# Tell me why he shouldn't die, you candy-asses. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 6, 2004, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-why-he-shouldnt-die-you-candy-asses/227826 "2004-02-06T12:22:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2004, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-why-he-shouldnt-die-you-candy-asses/227826/121 "2004-02-07T11:33:12Z")
> [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > People like the OP just want an excuse to kill people. They get off on it. They masturbate to it. They’re no better than the perps. So, I’m sitting here jerking off over an 11 year old being abducted and murdered?!? And by posting a thread expressing rage over this makes me as bad as him?!? Go back to bashing Bush, that seems to be your expertise. Ooops, careful, being mad means you agree with that which makes you mad. DtC is voting for Bush in 2004!!! ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2004, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-why-he-shouldnt-die-you-candy-asses/227826/122 "2004-02-07T11:36:33Z")
> [@Gomez](#): > > On a more serious and less hyperbolic note, as long as the death penalty exists there will be mistakes. It’s not a risk, it’s a mathematical certainty. States which employ the death penalty are aware of this and are condoning innocent deaths in pursuit of some Utilitarian idea of a greater good. Repeatedly. I object to the death penalty, partially because I feel that life imprisonment is a harsher punishment but mainly because I object on general principle to living under a Government that kills innocent people in a far crueller and more deliberating fashion that the murderer’s we’re supposed to be punishing. The mathematical certainty would certainly apply to ALL convictions then, yes? With that argument, and all cites of wrongly convicted, we have to let all prisoners out of prison as they might be innocent. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2004, 11:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-why-he-shouldnt-die-you-candy-asses/227826/123 "2004-02-07T11:38:25Z")
> [@jarbabyj](#): > > Holy cow, Shodan. Can I get a cite there? Are you honestly saying no innocent man/woman has been put to death? I don’t wanna side with **Shodan** , but dammit, I’m gonna have to. Can you name an executed prisoner, convicted since the reinstatement of the DP, that was later found to be innocent? Yes, there have been those who have been wrongly convicted. And in some of thos cases, there has been great abuse by the prosecuters. (as in the [Rolando Cruz](http://www.nodeathpenalty.org/newab011/rolandoCruz.html) case). But it does seem that the safeguards (2 stage trial, lengthy appeals process) seem to be working. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2004, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-why-he-shouldnt-die-you-candy-asses/227826/124 "2004-02-07T11:41:09Z")
Hate to sound like a fence-sitter, but I am divided thusly: I am against the death penalty. Thou shalt not kill. Superego. I find myself feeling that I would like this horrible man to die. Id. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2004, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-why-he-shouldnt-die-you-candy-asses/227826/125 "2004-02-07T11:52:01Z")
> [@jarbabyj](#): > > While I acknowledge the existence of a basic human desire for revenge and violent retribution, I believe that as evolved, intelligent creatures we should be above that. > > Like I said before, I understand the temporary pleasure and relief it may give, but in the end, all we have are two people dead instead of one. And the vicious cycle continues. Keep in mind, this guy could have been accepted to a jury for another child molestor/killer ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2004, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-why-he-shouldnt-die-you-candy-asses/227826/126 "2004-02-07T11:56:56Z")
> [@Amanita](#): > > Well, there is the small consideration that the man has never been accusing of a capital crime prior to this, so one wonders what exactly would have been the criteria for making sure the “fuckshit” died. That pesky justice system! _sigh_ still on page 2 of 3 and trying to get through quotes. When someone shows me where I said the state should have killed him, please let me know. My mistake was wishing a general death on him at least 2 hours before he took her. Oh, did I forget to mention it was on videotape? ---
**Author:** ![Martha\_Medea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/43a26b/32.png) [@Martha\_Medea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Martha_Medea)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2004, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-why-he-shouldnt-die-you-candy-asses/227826/127 "2004-02-07T12:24:42Z")
Shipman - UK’s worst serial killer. Sentenced to life. Killed himself in prison recently. [Families feel cheated](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/3392135.stm). ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2004, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-why-he-shouldnt-die-you-candy-asses/227826/128 "2004-02-07T12:40:22Z")
The Hollywood Liberal needle was about the latest stars (Washington, Garafaolo, et al) coming out for a convicted murderer whom took 4 familiy members lives. Discard that, I should have kept to the case I ranted about. I do want to, however, include Dru Sjodin. Google her name and you’ll see why I’m so pissed about ex-cons that are released when they have proven they are nothing but parasites to society. Concerning the Death Penalty, I await anyone to tell me why Jeff Dahmer, Ted Bundy or John Gacy should have been spared death. Yes, Dahmer was killed, but do you know it was because he was in the same room as another man who killed his wife, whom tried to blame the murder on a black gang member? Too bad they died. We could have been treated to decades of Manson-esque reasoning. When someone can convince me that the DP for these 3 is reason to outlaw it based on possible doubt, I’ll change my mind. Keep in mind, I had an apartment 3 blocks from Dahmer when he was busted. Life in prison? OK, I’m not bloodthirsty, despite what the “enlightened intellectuals” want to say. How about this? Give them Life, but thier lives end at conviction. This means they get the paid room, but the world is stuck in the world they were in when they killed. Follow me here. Any book written at time of conviction is available to read. Any movie may be seen if it was before the murder. The rule applies to all things the victim will never experience. If the victim doesn’t get to enjoy a new movie, novel, sex, contact with loved ones, interaction with friends, why should the criminal? That way, on the off-chance it was a wrongful conviction, at least the convict can make up for lost time. The dead can’t appeal ---
**Author:** ![gluteus\_maximus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f17d59/32.png) [@gluteus\_maximus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gluteus_maximus)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2004, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-why-he-shouldnt-die-you-candy-asses/227826/129 "2004-02-07T12:49:48Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > This is why I will always support the death penalty. This Smith fuskshit should have died long ago. So, by that you meant some form of magical, spontaneous, pre-cognitive, duffer-righteous, non-state-inflicted death? My main objection to the death penalty is the power it gives the state over life. His life today, yours tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![gluteus\_maximus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f17d59/32.png) [@gluteus\_maximus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gluteus_maximus)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2004, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-why-he-shouldnt-die-you-candy-asses/227826/130 "2004-02-07T12:53:21Z")
[Duffer’s dream world.](http://www.ucomics.com/rallcom/2004/01/01/) [Duffer’s media-induced obsession.](http://www.ucomics.com/rallcom/2004/01/03/) ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2004, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-why-he-shouldnt-die-you-candy-asses/227826/131 "2004-02-07T13:01:01Z")
> [@gluteus maximus](#): > > So, by that you meant some form of magical, spontaneous, pre-cognitive, duffer-righteous, non-state-inflicted death? > > My main objection to the death penalty is the power it gives the state over life. > > His life today, yours tomorrow. So the state has no right right to say if I can “pull the plug” on a loved one? What about my parents being put in the position of caring for my brother? He had encephalitis and spina-bifida. he had no chance of living past 5 years. This was back in the late '60’s. Because of the extraordinary medcial attention needed, he was required to be hospitalized. being a state hospital, it was up to them. Fast forward to January of last year, my mom died and the bill came due. There’s your state controlling life. I just wish my brother could have had the option of a painless needle. Re: the OP. The state didn’t kill the girl. Try to stay on topic. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2004, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-why-he-shouldnt-die-you-candy-asses/227826/132 "2004-02-07T13:02:27Z")
> [@gluteus maximus](#): > > [Duffer’s dream world.](http://www.ucomics.com/rallcom/2004/01/01/) > > [Duffer’s media-induced obsession.](http://www.ucomics.com/rallcom/2004/01/03/) Good one :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2004, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-why-he-shouldnt-die-you-candy-asses/227826/133 "2004-02-07T14:47:17Z")
> [@Annie-Xmas](#): > > I agree. > > People who say “put him in prison and throw away the key” should talk to someone whose relative was murdered by a “lifer” who escaped prison or was murdered in prison. The only guarantee a convicted murdered will not kill again is death. I disagree, I DO have firsthand knowledge of being the victim (not of murder obviously). I personally think that a lifetime sentence is what is warranted, and NOT because I have "compassion: for some subhuman, because I think that prison is much harsher than death. Especially for child molesters, many of whom want to take the “suicide by cop” route and wanting the state to take all the responsibility for putting them out of their misery. For them especially, I think that they should have to have the rest of their lives, AWAY from little kids to have to think about it. Think about it every day. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2004, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-why-he-shouldnt-die-you-candy-asses/227826/134 "2004-02-07T14:58:14Z")
Oh, by the way. I’d just like to thank everyone for staying on topic. This was about an 11 year old being abducted and murdered. Granted, I called for death (before this crime) for the shit-heel (detractors, get it right). But please, keep up the anti-DP arguments. That was the reason for starting the thread\ ---
**Author:** ![Gomez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d78d45/32.png) [@Gomez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gomez)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2004, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-why-he-shouldnt-die-you-candy-asses/227826/135 "2004-02-07T15:03:47Z")
Should’ve taken better fucking care of your thread then, shouldn’t you? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Gomez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d78d45/32.png) [@Gomez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gomez)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2004, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-why-he-shouldnt-die-you-candy-asses/227826/136 "2004-02-07T15:11:10Z")
Oh, and as for this little gem: > [@duffer](#): > > The mathematical certainty would certainly apply to ALL convictions then, yes? With that argument, and all cites of wrongly convicted, we have to let all prisoners out of prison as they might be innocent. We need _some_ form of corrective punishment. There will always be mistakes whatever punishment we impose. That sucks, but it’s a fact of life. Given this, logically it stands to reason that enforcing _irreversible_ punishments is a very, very bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2004, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-why-he-shouldnt-die-you-candy-asses/227826/137 "2004-02-07T15:11:59Z")
> [@Gomez](#): > > Should’ve taken better fucking care of your thread then, shouldn’t you? > > :rolleyes: Yeah, like I have control over it :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Gomez](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d78d45/32.png) [@Gomez](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gomez)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2004, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-why-he-shouldnt-die-you-candy-asses/227826/138 "2004-02-07T15:12:55Z")
> [@](#): > > Granted, I called for death (before this crime) for the shit-heel (detractors, get it right). But please, keep up the anti-DP arguments. That was the reason for starting the thread. Actually, you called for death and actively _asked_ for anti death penalty arguments all in your thread title. [sub]These three consecutive posts have been brought you due to this being the only fucking board in cyberspace without an edit function.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![gluteus\_maximus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f17d59/32.png) [@gluteus\_maximus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gluteus_maximus)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2004, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-why-he-shouldnt-die-you-candy-asses/227826/139 "2004-02-07T15:17:31Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > So the state has no right right to say if I can “pull the plug” on a loved one > > There’s your state controlling life. I just wish my brother could have had the option of a painless needle. > > Re: the OP. The state didn’t kill the girl. Try to stay on topic. You said: > [@](#): > > When someone shows me where I said the state should have killed him, please let me know. So, I found this quote from your OP which said: > [@](#): > > This is why I will always support the death penalty. This Smith fuskshit should have died long ago. To which I replied in the same post: > [@](#): > > So, by that you meant some form of magical, spontaneous, pre-cognitive, duffer-righteous, non-state-inflicted death? > > My main objection to the death penalty is the power it gives the state over life. > > His life today, yours tomorrow. And so you said: > [@](#): > > Re: the OP. The state didn’t kill the girl. Try to stay on topic. WTF are you slurping about? Who ever said the state killed the girl? Try putting away the mind-altering substances when posting here, 'nK? And then, this: > [@](#): > > Oh, by the way. > > I’d just like to thank everyone for staying on topic. This was about an 11 year old being abducted and murdered. Granted, I called for death (before this crime) for the shit-heel (detractors, get it right). But please, keep up the anti-DP arguments. That was the reason for starting the thread\ Thanks, you condescending shitheel, we all seem to have been aware of the thread’s point, even if you weren’t. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2004, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-why-he-shouldnt-die-you-candy-asses/227826/140 "2004-02-07T15:28:10Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Give them Life, but thier lives end at conviction. This means they get the paid room, but the world is stuck in the world they were in when they killed. Follow me here. > > Any book written at time of conviction is available to read. Any movie may be seen if it was before the murder. > > The rule applies to all things the victim will never experience. If the victim doesn’t get to enjoy a new movie, novel, sex, contact with loved ones, interaction with friends, why should the criminal? Fair enough. But the victim can no longer enjoy even these things. I say if you’re not gonna kill 'em, deprive them of _all_ of life’s pleasures. No books, no movies, no t.v., no newspapers. Food, enough medicine if they need it to keep them alive, and maybe a place to sleep…and that’s it! If it’s truly to be life without parole, there’s no need for rehabilitation, and after all they are \*supposed \* to be being _punished_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-why-he-shouldnt-die-you-candy-asses/227826.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-why-he-shouldnt-die-you-candy-asses/227826.md?page=8)