# Tell me about Michael Savage

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-michael-savage/495526>\
**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [May 6, 2009, 10:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-michael-savage/495526 "2009-05-06T10:10:48Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-michael-savage/495526/61 "2009-05-08T17:59:42Z")

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> [@Liberal](#):
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> 😃  
> Well, that’s sad, really. It looks like Britain is returning to the days of Henry VIII, when disagreeing with the king was intolerable.

Meh,

It’s their country, their borders, and their laws. Considering the list consisted of such people as Phelps and Savage, I really really can’t say the British did a bad thing here. They just don’t want our assholes in their country. 😃

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**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-michael-savage/495526/62 "2009-05-08T18:03:25Z")

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> [@SteveG1](#):
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> Meh,
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> It’s their country, their borders, and their laws. Considering the list consisted of such people as Phelps and Savage, I really really can’t say the British did a bad thing here. They just don’t want our assholes in their country. 😃

They have quite enough of their own, thank you.

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**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-michael-savage/495526/63 "2009-05-08T18:19:04Z")

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> [@Ca3799](#):
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> Prove it by letting in Savage, Coulter, Limbaugh, and Phelps, then.
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> (To everyone else: After Tagos lets those in, run up behind him and slam the door so they can’t get back out.)

They don’t have to. It’s their country, their borders, their laws. I find it hilarious that the people on The List are generally in favor of closing OUR borders. Now a border has been closed to them and it’s ZOMGWTFBBQsauce. Priceless. Britain, I love ya 😃

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**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-michael-savage/495526/64 "2009-05-08T18:20:21Z")

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> [@BrainGlutton](#):
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> They have quite enough of their own, thank you.

Well, it IS pretty funny.

Dark Helmet:

Assholes! I’m surrounded by assholes!

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**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-michael-savage/495526/65 "2009-05-08T18:32:28Z")

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> [@alexandra](#):
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> Are you serious? It is of concern and huge significance if Britain imposes stupid and meaningless restrictions on entry.

It’s very signifigant. I’d like to travel there, someday, and I’d be very disappointed if I wasn’t allowed to do so. But Savage’s worldview seems to be that American border policy should be decided exclusively by Americans for the benefit of Americans. If that’s the case, he has no standing to complain about, or be offended by, Britain’s border policy at it applies to him.

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**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-michael-savage/495526/66 "2009-05-08T19:14:23Z")

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Wow the UK government is dumb.

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**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-michael-savage/495526/67 "2009-05-08T19:42:35Z")

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> [@mswas](#):
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> Wow the UK government is dumb.

Downright unAmerican, in fact.

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**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-michael-savage/495526/68 "2009-05-08T19:43:02Z")

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> [@Bosstone](#):
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> Downright unAmerican, in fact.

Busy wasting effort on non-issues.

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**Author:** ![Bosstone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/22d042/32.png) [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-michael-savage/495526/69 "2009-05-08T20:17:26Z")

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> [@mswas](#):
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> Busy wasting effort on non-issues.

Psh. The media coverage on this has probably taken up more man-hours than it took to decide to blacklist him.

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**Author:** ![mswas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e99b99/32.png) [@mswas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mswas)\
**Post date:** [May 8, 2009, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-michael-savage/495526/70 "2009-05-08T20:53:16Z")

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> [@Bosstone](#):
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> Psh. The media coverage on this has probably taken up more man-hours than it took to decide to blacklist him.

And they should’ve known that would occur. Now they have to deal with it in court. They could’ve focused on actual bad people rather than trying to legislate political taste.

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**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-michael-savage/495526/71 "2009-05-12T02:04:02Z")

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> [@Robot\_Arm](#):
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> It’s very signifigant. I’d like to travel there, someday, and I’d be very disappointed if I wasn’t allowed to do so. But Savage’s worldview seems to be that American border policy should be decided exclusively by Americans for the benefit of Americans. If that’s the case, he has no standing to complain about, or be offended by, Britain’s border policy at it applies to him.

That would be true if we were only speaking of immigration policy.

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**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-michael-savage/495526/72 "2009-05-12T02:15:05Z")

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> [@Tristan](#):
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> I believe I once said he is probably the closest thing to an actual Fascist in the public view today.
> 
> Focus on a minority to stir up the majority? check  
> Demonizing that minority? check  
> Believe in military power over all others? check  
> Fetishizing nationalism? check
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> (note: I am just as proud of the US as anyone else, I think it’s a great place, but I don’t hold the US above all other nations and am not blind to it’s faults)
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> I don’t recall how that idea panned out, but I still stand by it.

I quoted the above, not to single it out but to use as an example instead..

It would be interesting if those offering their opinions on Michael’s show (like above) would also include whether or not they have listened and if so, how often (or if they are just offering someone else’s opinion).

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**Author:** ![halen2020](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea666f/32.png) [@halen2020](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/halen2020)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-michael-savage/495526/73 "2009-05-12T14:57:16Z")

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To be honest I kinda like Savage. I also kinda like Lionel… I think thats how you spell it… And he’s a lefty. Also, lest we forget, Savage has sued to have the “right-wing radicals” list released to the public (and yes, I know about the same report being applied to leftists during bush, but be honest, whos more likely to blow something up?). He isn’t suing for himself. He is suing for everyone both of those policies could hurt.

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**Author:** ![ZebraShaSha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/eada6e/32.png) [@ZebraShaSha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZebraShaSha)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-michael-savage/495526/74 "2009-05-12T18:04:07Z")

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My dad works from his truck and listens to Savage all day. We don’t talk about politics, medicine, or science much.

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**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-michael-savage/495526/75 "2009-05-12T18:37:32Z")

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> [@Robot\_Arm](#):
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> It’s very signifigant. I’d like to travel there, someday, and I’d be very disappointed if I wasn’t allowed to do so. But Savage’s worldview seems to be that American border policy should be decided exclusively by Americans for the benefit of Americans. If that’s the case, he has no standing to complain about, or be offended by, Britain’s border policy at it applies to him.

I had no idea that Savage was against foreign tourists entering the US.

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**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-michael-savage/495526/76 "2009-05-12T21:15:15Z")

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> [@flickster](#):
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> That would be true if we were only speaking of immigration policy.

> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#):
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> I had no idea that Savage was against foreign tourists entering the US.

How long someone plans to be in a country is beside the point. Isn’t it a fundamental assumption of his arguments that a sovreign nation has absolute authority over who it allows to enter, either for one hour or the rest of their lives? Savage wants the U.S. to exercise that authority in ways that he sees fit, but takes offense when Britain exercises it in the way that they see fit.

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**Author:** ![Tristan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tristan/32/18058_2.png) [@Tristan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tristan)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-michael-savage/495526/77 "2009-05-12T21:42:31Z")

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> [@flickster](#):
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> I quoted the above, not to single it out but to use as an example instead..
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> It would be interesting if those offering their opinions on Michael’s show (like above) would also include whether or not they have listened and if so, how often (or if they are just offering someone else’s opinion).

I used to listen on a regular basis, but no longer know when he’s on.

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**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\
**Post date:** [May 12, 2009, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-michael-savage/495526/78 "2009-05-12T22:05:28Z")

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> [@Robot\_Arm](#):
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> How long someone plans to be in a country is beside the point.

No, it really isn’t. I ssume that when Savage talks about who “enters”, he’s talking about people planning to set up permanent residence.

I have no idea what his specific stance is on the subject, but I don’t see anything strange about the claim that each country has the ability to dictate who enters and who doesn’t. That’s pretty much a no-brainer. The controversy is in how and why each country chooses to do so.

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**Author:** ![flickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/7bcc69/32.png) [@flickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flickster)\
**Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-michael-savage/495526/79 "2009-05-13T02:18:14Z")

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I listen to Savage during my afternoon drive time and usually catch the 1st hour of his program.

Does he rant & yell - occasioanlly yes  
Is he a racist - absolutely not  
Is he a republican - no, neither is he a democrat. He purposefully says away from aligning himself with either, so he can take shots at either as he sees fit.  
Does he take a lot of shots at Obama and his administration - yes  
Did he take a lot of shots at GW Bush and his administration - yes (especially in the last two years)  
Believes in a strong military - yes  
He is also a supporter of legal immigration.  
He has no love for Islamic extremist.  
Is Jewish, but doesn’t hold Judaism above other religions  
Takes great pride in his independence and ability to speak his mind without having to answer to “Corporate”  
Takes great pleasure in roasting many of the other “conservative” talk show hosts.

While the guy does go off on what he considers to be wrong with the world/country, there is much to like in his program as well. If being politically correct is your cup of tea, then Michael is probably is not the show for you.

All that said, does he belong in a grouping with murderers and terrorist - no.

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**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\
**Post date:** [May 13, 2009, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-michael-savage/495526/80 "2009-05-13T03:02:42Z")

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Does he hate gays? - yes  
Has he made fun of disabled children? - yes  
Is he a loudmouth neanderthal social conservative? - yes

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