# Ted Haggard is a Big Fat Hypocrite **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 28, 2009, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggard-is-a-big-fat-hypocrite/483442 "2009-01-28T21:39:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggard-is-a-big-fat-hypocrite/483442/41 "2009-01-29T05:00:56Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > Well, he’s read the bible and believes it. There’s a belief among some Christians that there’s a huge difference in the sin of a sinful act between knowing it is sinful and not knowing it is sinful. If you don’t believe gay sex is sinful then you won’t be held accountable. Then why do those bastards keep screaming it in everyone’s ear ? They’re ruining it for everyone ! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggard-is-a-big-fat-hypocrite/483442/42 "2009-01-29T05:29:58Z")
He should just switch sides and use his business acumen to bilk an LGBT NGO. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 5:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggard-is-a-big-fat-hypocrite/483442/43 "2009-01-29T05:40:37Z")
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**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggard-is-a-big-fat-hypocrite/483442/44 "2009-01-29T05:55:52Z")
[quote=“Kimstu, post:43, topic:483442”] [quote=The[/QUOTE] Yes? ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggard-is-a-big-fat-hypocrite/483442/45 "2009-01-29T06:22:41Z")
[quote=“Kimstu, post:43, topic:483442”] [quote=The[/QUOTE] Jesus, Kimstu, calm down. ---
**Author:** ![neutron\_star](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/51bf81/32.png) [@neutron\_star](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/neutron_star)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggard-is-a-big-fat-hypocrite/483442/46 "2009-01-29T06:38:02Z")
> [@outside\_artist](#): > > That’s really helpful. I’m so glad you took the time to respond. Well, it would appear that you’ve been having this problem for some five-and-a-half years, so I figured you might want to know. ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggard-is-a-big-fat-hypocrite/483442/47 "2009-01-29T06:46:49Z")
I must say that [Haggard’s entry in Conservapedia is depressingly academic.](http://www.conservapedia.com/Ted_Haggard) The closest it comes to anything that can be called a “gem” is this: > [@](#): > > In February of 2008, Haggard requested that his oversight and counseling by the New Life Church recovery program be ended.[5] The representatives of New Life Church agreed to his request, but Pastor Brady Boyd issued a statement[6] saying they believe that the termination of the relationship is premature without elaborating. Earlier in the process, church leaders had said they assumed that Haggard’s recovery could take several years, and in the 2008 statement, they remained convinced that he should not return to any church ministry. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggard-is-a-big-fat-hypocrite/483442/48 "2009-01-29T06:52:37Z")
[quote=Liberal] [quote=“Kimstu, post:43, topic:483442”] > [@The\[/QUOTE](#): > > Jesus, Kimstu, calm down. 🙂 So **that** ’s what happened to that post! Never seen that before. What I was trying to say is that Ted Haggard’s reluctance to “judge others” for their homosexuality seems to be a pretty recent development, as the [wiki page’s section on his ministry teachings about homosexuality](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard#Teachings_on_homosexuality) indicates. It seems perfectly possible to me that if this guy hadn’t been caught with his own dick in the candy jar, he’d still be perfectly happy to strut around publicly condemning homosexuality in a completely hypocritical manner. Yes, if this experience really has made him a more honest and tolerant person, then that’s a good thing, but his past record is not in his favor on the honesty-and-tolerance issue. ---
**Author:** ![Nametag](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nametag/32/406_2.png) [@Nametag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nametag)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 7:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggard-is-a-big-fat-hypocrite/483442/49 "2009-01-29T07:40:28Z")
Guys, you’re jumping to conclusions. [Ted Haggard is Completely Heterosexual](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZmHC75FDqQ&feature=related). ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 8:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggard-is-a-big-fat-hypocrite/483442/50 "2009-01-29T08:20:14Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > So, no possibility that he may be bisexual, and just needs to settle on a team? So you are saying that bisexuality is not real, and that all bisexuals “need” to choose either hetero- or homo- as their permanent sexual orientation? If so, that is your personal moral viewpoint, and not supported by science. It was back in 1948 that Dr. Kinsey showed that there is a continuum of sexuality, with most people somewhere along the middle part of this range. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggard-is-a-big-fat-hypocrite/483442/51 "2009-01-29T14:11:01Z")
> [@t-bonham@scc.net](#): > > So you are saying that bisexuality is not real, and that all bisexuals “need” to choose either hetero- or homo- as their permanent sexual orientation? > > If so, that is your personal moral viewpoint, and not supported by science. It was back in 1948 that Dr. Kinsey showed that there is a continuum of sexuality, with most people somewhere along the middle part of this range. Whooosh! Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggard-is-a-big-fat-hypocrite/483442/52 "2009-01-29T14:18:38Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I’ve broken away from perusing my collection of Brad Pitt photos to make the point that I’m not gay. And even as I ponder bowing before Brad’s manly visage, clutching his sinewy thighs as I mash my face against the spongy bulge straining against the soft fabric of his Downy fresh jeans, I am grateful that but for the grace of God, there would go I in the footsteps of those horrible faggots. Did you mean \*mincing \*in the footsteps … ? > [@Rubystreak](#): > > This is the TV equivalent of “I was holding it for a friend!” That sounds pretty gay, when you think about it. ---
**Author:** ![aldiboronti](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9fc348/32.png) [@aldiboronti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aldiboronti)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggard-is-a-big-fat-hypocrite/483442/53 "2009-01-29T14:33:08Z")
So the guy insists he isn’t gay. So the fuck what? Is it the business of other people to tell him he’s wrong? What’s the difference between this and telling a gay man that he’s really straight, he just doesn’t realize it? Straight, gay, who gives a shit? It’s the man’s own business. ---
**Author:** ![outside\_artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/7993a0/32.png) [@outside\_artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outside_artist)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggard-is-a-big-fat-hypocrite/483442/54 "2009-01-29T14:47:00Z")
> [@](#): > > Well, it would appear that you’ve been having this problem for some five-and-a-half years, so I figured you might want to know. What do you mean? ---
**Author:** ![StuffLikeThatThere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc8723/32.png) [@StuffLikeThatThere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StuffLikeThatThere)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggard-is-a-big-fat-hypocrite/483442/55 "2009-01-29T15:46:42Z")
> [@salinqmind](#): > > I wanted to punch him in his goofy face, and then punch the wife. Don’t punch his wife. She’s doing the best she can, in my opinion. This is not what she signed up for. She thought she was marrying a straight evangelical Christian boy with aspirations of being a preacher. Now she’s got a disgraced hypocrite who isn’t accepted by any particular group of people that I can think of, and who cheated on her repeatedly with a professional escort and tried to get it on with a church volunteer. That’s plenty, without wondering if your husband of yay-many years was ever really attracted to you in the first place. And she believes that she is bound to stay with this man as long as he will have her, and help him with his problems and fight for his causes. Cheerfully. She’s doin’ the best she can, man. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggard-is-a-big-fat-hypocrite/483442/56 "2009-01-29T16:08:25Z")
> [@Jaglavak](#): > > [Oldie But Goodie](http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33540) I’m positive that when they first ran that article, it was titled “Why do all these faggots keep sucking my cock?” with the word “homosexuals” also replaced thusly throughout the article—which, in context, I felt was was much funnier, but I guess some fa.. er, homosexual must’ve missed the satire and complained. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f4b2a3/32.png) [@Don\_t\_Call\_Me\_Shirley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Call_Me_Shirley)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggard-is-a-big-fat-hypocrite/483442/57 "2009-01-29T16:28:52Z")
> [@StuffLikeThatThere](#): > > And she believes that she is bound to stay with this man as long as he will have her, and help him with his problems and fight for his causes. Cheerfully. …and contract all his STDs (assuming he ever has sex with her). ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggard-is-a-big-fat-hypocrite/483442/58 "2009-01-29T16:38:18Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > So the guy insists he isn’t gay. So the fuck what? Is it the business of other people to tell him he’s wrong? What’s the difference between this and telling a gay man that he’s really straight, he just doesn’t realize it? > > Straight, gay, who gives a shit? It’s the man’s own business. It’s not just his business when he’s made a career out of condemning Teh Ghey. And if the gay man kept having sex with women, we’d be asking the same questions. Just not as nastily, because he probably wouldn’t be thundering out sermons against the terrible straights. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggard-is-a-big-fat-hypocrite/483442/59 "2009-01-29T16:52:05Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > Why the hell are you people watching Oprah? Pit yourselves! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggard-is-a-big-fat-hypocrite/483442/60 "2009-01-29T17:53:48Z")
> [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](#): > > Repeatedly? Yes I know, but how often. And did he have to take drugs to go along with it ? Hell, I can’t be sure. But I’ve always had difficulty with the notion that you are one way or the other and completely ignoring bisexuality. Speaking as someone who’s bisexual, I strongly doubt that Ted Haggard is bi. Considering what the guy had to lose if he got caught having gay sex, it doesn’t make a lot of sense for him to go picking up male prostitutes if he was capable of having fulfilling sexual relationships with women. I’m not ruling it out entirely, because people do all sorts of stupid things with their dicks if they think they can get away with it, but the odds are stacked against it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggard-is-a-big-fat-hypocrite/483442.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggard-is-a-big-fat-hypocrite/483442.md?page=4)