# Tell me you're a woman

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-youre-a-woman/978625>\
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [January 22, 2023, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-youre-a-woman/978625 "2023-01-22T21:54:40Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-youre-a-woman/978625/21 "2023-01-23T02:34:06Z")

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> [@SurrenderDorothy](#):
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> Nobody bats an eye at the fact that I spend all this time alone with this random kid.

I liked that answer.

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**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-youre-a-woman/978625/22 "2023-01-23T02:36:37Z")

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> [@Riemann](#):
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> Does questioning stereotypes constitute threadshitting?

I would kinda like an answer to this question.

(And it’s possible that I did just tell you my gender; but I wouldn’t count on it. Looking at my pronouns would be a lot more reliable guide.)

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**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-youre-a-woman/978625/23 "2023-01-23T03:21:05Z")

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> [@DocCathode](#):
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> And to all the posters mentioning uteruses (uteri?) and menstruation- not all women have a uterus/menstruate and not every human who has a uterus/menstruates is a woman.

So? Most do. We get to talk about it if it applies to us.

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**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-youre-a-woman/978625/24 "2023-01-23T03:34:11Z")

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> [@elfkin477](#):
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> We get to talk about it if it applies to us.

But not in a way that excludes people. You don’t see the problem with “my cis physical traits tell you I’m a woman without me having to tell you my gender identity”?

I’m sure OP intended no malice, but “tell me you’re a woman without telling me you’re a woman” logically implies that there is a way to know if someone is a woman _other_ than her telling you her gender identity. At a minimum that implies stereotypes of gender expression, at worst it could be interpreted as transphobic.

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**Author:** ![elfkin477](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a9a28c/32.png) [@elfkin477](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elfkin477)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-youre-a-woman/978625/25 "2023-01-23T03:36:43Z")

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> [@Riemann](#):
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> But not in a way that excludes people. You don’t see the problem with “my cis physical traits tell you I’m a woman without me having to tell you my gender identity”?

What are the list of things masculine things men aren’t supposed to talk about in order to not offend Transmen? There’s plenty of tone policing of what women aren’t supposed to say to avoid offending a small minority of people, but I never see men being held to that expectation.

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**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-youre-a-woman/978625/26 "2023-01-23T03:39:50Z")

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> [@elfkin477](#):
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> What are the list of things masculine things men aren’t supposed to talk about in order to not offend Transmen?

The issue is the exclusion of diversity, which is the opposite of telling people they can’t talk about stuff.

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**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-youre-a-woman/978625/27 "2023-01-23T04:03:50Z")

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> [@Riemann](#):
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> I’m not really sure what this thead is about.

It’s a common meme that has been going around for the last couple of years. Common versions of the meme are “tell me you’re a mom without telling me you’re a mom” or “tell me you are LGBTQ without telling me that you are LGBTQ”. Then everyone who is a part of that group lists whatever stereotypical trait they have as a part of that group.

> [@Riemann](#):
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> Does questioning stereotypes constitute threadshitting?

Pretty much. The point is for everyone to list whatever stereotypical trait they have, so questioning the stereotype goes against the entire point of the thread.

It’s a rather shallow TikTok type of thing. If you are putting any actual thought into it you are probably doing it wrong.

Google “tell me without telling me meme” if you want more details.

Poking around on google, it looks like someone actually made a real life card game out of the meme.

> **[Tell Me Without Telling Me Game](https://www.target.com/p/tell-me-without-telling-me-game/-/A-82890164)**
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> Read reviews and buy Tell Me Without Telling Me Game at Target. Choose from contactless Same Day Delivery, Drive Up and more.

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**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-youre-a-woman/978625/28 "2023-01-23T04:05:47Z")

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> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#):
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> It’s a common meme

Yeah, the problem here is not that anyone is unfamiliar with the meme.

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**Author:** ![engineer\_comp\_geek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/engineer_comp_geek/32/504_2.png) [@engineer\_comp\_geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/engineer_comp_geek)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-youre-a-woman/978625/29 "2023-01-23T04:10:22Z")

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This makes me wonder why you posted that you weren’t sure what the thread is about. If you are familiar with the meme then it’s pretty obvious what the thread is about. It’s meant to be a bit of fun.

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**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 5:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-youre-a-woman/978625/30 "2023-01-23T05:07:07Z")

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> [@engineer\_comp\_geek](#):
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> This makes me wonder why you posted that you weren’t sure what the thread is about.

If only I had explained my concerns.

The reason I first posed it as a more neutral question was because there are other (positive) directions it could have gone, such as this:

> **[The "Tell Me You’re A Woman Without Telling Me You’re A Woman" Twitter Thread...](https://www.awesomeinventions.com/tell-me-youre-a-woman-without-telling-me-youre-a-woman-twitter-thread/)**
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> To bring attention to issues women face, a woman started a ‘Tell me you’re a woman without telling me you’re a woman’ Twitter thread.

But when the first few posts are gender expression stereotypes and “I had periods” and you appear to be condoning that as a good idea - yeah, good luck with the “bit of fun” thread.

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**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-youre-a-woman/978625/31 "2023-01-23T11:37:07Z")

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What is preventing trans woman from participating? Nothing. But you want to suppress comments because you perceive the mention of body parts is offensive to those without? Do you speak for woman or trans woman? No you don’t. Butt out.

Go play here

> [@Tell me you're a man without telling me you're a man](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-youre-a-man-without-telling-me-youre-a-man/978635/13):
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> I like chess, computer games and roleplaying. I have a beard.

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**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 11:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-youre-a-woman/978625/32 "2023-01-23T11:53:50Z")

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> [@elfkin477](#):
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> What are the list of things masculine things men aren’t supposed to talk about in order to not offend Transmen?

To my mind, “I menstruate” as an indicator of womanhood is more of a problem for transmen than for transwomen.

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**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-youre-a-woman/978625/33 "2023-01-23T12:25:24Z")

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> [@chela](#):
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> What is preventing trans woman from participating?

AFAIK, we only have one trans woman left on the SDMB. There’s a reason for that. This thread is not helping.

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**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-youre-a-woman/978625/34 "2023-01-23T12:39:39Z")

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> [@DocCathode](#):
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> And to all the posters mentioning uteruses (uteri?) and menstruation- not all women have a uterus/menstruate and not every human who has a uterus/menstruates is a woman.

But you could say the same about pretty much everything, couldn’t you: There are women who don’t do X, and/or people who do X but aren’t women, no matter what X is?

I don’t know whether that makes this a threadshit, and if so, if this is a thread that ought to be shat. When I read the OP last night soon after it was posted, I thought, “Uh oh, is that really a good idea? Could be harmless fun, I suppose, but could too easily turn into a cavalcade of sexist stereotypes.”

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**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-youre-a-woman/978625/35 "2023-01-23T13:15:42Z")

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> [@pulykamell](#):
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> Good to know I wasn’t the only one raising an eyebrow at this thread

But has that eyebrow been waxed or threaded?

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**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-youre-a-woman/978625/36 "2023-01-23T14:36:42Z")

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Boy the fun part of this thread sure evaporated.

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**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-youre-a-woman/978625/37 "2023-01-23T15:11:22Z")

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Why is this thread such a downer and the “tell me you’re a man” thread going so well?

It’s not even noon and I’m already disappointed in men.

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**Author:** ![chela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chela/32/21582_2.png) [@chela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chela)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-youre-a-woman/978625/38 "2023-01-23T15:17:15Z")

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I would expect a trans woman could make many contributions to this thread.

Sorry to hear your dismissal of their participation.

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**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-youre-a-woman/978625/39 "2023-01-23T15:18:02Z")

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> [@chela](#):
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> Sorry to hear your dismissal of their participation.

Say what now?

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**Author:** ![Ulfreida](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ulfreida/32/8014_2.png) [@Ulfreida](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ulfreida)\
**Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-me-youre-a-woman/978625/40 "2023-01-23T15:26:43Z")

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When I must walk at night in an urban area I walk in the middle of the street and constantly scan for male people who might attack me.

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