# Ted Cruz Presidential campaign discussion thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 23, 2015, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774 "2015-03-23T14:47:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 54
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/1061 "2016-05-04T01:58:58Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > 😛 > > Gotta say, for someone as devout as Cruz is supposed to be, finding out that God doesn’t want you to be President must sting a little. Must be one of those mysterious ways. Or God was playing a prank. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/1062 "2016-05-04T02:00:16Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > The ink was barely dry on the Cruz/Fiorina signs. Stolen from Twitter: Cruz only brought on Fiorina to downsize his staff. ---
**Author:** ![DJ\_Motorbike](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/90ced4/32.png) [@DJ\_Motorbike](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DJ_Motorbike)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 8:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/1063 "2016-05-04T08:40:34Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > No one who calls Sanders that has any credibility. It is not even defensible as hyperbole. Calling Trump a fascist would be defensible as hyperbole. Calling Sanders a communist is a category error. Meh. Matter of degree. (Democratic) Socialists come to government authoritarianism honestly - thorough elections. Communists take it by force. Sanders isn’t a take-charge kind of guy. He would if he could, but he ain’t that guy. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 8:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/1064 "2016-05-04T08:49:12Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > To think that the GOP race was over before the Dems…shows how GOP still does fall in line, not love. And how whiny liberals are to keep peddling a communist Yes, it’s terrible how the Democrats are considering a populist with unrealistic policies as a serious contender for president. You’d never catch the Republicans doing something like that. Also rather funny to hear the Dems accused of potential authoritarianism just after the guy who wants to allow the government to investigate anyone who criticizes him got handed the GOP nomination on a plate. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/1065 "2016-05-04T09:24:43Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Gotta say, for someone as devout as Cruz is supposed to be, finding out that God doesn’t want you to be President must sting a little. Paraphrased from an old Onion headline: “Cruz’ prayer answered. “No,” says God.” ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/1066 "2016-05-04T09:59:43Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > I wonder where Cruz goes from here. He will return, sleeping, dreaming, to his house at R’lyeh, until strange aeons. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/1067 "2016-05-04T16:53:09Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > He will return to the Abyss to slumber and feed, at least until the next Senate session. Texas orphanages should double-check the locks on their doors. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/1068 "2016-05-04T21:21:15Z")
> [@River\_Hippie](#): > > … I loathe Trump but Cruz would have been so much worse. I think the word you are looking for (based on is -6 net favorability) is **DETESTED** ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/1069 "2016-05-04T22:03:22Z")
Did you see [this confrontation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkCifM0kDd0) between Ted Cruz and a Trump supporter on the street in Indiana? The guy calls Cruz “Lyin’ Ted” among other insults. Ted Cruz, “America is a better country.” “Without you,” the guy replies. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/1070 "2016-05-04T22:08:29Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Did you see [this confrontation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkCifM0kDd0) between Ted Cruz and a Trump supporter on the street in Indiana? The guy calls Cruz “Lyin’ Ted” among other insults. > > Ted Cruz, “America is a better country.” > “Without you,” the guy replies. Heh. Cruz thinks to himself “maybe I don’t like America so much”. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/1071 "2016-05-04T22:10:50Z")
I almost felt sorry for Ted Cruz. But then again, I’ve heard worse about him from members of Congress and other high-ranking members of his party. He’s got to know that he’s widely disliked. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/1072 "2016-05-04T22:21:23Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > I almost felt sorry for Ted Cruz. But then again, I’ve heard worse about him from members of Congress and other high-ranking members of his party. He’s got to know that he’s \*\*widely \*\*disliked. I think the word is “universally”. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2016, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/1073 "2016-05-04T23:49:29Z")
Ah, now the classic tweets, [QUOTE=@Full Frontal] Shouldn’t #TedCruz have been forced to carry his nonviable campaign to term? [/QUOTE] (not that he was ever in any danger of getting an actual term) ---
**Author:** ![Defensive\_Indifference](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/defensive_indifference/32/6502_2.png) [@Defensive\_Indifference](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Defensive_Indifference)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/1074 "2016-05-05T00:21:20Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > 😛 > > Gotta say, for someone as devout as Cruz is supposed to be, finding out that God doesn’t want you to be President must sting a little. Worse yet, God apparently wanted him to mount a massive campaign effort just so he could get schlonged by Donald Fucking Trump. God, like everyone else, must really hate Ted Cruz. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/1075 "2016-05-05T22:55:57Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Did you see [this confrontation](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkCifM0kDd0) between Ted Cruz and a Trump supporter on the street in Indiana? The guy calls Cruz “Lyin’ Ted” among other insults. > > Ted Cruz, “America is a better country.” > “Without you,” the guy replies. That interview is interesting. The protesters get in a few good zingers and well placed spout offs. Through it, Cruz remains civil, polite, calm, and focused on target. He addresses comments and claims and directly shows how the issues they say are important, Donald has been on the side they don’t like. Such as the Wall, where Donald said to the New York Times he wasn’t really going to build a wall and deport millions of illegal immigrants. Or when the protester says that Cruz wants to “carpet bomb women and children”, and Cruz puts him on the spot that he added the “women and children” part because that is what will happen. Cruz points out that it is Donald Trump that actually stated he wants American soldiers to target the wives and children of the terrorists, and when asked during a debate what will happen when American soldiers don’t want commit a war crime, he said he would order them to do it and they would do it. Then Cruz points out he said carpet bomb ISIS and terrorist camps and oil fields, not women and children. But edited clips make it look like Cruz was pwned. As a debate, he won it hands down. Of course the protesters were less interested in facts and more interested in showing up Cruz and putting him down. I doubt any of his comments got through to any of those people. ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/1076 "2016-05-05T23:45:56Z")
Nitpick: Carpet bombing ISIS would mean bombing women and children, because ISIS has embedded themselves in civilian populations. So, the answer to the question, “Which candidate is a would-be war criminal, Trump or Cruz?”, the answer is: both. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2016, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/1077 "2016-05-05T23:58:39Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > I doubt any of his comments got through to any of those people. As always, you cannot reason someone out of a position he did not reason himself into. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_stamos_left_ear/32/3198_2.png) [@John\_Stamos\_Left\_Ear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Stamos_Left_Ear)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/1078 "2016-05-06T02:26:15Z")
> [@DerekMichaels00](#): > > To think that the GOP race was over before the Dems…shows how GOP still does fall in line, not love. And how whiny liberals are to keep peddling a communist That is terrible. I mean how you don’t know what a Communist is yet still [attempt to speak authoritatively](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect) on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/1079 "2016-05-06T11:03:37Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > Or when the protester says that Cruz wants to “carpet bomb women and children”, and Cruz puts him on the spot that he added the “women and children” part because that is what will happen. Cruz points out that it is Donald Trump that actually stated he wants American soldiers to target the wives and children of the terrorists, and when asked during a debate what will happen when American soldiers don’t want commit a war crime, he said he would order them to do it and they would do it. Then Cruz points out he said carpet bomb ISIS and terrorist camps and oil fields, not women and children. Given Ted’s [confusion over terminology](http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/dec/16/ted-cruz/ted-cruz-misfires-definition-carpet-bombing-gop-de/) I’m not sure he really won any sort of debate. It’s a common tactic of the more hawkish to pretend that the enemy we’re fighting will line up nice and neatly on the battlefield and that all we have to do with drop more bombs (very precisely) on them and then we’ll win and the current guy-in-charge isn’t doing that because he’s too much of a bleeding-hearted wimp who loves terrorists rather than because the whole concept is based on utter fantasy and the real situation is far too complex to be resolved by just bombing the shit out of somebody. But hey, how about those protesters? What’s up with _those_ guys? ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2016, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774/1080 "2016-05-06T11:48:38Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > That interview is interesting. The protesters get in a few good zingers and well placed spout offs. Through it, Cruz remains civil, polite, calm, and focused on target. > [@Irishman](#): > > As a debate, he won it hands down. Of course the protesters were less interested in facts and more interested in showing up Cruz and putting him down. I doubt any of his comments got through to any of those people. I actually felt bad for Ted there. You are right… he was calm and level-headed while face to face with ignorant grunts hiding behind cheap sunglasses. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774.md?page=53) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-presidential-campaign-discussion-thread/715774.md?page=55)