# Ted Cruz says Texas should secede and "take the military" if Democrats "destroy the country **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 10, 2021, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-says-texas-should-secede-and-take-the-military-if-democrats-destroy-the-country/954094 "2021-11-10T05:39:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-says-texas-should-secede-and-take-the-military-if-democrats-destroy-the-country/954094/41 "2021-11-10T19:46:26Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Jabba the Hutt with a beard. I saw him referred to as “Fat Wolverine”. Made me chuckle. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-says-texas-should-secede-and-take-the-military-if-democrats-destroy-the-country/954094/42 "2021-11-10T20:18:58Z")
Not every thread can be about China. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-says-texas-should-secede-and-take-the-military-if-democrats-destroy-the-country/954094/43 "2021-11-10T20:31:05Z")
Um…ok, that’s true. Did you know that ducks on a pond can look calm yet their feet are going a mile a minute (slight exaggeration) beneath the waves? I got that bit of wisdom from The Replacements, and I’ve found it’s words to live by. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-says-texas-should-secede-and-take-the-military-if-democrats-destroy-the-country/954094/44 "2021-11-10T20:48:10Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > You do realize that if a red state secedes, and has the whole former military, while the new 49-state blue USA has no military, that the red state could promptly begin conquering or striking at will? I am not sure what “conquering or striking at will” really means in the USA, but if it is like you did in Irak or Afghanistan it does not look attractive. Of course, only if you look. > [@enipla](#): > > I assume Cruz means the military in TX. Not the entire country. Is it really so that all the servicemen in Texas are Texans, and no Texan is stationed in wherever else? That is a neat solution! ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-says-texas-should-secede-and-take-the-military-if-democrats-destroy-the-country/954094/45 "2021-11-10T21:31:46Z")
Somehow, I just don’t see the US “giving” III Corps to Texas. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2021, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-says-texas-should-secede-and-take-the-military-if-democrats-destroy-the-country/954094/46 "2021-11-10T22:24:20Z")
I think rather that the US military will give it to Texas, as it were. ---
**Author:** ![betonbill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b782af/32.png) [@betonbill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betonbill)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-says-texas-should-secede-and-take-the-military-if-democrats-destroy-the-country/954094/47 "2021-11-11T00:50:00Z")
Pay Mexico to take Texas back. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-says-texas-should-secede-and-take-the-military-if-democrats-destroy-the-country/954094/48 "2021-11-11T16:11:42Z")
Seditionist John Eastman, author of the plan to overthrow the government by throwing the election to Trump - has a plan for that, too. > **[The Seditionist’s Cookbook](https://www.thebulwark.com/the-seditionists-cookbook/)** > > Is violence an essential element of the populist right’s political agenda? To claim otherwise has become increasingly difficult. A manifesto co-authored by John Eastman—the Trump lawyer who was forced to resign as dean of Chapman University Law... And they’ve published it in MAGAWorld. > **[How States Could Constitutionally Assume Abandoned Responsibilities of the...](https://amgreatness.com/2021/08/10/how-states-could-constitutionally-assume-abandoned-responsibilities-of-the-national-government/)** > > The COVID pandemic has witnessed the exercise of state “police powers” on a scale and scope unprecedented in America’s peacetime history. Out of fear of contagion, massive amounts of private property… I don’t necessarily think that this is the plan they will go with. I don’t think they are going to secede, per se. But I do think that if the Supremes rule against some of their increasingly audacious legislation, they will push back in some way rather than complying, possibly resorting in some sort of showdown. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-says-texas-should-secede-and-take-the-military-if-democrats-destroy-the-country/954094/49 "2021-11-11T19:35:03Z")
As I’ve said elsewhere: if the bulk of red Texans want to leave the US of A because Orange Julius Caesar was not installed as Emperor of America, fine. I’ll wave bye-bye as they sail off from Brownsville. They just don’t get to take their land with them. Lots of empty houses. Bitchen yard sales! ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-says-texas-should-secede-and-take-the-military-if-democrats-destroy-the-country/954094/50 "2021-11-11T22:45:59Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > They just don’t get to take their land with them. Lots of empty houses. Bitchen yard sales! And lots of people just across the border who WANT to be citizens of the USA. ---
**Author:** ![EastUmpqua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eastumpqua/32/6025_2.png) [@EastUmpqua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EastUmpqua)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-says-texas-should-secede-and-take-the-military-if-democrats-destroy-the-country/954094/51 "2021-11-11T23:00:41Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Wouldn’t it make more sense for conservatives to try to forcibly eject the liberal states (such as the liberal west coast of California + Oregon + Washington) out of the Union? Then with all those electoral votes gone, they’d dominate presidential elections and Congress of the remaining 47-state United States permanently. I like the point you just made - splitting up the US isn’t an option. Let people vote with the understanding that it’s fair. Let the pendulum swing. ---
**Author:** ![EastUmpqua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eastumpqua/32/6025_2.png) [@EastUmpqua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EastUmpqua)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-says-texas-should-secede-and-take-the-military-if-democrats-destroy-the-country/954094/52 "2021-11-11T23:42:46Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I think rather that the US military will give it to Texas, as it were. Hey, I speak English pretty good, so I know what all the words mean, but I don’t understand what this sentence means. Could you elaborate? ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-says-texas-should-secede-and-take-the-military-if-democrats-destroy-the-country/954094/53 "2021-11-11T23:47:15Z")
Give it to them like “X is Gonna Give It to Ya.” IE “it” means “the business.” ---
**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-says-texas-should-secede-and-take-the-military-if-democrats-destroy-the-country/954094/54 "2021-11-11T23:54:11Z")
I wonder what they’re going to take the military with. ---
**Author:** ![EastUmpqua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eastumpqua/32/6025_2.png) [@EastUmpqua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EastUmpqua)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-says-texas-should-secede-and-take-the-military-if-democrats-destroy-the-country/954094/55 "2021-11-11T23:54:35Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > Give it to them like “X is Gonna Give It to Ya.” IE “it” means “the business.” OK I think I get it. He’s just saying that the US Government will continue to invest in military infrastructure, even in the military facilities are in Texas. Euphonious, is this accurate? ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2021, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-says-texas-should-secede-and-take-the-military-if-democrats-destroy-the-country/954094/56 "2021-11-11T23:58:57Z")
South Carolina tried to take a military fortification with them. How’d that turn out? ---
**Author:** ![kitap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b9e5f3/32.png) [@kitap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kitap)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-says-texas-should-secede-and-take-the-military-if-democrats-destroy-the-country/954094/57 "2021-11-12T00:00:00Z")
Think of all the businesses that would leave. I can’t imagine American Airlines and Southwest Airlines staying, to be honest. And everyone having to get passports to visit the US. Import taxes. And football! Would they be able to compete in the FCS? Would they stay in the NCAA? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-says-texas-should-secede-and-take-the-military-if-democrats-destroy-the-country/954094/58 "2021-11-12T00:05:28Z")
> [@EastUmpqua](#): > > OK I think I get it. He’s just saying that the US Government will continue to invest in military infrastructure, even in the military facilities are in Texas. Euphonious, is this accurate? More along the lines of “The US military will turn Texas into a close facsimile of Fallujah.” To tell the truth you could drop every bomb on the planet on West Texas and it would only improve the place. ---
**Author:** ![EastUmpqua](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eastumpqua/32/6025_2.png) [@EastUmpqua](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EastUmpqua)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-says-texas-should-secede-and-take-the-military-if-democrats-destroy-the-country/954094/59 "2021-11-12T00:12:58Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > To tell the truth you could drop every bomb on the planet on West Texas and it would only improve the place. Wow. I’ve travelled to El Paso for work. Yo hablo algo de Español. Silenus, you might want to seek help. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2021, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-says-texas-should-secede-and-take-the-military-if-democrats-destroy-the-country/954094/60 "2021-11-12T00:17:40Z")
> [@kitap](#): > > And football! Would they be able to compete in the FCS? Would they stay in the NCAA? OK, NOW you’re playing dirty! You’d have Ted Cruz by the short-and-curlys there. [Eeew!] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-says-texas-should-secede-and-take-the-military-if-democrats-destroy-the-country/954094.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-cruz-says-texas-should-secede-and-take-the-military-if-democrats-destroy-the-country/954094.md?page=4)