# Tell Me About Teaching Someone to Drive a Stick **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 17, 2014, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-teaching-someone-to-drive-a-stick/691008 "2014-06-17T21:01:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![gwendee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/35a633/32.png) [@gwendee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gwendee)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2014, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-teaching-someone-to-drive-a-stick/691008/41 "2014-06-19T20:18:12Z")
I think another important factor is how motivated the student is to learn. My mom gave my son her Mini Cooper when he still only had his permit. He’s smart, mechanically inclined, and was READY. It took one very brief lesson. He’d been driving my car for several weeks already so he was familiar with setting the mirrors, starting ans stopping, turns etc. When I was at school in Illinois I’d posted on a ride share board that I’d like a passenger to share driving and expenses to Washington D.C. The guy who responded did not tell me until I’d been driving for about 6 hours and felt ready to switch that he could not drive stick. It was not because those hours had been so filled with scintillating conversation that he didn’t have time to mention it. I drove to a large flat empty parking lot and tried valiantly to teach him. He was having none of it. I’d be very surprised if he’s learned how since. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2014, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-teaching-someone-to-drive-a-stick/691008/42 "2014-06-19T21:04:16Z")
I would never try to teach anyone to drive a stick if I valued their friendship or intimate relationship. I suspect it works both ways. ---
**Author:** ![Big\_Norse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/big_norse/32/9954_2.png) [@Big\_Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Big_Norse)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2014, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-teaching-someone-to-drive-a-stick/691008/43 "2014-06-19T22:37:12Z")
> [@filmore](#): > > A slight downhill is best to learn on. You want a slope gentle enough so that the car just starts to roll when the brakes are let off. I actually would recommend the opposite to what everyone else is suggesting. My mother taught me stick by stopping the car on a steep up hill and then switching places. She kept her hand on the emergency brake so we wouldn’t go too far backwards if I miffed it, and it gave me chance to get a good feel of just when things engaged. Of course, by that time I had already had a lesson with my dad where he taught me about how engines and gears work and probably the history of the internal combustion engine as well (he was an engineer and never could give a short easy answer to questions). ---
**Author:** ![ctsv556](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/77aa72/32.png) [@ctsv556](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ctsv556)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2014, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-teaching-someone-to-drive-a-stick/691008/44 "2014-06-21T03:50:28Z")
> [@ctsv556](#): > > Just got back from teaching my 16 year-old daughter in my 5 day old Q60. Lots of bucking and stalling. I think it sounds"different" now. I hope it’s just hot still, and maybe will return to normal in a few hours. Fingers crossed! Seems to have returned to normal. We’ll try again tomorrow on a more level surface.She is very motivated to learn, mainly because a friend of hers got a stick shift for her first car but can’t even drive it.(show off😉) ---
**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2014, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-teaching-someone-to-drive-a-stick/691008/45 "2014-06-21T04:44:02Z")
> [@Leaffan](#): > > I tried to teach my ex-wife and there’s no way she could do it. It was like juggling and riding a unicycle at the same time to her. > > She could not drive, change gears, turn the steering wheel and pay attention to all other things simultaneously. It was a huge failure. I think some people just can’t drive a stick. When I bought the car I had never driven a stick, yet I learned during the test drive with the dealer in the car. I mean, how hard is it? I’m like your wife. Two different people on three different occasions have tired to teach me, taking hours to do so, and I just can’t do it. I can drive straight in first or second gear, but trying to make a turn, or get into third or higher, nope. Stall, stall, stall. I don’t understand why anyone would want to make driving so much more complicated, but they’re welcome to do so as long as they stop trying to force me to figure it out. ---
**Author:** ![Frapp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e95f7d/32.png) [@Frapp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frapp)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2014, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-teaching-someone-to-drive-a-stick/691008/46 "2014-06-21T15:46:23Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > …I don’t understand why anyone would want to make driving so much more complicated, but they’re welcome to do so as long as they stop trying to force me to figure it out. This, oh so very much. I can’t tell you how many times my family has ribbed me about my inability to drive stick. I’ve been all but excommunicated from various automotive forums and other sites simply for admitting that I can’t drive stick. It’s usually met with “Automatic? Learn to drive, dumbass” or “Aren’t you just absolutely bored?” or even “Learn stick so you can stop texting and driving”. (I will _never_ use my mobile while I’m driving, btw. The previous statement is shared among a lot of stick-drivers that think automatic drivers just use the extra time to distract ourselves). I mean, I get it. You all (generalized) enjoy “feeling the road” and “connecting with the car”. I simply want to get to my destinations and back again. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2014, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-teaching-someone-to-drive-a-stick/691008/47 "2014-06-21T16:22:59Z")
Funny that before there were any automatics, this was never such a big problem. It only became a big problem \*\*after \*\* there was an alternative. Finding a flat area is good advice. ---
**Author:** ![Mdcastle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/958977/32.png) [@Mdcastle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mdcastle)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2014, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-teaching-someone-to-drive-a-stick/691008/48 "2014-06-21T17:07:43Z")
> [@Frapp](#): > > This, oh so very much. I can’t tell you how many times my family has ribbed me about my inability to drive stick. I’ve been all but excommunicated from various automotive forums and other sites simply for admitting that I can’t drive stick. It’s usually met with “Automatic? Learn to drive, dumbass” or “Aren’t you just absolutely bored?” or even “Learn stick so you can stop texting and driving”. (I will _never_ use my mobile while I’m driving, btw. The previous statement is shared among a lot of stick-drivers that think automatic drivers just use the extra time to distract ourselves). > > I mean, I get it. You all (generalized) enjoy “feeling the road” and “connecting with the car”. I simply want to get to my destinations and back again. I’d go a step farther an ask the OP if learning to drive a stick is actually something the person wants or needs to do. I know automatic cars aren’t the norm overseas, but I’ve done some research and most rental agencies do have them. Of course if he’s staying with friends and they only have manuals it’s a different story, and I’d say “good luck”. I tried to teach my sister in my old car (a manual because it was cheap junk, not because I liked it), and gave up. If I hadn’t learned because it was the only car available to me I’d have zero interest in learning. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2014, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-teaching-someone-to-drive-a-stick/691008/49 "2014-06-21T17:25:47Z")
The way I’ve taught was just to start somewhere flat and not even use the throttle. Just put it in first, delicately lift release the clutch to learn the feel and bite, and get the car rolling just using the clutch. After that, I introduce the gas pedal. It’s worked well so far. My wife managed to learn one night when she came to get me from a nearby bar and I was too inebriated to drive. She only had to drive about a mile and a half home in quiet 3 a.m. traffic, but she got us home without any bucking or anything, just a couple stalls at red lights which she quickly corrected on restart. I was impressed, as she had never driven stick before. This was with a Mazda3. The last few generations of cars, I find, are quite forgiving. I learned on a 1980 diesel Mercedes W123, which had a much heavier clutch with a pretty strong and precise bite to it. I stalled that sucker left and right the first week or so I drove it. ---
**Author:** ![GusNSpot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gusnspot/32/436_2.png) [@GusNSpot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GusNSpot)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2014, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-teaching-someone-to-drive-a-stick/691008/50 "2014-06-21T20:40:41Z")
I think it is availability of automatics. Also fewer kids growing up with out farm machinery around. Less interest in cars by young people on average. Fewer people even want to know how things work. I have a sister like that, only wants to know one way to do something, if that does not work, just wants her SO to fix it or do it for her. She can drive a manual but her mind set is like that about most things. _Computers do what you tell them to do, not what you want them to do._ ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-teaching-someone-to-drive-a-stick/691008/51 "2014-06-22T01:49:10Z")
Change gears with only your thumb and index finger on the shifting lever. This process is not heavy lifting. Acquire an easy touch for feeling the thing mesh gears properly. Move it gently, with a delicate touch – it is a precision machine and it will go in gear easily when it is ready. When you learn how to operate a machine with this feel, it will be almost orgasmic. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-teaching-someone-to-drive-a-stick/691008/52 "2014-06-22T02:16:19Z")
> [@elfkin477](#): > > I’m like your wife. Two different people on three different occasions have tired to teach me, taking hours to do so, and I just can’t do it. I can drive straight in first or second gear, but trying to make a turn, or get into third or higher, nope. Stall, stall, stall. I don’t understand why anyone would want to make driving so much more complicated, but they’re welcome to do so as long as they stop trying to force me to figure it out. I appreciate your candor. This was pretty much my ex’s experience, For some reason it’s difficult for some people. I get that, and am not judgmental. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-teaching-someone-to-drive-a-stick/691008/53 "2014-06-22T02:27:35Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I taught my younger cousin when he was about 15. We were out driving once, and he almost drove into a ditch. When he told me he couldn’t shift and turn at the same time, I told him that if he _had_ to choose, choose “turn” instead of “shift”. There’s a school of thought (and I usually adhere to it, myself) that you shouldn’t shift gears while turning, anyway. You should be in the correct gear before you turn, so you do all your shifting either when you brake into the turn or as you’re on the straight out of the turn, since you don’t want to disrupt your car’s balance mid-turn (this doesn’t really matter much in normal driving, though). So, I wouldn’t beat myself up over not shifting and turning at the same time. Now, mind you, I do do it from time to time, but generally, I try to be in the right gear as I hit the turn. ---
**Author:** ![Superhal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Superhal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superhal)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-teaching-someone-to-drive-a-stick/691008/54 "2014-06-22T02:37:42Z")
I taught all my friends stick on my old honda crx. My advice: 1. Try to do it when you are about to change the clutch anyway. 2. The advice about gas and clutch being opposite is just wrong, I don’t know why everybody explains it like that, even people who have driven stick for years. You don’t lift your foot off the clutch, you keep it pressed until it engages. 3. Let them know that different cars have different clutch behaviors, and the clutch changes as it gets worn or adjusted. 4. Maybe it’s just me, but my final exam is having students go in reverse, uphill, over a speed bump, without burning the clutch, dying out, or ramming the bump. 5. The first lesson is usually to have them crawl forward slowly while manipulating the clutch and gas. I usually never need to take them on a regular road, just all in a parking lot. Of course, they can drive already. I usually just explain shifting, I don’t take them on the road. But conversely, most people today don’t need to learn how to drive stick. In fact, the last car I bought didn’t even come in standard. If I insisted, it would have to be special ordered and take 3-6 months. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-teaching-someone-to-drive-a-stick/691008/55 "2014-06-22T02:46:15Z")
> [@Superhal](#): > > I taught all my friends stick on my old honda crx. … That was my car too: 1989. A beautiful little car to drive. ETA: [Like this.](http://www.motortopia.com/cars/1989-honda-civic-crx-7975) ---
**Author:** ![codgerone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c37758/32.png) [@codgerone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/codgerone)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 8:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-teaching-someone-to-drive-a-stick/691008/56 "2014-06-22T08:15:32Z")
Not sure about Asia but in Europe automatics are widely available. One thing I would consider is driving somewhere like the UK where you would be driving on the opposite side of the road. I think a relatively inexperienced manual driver would struggle to cope with both conditions. ---
**Author:** ![chiroptera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/df705f/32.png) [@chiroptera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chiroptera)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-teaching-someone-to-drive-a-stick/691008/57 "2014-06-22T08:22:43Z")
> [@codgerone](#): > > Not sure about Asia but in Europe automatics are widely available. > > One thing I would consider is driving somewhere like the UK where you would be driving on the opposite side of the road. I think a relatively inexperienced manual driver would struggle to cope with both conditions. When I go back to Europe to visit family, I always rent a car. Automatics are almost twice as much to rent, IIRC. I always rent a manual because it’s cheaper by far. Driving on the “wrong” side of the road takes some adjusting to, though! I always do a few turns around the rental parking lot to acclimate before flinging myself onto the M1, ring roads and other madness. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-teaching-someone-to-drive-a-stick/691008/58 "2014-06-22T10:32:00Z")
> [@codgerone](#): > > Not sure about Asia but in Europe automatics are widely available. > > One thing I would consider is driving somewhere like the UK where you would be driving on the opposite side of the road. I think a relatively inexperienced manual driver would struggle to cope with both conditions. Man, I had a really hard time driving a manual car in England, everything just felt weird. I was sitting on the other side of the car, but I used my feet the same way as in the US. It really was hard for me. ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-teaching-someone-to-drive-a-stick/691008/59 "2014-06-22T12:46:37Z")
> [@Mdcastle](#): > > I’d go a step farther an ask the OP if learning to drive a stick is actually something the person wants or needs to do. Wants = yes. Needs = no. If he neither needed _nor_ wanted to learn, this thread wouldn’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-teaching-someone-to-drive-a-stick/691008/60 "2014-06-22T13:44:04Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > Man, I had a really hard time driving a manual car in England, everything just felt weird. I was sitting on the other side of the car, but I used my feet the same way as in the US. It really was hard for me. I personally found that part pretty easy. The tricky part for me was fully getting used to the spacial awareness of driving from the right side of the car. Somehow, my mental map always wanted to put my car farther to the right than it really was. Right out of the rental car parking lot, I managed to brush my left/passenger side mirror against a post. (No damage, it just folded back.) I felt pretty dumb and it took me a good couple hours to really feel like I knew where I was exactly on the road. It seemed to me like that part should be pretty easy, but, for some reason for me, it took some getting used to. > [@Misnomer](#): > > Wants = yes. > Needs = no. > > If he neither needed _nor_ wanted to learn, this thread wouldn’t exist. I think it’s a useful skill to have. I’ve been in a few situations where the only vehicle option I had was a stick, so I was glad I learned it. Now, for the vast majority of people, this probably won’t be an issue, but if you travel outside the US a lot and drive, it does help. And even in the US, there’s been a couple times I needed to drive a friend’s car, and his or her car was a standard. Now, the flip side of owning a standard transmission vehicle is that fewer people are able to drive one, so if you’re doing a long trip with someone and own a manual transmission car (like I do), you’ll be doing all the driving (which also may work out well for you if you don’t like other people driving your car.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-teaching-someone-to-drive-a-stick/691008.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-about-teaching-someone-to-drive-a-stick/691008.md?page=4)