowers”. Any day now. We just have to keep going. Yep. Speaking of the British: former London Mayor, would-be Tory Prime Minister and carefully-cultivated-affable-goofball-persona’d Boris Johnson took umbrage to President Obama’s comments encouraging the UK to stay in the EU. Johnson commented that Obama’s removal of a bust of Churchill from the Oval Office was due to an [“ancestral dislike of the British Empire”.](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36112694) > [@BoJo](#): > > No-one was sure whether the president had himself been involved in the decision […] Some said it was a snub to Britain. Some said it was a symbol of the part-Kenyan president’s ancestral dislike of the British Empire - of which Churchill had been such a fervent defender. “Some said” that, apparently. Boris insists that the comment was entirely about British colonial history but for some strange reason, some over-sensitive people thought they heard dog whistle overtones in the phrase “part-Kenyan”. I can’t imagine why. I mean, it’s not like Johnson has ever used [questionable language](http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/jan/23/london.race) with [racial overtones](http://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/boris-says-sorry-over-blacks-have-lower-iqs-article-in-the-spectator-6630340.html) before. (Incidentally, Obama did return a bust of Churchill - and a bunch of other art on loan to GWB from Tony Blair - to the UK at the beginning of his presidency, but as the first link notes another Churchill bust belonging to the White House is being kept in Obama’s own residence.) ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2016, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/922 "2016-04-25T10:51:19Z")
> [@Ambrosio\_Spinola](#): > > Exactly - Cruz may very well end up being the nominee, but if he is, he will have done so by wresting it away from the guy who won the primary contest (I understand that there’s winning and then there’s _winning_, but Trump is going to have won the most states, votes, and delegates even if he doesn’t have a majority). I know a couple of people who loathe Trump and love Cruz, but at this point they are basically resigned to Trump on the theory that if Trump isn’t the nominee, everyone just wasted all their time voting. The Republican primary electorate isn’t exactly known for its pragmatism, but that’s a pretty powerful argument against Cruz at this point IMHO. To add to this, Cruz will have had poor showings in all of the states that matter in November. In a typical election year, a party would be wise to nominate the candidate who has had a strong showing in states like Florida, Virginia, Ohio, and Pennsylvania. That hasn’t been Cruz. ---
**Author:** ![asahi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asahi/32/8693_2.png) [@asahi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asahi)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2016, 10:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/923 "2016-04-25T10:54:39Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > If they’re willing to work together … A Cruz/Kasich ticket would be a really strong combo in the general. Republicans can tell themselves that they voted for the sensible “moderate” and overlook Cruz’s rancid personality. At least this way, the Pubs would have a team they could support, unlike Trump who is … well, I was going to say, a gameshow host, but I _like_ game show hosts, so … They can work together if they want. That doesn’t mean Donald Trump and his supporters will accept the outcome of a convention floor fight. I could totally see Trump and his voters revolting and forming a third party just to sabotage the GOP. And if they did it, November would be an absolute electoral bloodbath for the republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2016, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/924 "2016-04-25T11:13:04Z")
Bah. I thought I was in the SRIOTD thread for the previous post, hence the digression on BoJo. Pfeh. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2016, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/925 "2016-04-25T13:44:45Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > They can work together if they want. That doesn’t mean Donald Trump and his supporters will accept the outcome of a convention floor fight. I could totally see Trump and his voters revolting and forming a third party just to sabotage the GOP. And if they did it, November would be an absolute electoral bloodbath for the republicans. They can’t even manage their delegates, you think they can get on the ballot in 50 states(or even 20 states), before deadlines, starting in July? That takes a lot more organization than is possible for that crowd. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2016, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/926 "2016-04-25T14:02:33Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > They can’t even manage their delegates, you think they can get on the ballot in 50 states(or even 20 states), before deadlines, starting in July? That takes a lot more organization than is possible for that crowd. Pretty sure managing delegates is a lot harder than getting placed on the ballot ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2016, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/927 "2016-04-25T14:07:18Z")
Depends on the state and the deadline. Getting on the ballot requires some serious organizing, as well as spending money. Trump has refused to do both, and his rabble is not organized enough to do it on his behalf. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2016, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/928 "2016-04-25T14:28:41Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > They can work together if they want. That doesn’t mean Donald Trump and his supporters will accept the outcome of a convention floor fight. I could totally see Trump and his voters revolting and forming a third party just to sabotage the GOP. And if they did it, November would be an absolute electoral bloodbath for the republicans. We can only hope. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2016, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/929 "2016-04-25T15:54:05Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > Depends on the state and the deadline. Getting on the ballot requires some serious organizing, as well as spending money. Trump has refused to do both, and his rabble is not organized enough to do it on his behalf. “How can he \ when he can’t even \?” generally means 2 is a lot easier than 1. Vetting hundreds of delegates then shepherding them through 50 different delegate selection processes is not an easy task. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2016, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/930 "2016-04-25T16:00:00Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > “How can he \ when he can’t even \?” generally means 2 is a lot easier than 1. Vetting hundreds of delegates then shepherding them through 50 different delegate selection processes is not an easy task. Since Trump hires all the best people, it should be a piece of cake. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2016, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/931 "2016-04-25T16:03:46Z")
It’s not a piece of cake for even the best people. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2016, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/932 "2016-04-25T16:06:04Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > What took them so long? It’s been a while since I saw one of these so I’ll just issue a note, here. That ‘Drumpf’ extension could have gotten you a warning, Shalamanese. Please pay attention to it in the future. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2016, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/933 "2016-04-25T16:14:33Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Cruz and Kasich announce they are publicly dividing up the states to defeat Trump. > [http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/277463-cruz-kasich-unveil-coordinated-strategy-to-split-states](http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/277463-cruz-kasich-unveil-coordinated-strategy-to-split-states) Quite honestly, I don’t see how Kasich thinks he can trust Cruz to follow through on this. If, following Indiana, Cruz feels it will be to his advantage to make an effort in Oregon and New Mexico, then he will, and he won’t think about his promise for more than a split-second. ---
**Author:** ![YogSothoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/8edcca/32.png) [@YogSothoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YogSothoth)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2016, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/934 "2016-04-25T16:36:03Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Quite honestly, I don’t see how Kasich thinks he can trust Cruz to follow through on this. If, following Indiana, Cruz feels it will be to his advantage to make an effort in Oregon and New Mexico, then he will, and he won’t think about his promise for more than a split-second. As much as I think Cruz is untrustworthy, he has nothing to gain from double crossing Kasich. Cruz is already mathematically eliminated from winning, his ONLY chance is a contested convention. He’s a slimeball, but he knows tricks, and he knows he will gain nothing from double crossing Kasich. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/935 "2016-04-26T00:16:02Z")
> [@Shalmanese](#): > > > [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > > > Cruz and Kasich announce they are publicly dividing up the states to defeat Drumpf. > > [http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/277463-cruz-kasich-unveil-coordinated-strategy-to-split-states](http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/277463-cruz-kasich-unveil-coordinated-strategy-to-split-states) > > What took them so long? When you quote another poster, kill the app that changes Trump’s name. You are changing text within a quote box and that will garner you Warnings if it continues. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/936 "2016-04-26T23:54:01Z")
Minor thing: Cruz is giving a speech in Indiana and referred to a basketball hoop as a ring. Several times. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2016, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/937 "2016-04-26T23:55:51Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Minor thing: Cruz is giving a speech in Indiana and referred to a basketball hoop as a ring. Several times. 😃 I have it on mute. I am confused as to why everyone, including the camera person, turned to look at the guy who appeared to be measuring the height of the basket. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/938 "2016-04-27T00:00:50Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I have it on mute. I am confused as to why everyone, including the camera person, turned to look at the guy who appeared to be measuring the height of the basket. Cruz was trying to make a point about the height of the [del]hoop[/del] ring was the same in Indiana as in NY. What that proves I have no idea as I also engaged the mute. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/939 "2016-04-27T00:03:55Z")
Well, then you missed it. It proves that Hoosiers can do anything! Without that, its no wonder you didn’t catch the drift. Sort of ties it all together. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2016, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/940 "2016-04-27T00:15:13Z")
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