# Ted Haggard's wife responsible for his fall? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 10, 2006, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggards-wife-responsible-for-his-fall/379813 "2006-11-10T02:59:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Rico](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rico/32/3582_2.png) [@Rico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rico)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2006, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggards-wife-responsible-for-his-fall/379813/1 "2006-11-10T02:59:16Z")
I can’t believe this. The [Acts 29 Network](http://www.acts29network.org/) is putting forward the theory that Ted Haggard’s wife may have been responsible for his gay sex encounters. From [the founder of the Acts 29 network, Mark Driscoll](http://theresurgence.com/md_blog_2006-11-03_evangelical_leader_quits): > [@](#): > > Most pastors I know do not have satisfying, free, sexual conversations and liberties with their wives. At the risk of being even more widely despised than I currently am, I will lean over the plate and take one for the team on this. It is not uncommon to meet pastors’ wives who really let themselves go; they sometimes feel that because their husband is a pastor, he is therefore trapped into fidelity, which gives them cause for laziness. A wife who lets herself go and is not sexually available to her husband in the ways that the Song of Songs is so frank about is not responsible for her husband’s sin, but she may not be helping him either. So because Haggard was trapped into fidelity, Mrs. Haggard became lazy and didn’t submit to his lustful urges, so he had no choice but to go relieve himself elsewhere? It’s all her fault? What an asswipe. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2006, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggards-wife-responsible-for-his-fall/379813/2 "2006-11-10T03:05:34Z")
It _is_ all her fault. If she’d had a penis, he never would have had to hire that gay hooker! ---
**Author:** ![Talon\_Karrde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Talon\_Karrde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Talon_Karrde)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2006, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggards-wife-responsible-for-his-fall/379813/3 "2006-11-10T03:07:38Z")
What a creep. Check out this quote from their [doctrine](http://www.acts29network.org/about/doctrine/) page: > [@](#): > > We are not egalitarians and do believe that men should head their homes and male elders should lead their churches with masculine love like Jesus Christ. Masculine love, indeed. ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2006, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggards-wife-responsible-for-his-fall/379813/4 "2006-11-10T03:16:18Z")
> [@](#): > > I will lean over the plate and take one for the team on this. How absolutly Freudian. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2006, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggards-wife-responsible-for-his-fall/379813/5 "2006-11-10T03:18:43Z")
Well, have you ever seen any of those pastor’s wives, with their _breasts_ and their _vaginas_ and their not having a penis? Who can blame a guy? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2006, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggards-wife-responsible-for-his-fall/379813/6 "2006-11-10T03:33:44Z")
According to these photos, Mrs. Haggard has hardly “let herself go.” (She probably will not be getting any $10,000 offers from Hugh Hefner, but she appears to be a reasonably attractive 40-something housewife.) [http://www.newlifegroups.com/lc\_home.jsp](http://www.newlifegroups.com/lc_home.jsp) [http://alumniweb.oru.edu/oru%20alumni/images/right137-3b.JPG](http://alumniweb.oru.edu/oru%20alumni/images/right137-3b.JPG) [http://www.freetosoar.org/fts\_2007/images/people/ted\_gayle\_haggard.jpg](http://www.freetosoar.org/fts_2007/images/people/ted_gayle_haggard.jpg) I think that, perhaps, Mr. Driscoll should be permitted to speak to a couple of hundred pastors’ wives, alone, in a locked room, for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2006, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggards-wife-responsible-for-his-fall/379813/7 "2006-11-10T03:48:17Z")
Yeah, but if Mrs. Haggard had just been a male meth dealer, all this tiresome trouble could have been avoided, too. ---
**Author:** ![ultrafilter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3d9bf3/32.png) [@ultrafilter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ultrafilter)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2006, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggards-wife-responsible-for-his-fall/379813/8 "2006-11-10T03:49:13Z")
From [today’s Onion](http://www.theonion.com/content/node/55074): > [@](#): > > Maybe if his wife were a man who provided him with crystal meth, this poor guy wouldn’t have had to go searching for other ways to satisfy his urges. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2006, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggards-wife-responsible-for-his-fall/379813/9 "2006-11-10T04:01:09Z")
[QUOTE=ultrafilter] From [today’s Onion](http://www.theonion.com/content/node/55074): > [@](#): > > Maybe if his wife were a man who provided him with crystal meth, this poor guy wouldn’t have had to go searching for other ways to satisfy his urges. [/QUOTE] Great minds think alike, I see. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![ted\_baskerville\_yahoo.com](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecd19e/32.png) [@ted\_baskerville\_yahoo.com](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ted_baskerville_yahoo.com)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2006, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggards-wife-responsible-for-his-fall/379813/10 "2006-11-10T04:04:43Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] According to these photos, Mrs. Haggard has hardly “let herself go.” (She probably will not be getting any $10,000 offers from Hugh Hefner, but she appears to be a reasonably attractive 40-something housewife.) [http://www.newlifegroups.com/lc\_home.jsp](http://www.newlifegroups.com/lc_home.jsp) [http://alumniweb.oru.edu/oru%20alumni/images/right137-3b.JPG](http://alumniweb.oru.edu/oru%20alumni/images/right137-3b.JPG) [http://www.freetosoar.org/fts\_2007/images/people/ted\_gayle\_haggard.jpg](http://www.freetosoar.org/fts_2007/images/people/ted_gayle_haggard.jpg) [/QUOTE] And she will soon be single. And as a plus, I bet Ted already broke her in for getting fucked up the ass. (Remember that scene in Brokeback.) ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2006, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggards-wife-responsible-for-his-fall/379813/11 "2006-11-10T04:07:59Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] According to these photos, Mrs. Haggard has hardly “let herself go.” [/QUOTE] Seriously. I think she’s a cutie. Given some of the video footage I’ve seen, Haggard is the one who looks like he’s let himself go…as in “batshit insane”. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2006, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggards-wife-responsible-for-his-fall/379813/12 "2006-11-10T04:10:57Z")
[QUOTE=Loopydude] Seriously. I think she’s a cutie. [/QUOTE] A PWILF, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2006, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggards-wife-responsible-for-his-fall/379813/13 "2006-11-10T04:12:09Z")
Ouch. Now I feel all dirty. ---
**Author:** ![Rhubarb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/59ef9b/32.png) [@Rhubarb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhubarb)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2006, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggards-wife-responsible-for-his-fall/379813/14 "2006-11-10T04:18:45Z")
[QUOTE=Loopydude] Ouch. Now I feel all dirty. [/QUOTE] Well, sure, but in a _good_ way, right? ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2006, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggards-wife-responsible-for-his-fall/379813/15 "2006-11-10T04:25:35Z")
I dunno. Lemme look at those pictures again… ---
**Author:** ![Schuyler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/54ee81/32.png) [@Schuyler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Schuyler)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2006, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggards-wife-responsible-for-his-fall/379813/16 "2006-11-10T04:49:12Z")
[QUOTE=Rico’s quote of Mark Driscoll] It is not uncommon to meet pastors’ wives who really let themselves go; they sometimes feel that because their husband is a pastor, he is therefore trapped into fidelity, which gives them cause for laziness. [/QUOTE] I guess what he’s really telling us is that Haggard is just the first of many - get ready for a lot more of their pastors caught with gay meth-dealing prostitutes. Asswipe indeed!! ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2006, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggards-wife-responsible-for-his-fall/379813/17 "2006-11-10T06:43:28Z")
> [@That fucking sphinctergoblin Mark Driscoll](#): > > It is not uncommon to meet pastors’ wives who really let themselves go Unless Mr. Driscoll’s wife is a totally pathetic doormat, she needs to grab that shit-weasel by the lapels the moment he walks through his front door and demand to know precisely what the slippery fuck he thought he was saying here. ---
**Author:** ![Rhubarb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/59ef9b/32.png) [@Rhubarb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhubarb)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2006, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggards-wife-responsible-for-his-fall/379813/18 "2006-11-10T06:54:43Z")
[QUOTE=Cervaise] Unless Mr. Driscoll’s wife is a totally pathetic doormat, … [/QUOTE] Umm, didn’t you read the quotes upthread? Of course she is, it’s one of the cornerstones of their religion. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2006, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggards-wife-responsible-for-his-fall/379813/19 "2006-11-10T07:32:19Z")
[QUOTE=Frank] A PWILF, eh? [/QUOTE] Thanks ASSHOLE! I just shit my pants laughing. :mad: No, I mean it! :dubious: Who the fuck takes a shower at 11:30 at night? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![betenoir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/258eb7/32.png) [@betenoir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/betenoir)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2006, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggards-wife-responsible-for-his-fall/379813/20 "2006-11-10T10:10:04Z")
Er…wait a minute. I thought that was the ideal…what god intended. Nice Christian heterosexual unions. Now it turns out gay sex is better. I guess we do need legislation to protect straight marriage as it’s so much worse than gay whores. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ted-haggards-wife-responsible-for-his-fall/379813.md?page=2)