# tell me who to Pit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 24, 2007, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-who-to-pit/423799 "2007-10-24T07:13:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-who-to-pit/423799/81 "2007-10-25T02:17:03Z")
[QUOTE=GingerOfTheNorth] Also, he’s a pickle thief. [/QUOTE] Well, that tears it. ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-who-to-pit/423799/82 "2007-10-25T02:32:18Z")
I forgot about the [pickle incident.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=155476&highlight=picklenapper) I hereby rescind my previous character reference. ---
**Author:** ![GingerOfTheNorth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/cdc98d/32.png) [@GingerOfTheNorth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GingerOfTheNorth)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-who-to-pit/423799/83 "2007-10-25T02:41:33Z")
He has a good bagel place, though. That makes up for it. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-who-to-pit/423799/84 "2007-10-25T04:37:12Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] As noted by others. **Colibri** ’s response was not that no known Doper could possibly be a pervert, but that a poster who was known in real life by other posters would have been unlikely to look for ways to pick up kids on a board where someone in real life could identify him. [/QUOTE] For the record, this is exactly what I meant and no more. As has been mentioned, I have met **Billdo** personally, and his sister **Green Bean** , at a couple of NYC dopefests several years ago. As has also been said, besides my own acquaintance, I know he is known personally to dozens of dopers, some of whom know his real name. And some have even been to his apartment. Now none of this means that \*\*Billdo \*\* is not a pervert. (Sorry **Billdo.** ) My intention was not to vouch for him based on a casual acquaintance. I don’t have the slightest personal knowledge of what he actually does when he’s not at dopefests. What it \*does \* mean is that he would have to be incredibly, unbelievably stupid to post what he did if his real intention was to find out how to troll for underage girls. Too many people here know who he actually is. As for my remarks to **Zambini57** , here they are in full: > [@](#): > > Zambini57, I don’t think this kind of comment is necessary here. Billdo is known personally to a number of members of the board and I hardly think he would be posting this here if that was what he were after. My intent here was mostly to inform **Zambini57** that **Billdo** is known personally to some here, so it is unlikely he would soliciting information on illegal acts. Perhaps I could have elaborated a bit more on exactly what I meant. But even if **Zambini57** didn’t know this, it was still inappropriate for him to imply that \*\*Billdo \*\* was a pedophile in GQ. If he had some suspicions about this, his proper course would have been to report the post rather than to make such an accusation in the thread. I probably would have cautioned him on that post even if I had no idea who **Billdo** was. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-who-to-pit/423799/85 "2007-10-25T04:55:03Z")
> [@fetus](#): > > So, IOW, you only believe in free speech as long as it doesn’t make you a little oogy. I know a guy in Cuba I bet you would love to meet. Nothing like those bright young freedom fighter Americans who think Castro is the poster child of evil dictators. Save me, save me! You’re a clever boy, fetus, just don’t overshoot your point. ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-who-to-pit/423799/86 "2007-10-25T04:55:59Z")
[QUOTE=Colibri] I probably would have cautioned him on that post even if I had no idea who **Billdo** was. [/QUOTE] Probably? The point of all this is zambini’s comment was idiotic and it does not matter who you know or don’t know. Whether Bildo’s IRL ID is known is irrelevant given that the question was legit and in no way implied that anyone was looking to engage in illegal acts. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 5:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-who-to-pit/423799/87 "2007-10-25T05:09:53Z")
[QUOTE=askeptic] Probably? The point of all this is zambini’s comment was idiotic and it does not matter who you know or don’t know. Whether Bildo’s IRL ID is known is irrelevant given that the question was legit and in no way implied that anyone was looking to engage in illegal acts. [/QUOTE] Ok, I definitely would have cautioned him, even if the OP of that thread had been a Guest. Accusations like that should be made by reporting the post, and letting the moderators handle it. I would have locked it if it had appeared to me that the OP actually had the intent of soliciting information about committing illegal acts. It did not. ---
**Author:** ![denquixote](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9bd4f/32.png) [@denquixote](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/denquixote)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-who-to-pit/423799/88 "2007-10-25T05:53:19Z")
[QUOTE=CarnalK] Nothing like those bright young freedom fighter Americans who think Castro is the poster child of evil dictators. Save me, save me! You’re a clever boy, fetus, just don’t overshoot your point. [/QUOTE] Why you are completely misunderstanding him. “Who said I am anti-Communist? Note that I defended the victims of the Mccarthy era just one post ago” I admit some of it is a little hard to comprehend. ---
**Author:** ![Tibidabo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bcef8e/32.png) [@Tibidabo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tibidabo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 10:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-who-to-pit/423799/89 "2007-10-25T10:41:44Z")
I AM THE PAEDO-FINDER GENERAL!! By the power invested in me by a Sky News text vote / the discredited research of Professor Ray Meadows / some bloke I met down the pub who said he knew for definite… I pronounce you all PAE - DO - PHILES! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-who-to-pit/423799/90 "2007-10-25T13:27:09Z")
[QUOTE=Colibri] Ok, I definitely would have cautioned him, even if the OP of that thread had been a Guest. Accusations like that should be made by reporting the post, and letting the moderators handle it. I would have locked it if it had appeared to me that the OP actually had the intent of soliciting information about committing illegal acts. It did not. [/QUOTE] That makes sense, and I agree. > [@denquixote](#): > > I admit some of it is a little hard to comprehend. This may be the understatement of the day. Are you a non-native English speaker, maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-who-to-pit/423799/91 "2007-10-25T14:26:37Z")
[QUOTE=saoirse] The reason she would be wrong is because there is no evidence to base that claim on. If you’re talking about someone starting a fight, you can apply what you know about your friend, like how inclined he is to start fights generally, to the question and then say, “No way. I know him, and he’s not the sort of person who would do that.” But there is no sort of person who would troll the internet for underage sex. If the friend did do that, he would hide any evidence of it from you. [/QUOTE] You appear to be arguing that because every person would hide this sort of wrongdoing, there’s no way to know that _any_ person is _not_ doing it. By this rationale, any accusation of conduct so heinious that NO ONE would admit it – child abuse, necrophilia, toad-licking, whatever – cannot be defended against by saying “I know the guy and he wouldn’t do that.” As I already said, that’s a pretty sad way to think. And the fact that you think I’m wrong doesn’t make me wrong. > [@Waverly](#): > > I guess if I had nothing to offer other than a character reference, I’d go ahead and offer it. It was my opinion in reading that thread, however, that the mods would have been on solid ground giving a warning for making an unnecessary (and quite serious) accusation following a legitimate GQ question. I don’t disagree with that. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-who-to-pit/423799/92 "2007-10-25T15:37:52Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] You appear to be arguing that because every person would hide this sort of wrongdoing, there’s no way to know that _any_ person is _not_ doing it. By this rationale, any accusation of conduct so heinious that NO ONE would admit it – child abuse, necrophilia, toad-licking, whatever – cannot be defended against by saying “I know the guy and he wouldn’t do that.” As I already said, that’s a pretty sad way to think. And the fact that you think I’m wrong doesn’t make me wrong. [/QUOTE] No, it’s the fact that you’re wrong that makes you wrong. I could change my mind, but then I’d be wrong, too. Whether it’s a sad way to think, or not, there is no value to saying, “I know him and he’s not a pedophile.” How would you possibly know that? You can assume it, since it seems to be a pretty rare thing, but that’s about it. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-who-to-pit/423799/93 "2007-10-25T18:43:48Z")
[QUOTE=saoirse] No, it’s the fact that you’re wrong that makes you wrong. I could change my mind, but then I’d be wrong, too. Whether it’s a sad way to think, or not, there is no value to saying, “I know him and he’s not a pedophile.” How would you possibly know that? You can assume it, since it seems to be a pretty rare thing, but that’s about it. [/QUOTE] By this logic, none of us ever know anything we cannot personally prove with 100% certainty our very own selves. Sun rising tomorrow? You don’t _know_ that. :rolleyes: It’s not just a dark way to think, it’s fucking stupid. And your tautology (“the fact you’re wrong makes you wrong”) doesn’t make me any less correct than I was before, nor does it make your posts more persusaive. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-who-to-pit/423799/94 "2007-10-25T18:47:50Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] By this logic, none of us ever know anything we cannot personally prove with 100% certainty our very own selves. Sun rising tomorrow? You don’t _know_ that. :rolleyes: [/quote] Umm, no that’s not true. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-who-to-pit/423799/95 "2007-10-25T18:49:28Z")
You’re going to have to do better than that if you expect me to respond. ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-who-to-pit/423799/96 "2007-10-25T18:50:23Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] You’re going to have to do better than that if you expect me to respond. [/QUOTE] Your analogy is false. The fact that we can’t know one thing doesn’t mean that we can’t know anything. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-who-to-pit/423799/97 "2007-10-25T19:00:19Z")
[QUOTE=saoirse] Your analogy is false. The fact that we can’t know one thing doesn’t mean that we can’t know anything. [/QUOTE] But the fact that under your rationale we can’t know _anything_ certainly _does_ mean we can’t know one thing. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-who-to-pit/423799/98 "2007-10-25T19:05:29Z")
[QUOTE=Tibidabo] I pronounce you all PAE - DO - PHILES! 😃 [/QUOTE] What’s wrong with being a pedophile (or “paedophile” or “paieedophile” or however you want to spell it)? If “[philia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philia)” is a friendship or brotherly love (as opposed to [eros](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eros_%28love%29), which is an erotic love or sexual/sensual desire), what’s so wrong about being friendly towards, or liking, children? ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-who-to-pit/423799/99 "2007-10-25T19:09:16Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] But the fact that under your rationale we can’t know anything\* certainly… [/QUOTE] I never said that. It isn’t even implied in what I did say. ---
**Author:** ![MysteryFellow63427](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@MysteryFellow63427](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysteryFellow63427)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2007, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-who-to-pit/423799/100 "2007-10-25T20:02:53Z")
Zambini is completely out of line and Jodi’s (and others) castigation of him is well merited. No one who isn’t depraved would advocate the statutory rape of 13 year old girls by older men. Sexual abuse of children is a touchy subject, especially for those who’ve had it happen to them or those who they know. Perhaps that’s what set Denquixote and Zambini off. The attitudes and mindsets represented by Zambini and denquixote, however, are utterly deplorable. Free speech? Fuck you for trying to invoke that, denquixote. Zambini and you are enemies of free speech. You are insidiously stupid, and it’s people like you that give power to panderers, demagogues, and dishonest politicians. You are ignorance itself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-who-to-pit/423799.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-who-to-pit/423799.md?page=6)