# Tell me more about yaoi and fangirls **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 15, 2009, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-more-about-yaoi-and-fangirls/493154 "2009-04-15T06:49:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-more-about-yaoi-and-fangirls/493154/61 "2009-04-16T23:11:14Z")
Some of the OP’s concern may stem from the name of the DeviantArt site, which does suggest, well, _deviancy_. Although I don’t have much experience with the site, I do know it isn’t full of hardcore porn or anything. It’s a combined image hosting and social networking site where anyone can post their artwork. I don’t know if there are any restrictions on “adult” content there, but from what I’ve seen it’s mostly innocent stuff. If this girl is an anime fan then odds are she’s posting drawings of her favorite characters and talking to friends about her art and favorite shows/comics on the DeviantArt message boards. I don’t think there’s cause to be more concerned about DeviantArt than any other social networking site. I mean, she could be exchanging messages with creepy old perverts on there, but she could be doing that on MySpace too. ---
**Author:** ![Leiko](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Leiko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leiko)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2009, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-more-about-yaoi-and-fangirls/493154/62 "2009-04-16T23:50:07Z")
> [@kushiel](#): > > Worse, falls in love with Snape when he’s 17, gets impregnated by him, Snape becomes the perfect daddy, Harry becomes a happy housewife, Ron gets jealous, tries to kill Snape and Harry disowns him as a friend because of it, so Ron goes home dejectedly and in an alcoholic haze ends up sleeping with his twin brothers who choose to sleep with him out of love and pity. > > Okay, I’m not in Harry Potter fandom so I haven’t actually read a fic like what I described above, but I’ve seen a lot of similar stuff in my fandoms. > > And if that doesn’t explain why the OP shouldn’t take it seriously, I don’t know what will… I’m pretty sure that fic exists. And if you replace Harry with Hermione in that situation, and maybe take out the Weasley-cest- usually the twins are just with each other, no Ron involved, it’s definitely out there. (Of course this is the fandom that brought us Flying Ford Anglia/Whomping Willow and Giant Squid/Hogwarts as pairings.) ---
**Author:** ![Small\_Hen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ad7895/32.png) [@Small\_Hen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Small_Hen)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-more-about-yaoi-and-fangirls/493154/63 "2009-04-17T02:51:02Z")
> [@Leiko](#): > > I’m pretty sure that fic exists. And if you replace Harry with Hermione in that situation, and maybe take out the Weasley-cest- usually the twins are just with each other, no Ron involved, it’s definitely out there. > > (Of course this is the fandom that brought us Flying Ford Anglia/Whomping Willow and Giant Squid/Hogwarts as pairings.) Rule 34 (or is it 36?) If you can imagine it, there is porn about it on the internet. Though I must say, you’re right, few fandoms can challange Harry Potter for wierdness. Supernatural gives it a run for its money (the two major pairings being incest porn and angel porn, along with the common pairing of Dean Winchester/Impala), but Harry Potter is a fandom I would rarely touch with a ten foot pole. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-more-about-yaoi-and-fangirls/493154/64 "2009-04-17T04:22:02Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > You mean there alternate universes where Harry Potter is gay and becomes pregnant? I’m not sure I’d want to know the details of that. Not only are there such fics, note that they are common enough to warrant “mpreg” as an instantly recognised shorthand among those familiar with fanfiction. Rule 34 is “Whatever it is, there is porn of it”. Rule 36 is “Whatever it is, someone is really turned on by it”. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-more-about-yaoi-and-fangirls/493154/65 "2009-04-17T09:36:05Z")
There’s some more explicit yaoi of course, but I got the impression that most yaoi, especially the kind 14 year old girls are into, is the more emo girly boy romantic stuff. And yaoi is not to be confused with “slash” which is usually more explicit fan pairings of already existing popular characters. > [@Giles](#): > > And it would be interesting to know how many gay men go for yaoi: I suspect that a significant number do, but I doubt if many straight men are interested. I haven’t looked at too much of it, but I wasn’t really too into the wispy line drawing art style or girly looking men. It seemed appealing and novel when it was all that was available, but now there’s plenty of American stuff with better art, more appealing men, and more explicit action. ---
**Author:** ![MissMossie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@MissMossie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MissMossie)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2009, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-more-about-yaoi-and-fangirls/493154/66 "2009-04-17T14:28:53Z")
FWIW, Bitch Magazine had an interesting article a while back about male/male fanfiction. I think it idealizes the slash fiction community a bit, but it’s still a worthwhile read. [Here’s the link](http://bitchmagazine.org/article/fan-tastic-voyage). It’s more or less safe for work (it’s all text with a few small ads for the print magazine along the side), but it does have the word “bitch” in the URL. I don’t know if some work places might object to that. ---
**Author:** ![pope\_hentai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ee59a6/32.png) [@pope\_hentai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pope_hentai)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2009, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-more-about-yaoi-and-fangirls/493154/67 "2009-04-18T02:48:52Z")
the question i’m wondering is if its really “porn” or of the girls dad just said that to pile on the embarassment. but there is a biiiig diffrence between yaoi titles like “gravitation” and other lovey titles… and ones like “boku no sexual harassment” or 'boku no pico" the former being the source of many jokes literally involving an ear of corn and the latter being better off never talked about with anyone who might accidentally watch it… ---
**Author:** ![JR\_Brown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d6d6ee/32.png) [@JR\_Brown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JR_Brown)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2009, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-more-about-yaoi-and-fangirls/493154/68 "2009-04-18T20:00:08Z")
> [@jackdavinci](#): > > I haven’t looked at too much of it, but I wasn’t really too into the wispy line drawing art style or girly looking men. > > It seemed appealing and novel when it was all that was available, but now there’s plenty of American stuff with better art, more appealing men, and more explicit action. Hmm. Suggestions? I haven’t been much taken with the American/European gay romance comics I’ve seen; either they’re too much of ensemble-cast soap operas or they’re just porn, which doesn’t really push my buttons. (I’m a girl, so my buttons may be a little different from the target audience’s.) ---
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2009, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-more-about-yaoi-and-fangirls/493154/69 "2009-04-18T20:23:10Z")
Whatever you do avoid the works of Patrick Fillion. It’s terrifying. ---
**Author:** ![Lamia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Lamia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamia)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2009, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-more-about-yaoi-and-fangirls/493154/70 "2009-04-18T23:32:49Z")
> [@pope\_hentai](#): > > the question i’m wondering is if its really “porn” or of the girls dad just said that to pile on the embarassment. I would suspect the latter. It’s possible that this girl is writing some very explicit stories (she’s almost certainly read a few even if that’s not her main interest), but I doubt she’s been proudly showing them off to her Mom and Dad if she had. I would bet that either in reality or at least as far as her parents know then she’s writing stuff that’s more romance than erotica. Her father likely calls it “gay porn” just as a joke. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2009, 5:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-more-about-yaoi-and-fangirls/493154/71 "2009-04-19T05:51:58Z")
> [@JR\_Brown](#): > > Hmm. Suggestions? I haven’t been much taken with the American/European gay romance comics I’ve seen; either they’re too much of ensemble-cast soap operas or they’re just porn, which doesn’t really push my buttons. (I’m a girl, so my buttons may be a little different from the target audience’s.) I was speaking mostly in terms of the art, and the masculine appeal of the characters, I haven’t really found too much with both the better art and more appealing men, and a great story to boot. I’d recommend the graphic novel The Enigma, I found that to be very appealing storywise. I also like the stuff of Abby Denson, although some of her punk boys come close to the girlyness of manga, and the stories are more like comic strips. Two good sites for exploring besides the obvious wikipedia are [Prism](http://prismcomics.org/) and [Gay League](http://www.gayleague.com/wordpress/about/) (which looks like it changed to a blog but it still has resources in the “pages” sidebar). ---
**Author:** ![lavenderviolet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/cdc98d/32.png) [@lavenderviolet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lavenderviolet)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2009, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-more-about-yaoi-and-fangirls/493154/72 "2009-05-01T21:52:33Z")
> [@Small\_Hen](#): > > That said, there is a LOT of nasty stuff out there, and reading too much of it can probably have some negative effects. I remember discovering fanfiction at thirteen, and one of the first fics I read was an X-files fic where Krychek bent Mulder over his desk and raped him. I think I was a little scarred by that, not because it disturbed me, but because it interested me. I started seeking out non-con (that’s rape fics, for the uninformed), and I was far, FAR too young to be reading that stuff. I think this is one reason many parents might be okay with giving their son a Playboy but freak out over their daughter reading online porn stories. There is a lot of stuff online that could definitely mess with a kid’s perception of what’s normal or desirable in a relationship. Heck, I think far too many parents let their kids go wild on the internet. I am planning to have a rule that my kids cannot have a computer in their bedroom. I’ll have a computer set up in the family room for them where I can keep tabs on what they’re doing online. There have been cases where youngsters have died because their parents didn’t know what the kid was doing online. I am not aware of any case where a youngster has died because of a lack of sufficient private access to gay porn on the internet. Humanity survived pretty well for many centuries prior to the widespread availability of porn. Kids with sex drives can still use their imaginations, after all. I also don’t think that gay porn is the best way to try to educate kids about sex and pregnancy prevention. **Since when has porn in general been an accurate depiction of sex?** I am NOT convinced the quality of info about sex that a kid would glean from porn stories is any better than what they would hear from their friends. There is no reason why someone can’t restrict their kid from online romance/erotica/porn/whatever you want to call it but yet provide them with medically accurate books on sex and pregnancy prevention. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-more-about-yaoi-and-fangirls/493154.md?page=3)