# Tell us an interesting random fact you stumbled across (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [July 25, 2024, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785 "2024-07-25T15:06:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 247
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785/4921 "2026-06-20T00:50:37Z")
> [@commasense](#): > > Although it touches on his problems with alcohol, the film doesn’t even hint at this. “This” being > [@Wendell\_Wagner](#): > > Desi constantly cheated on Luci with other women, mostly prostitutes. He didn’t understand why Luci objected to this. He said that he didn’t love the other women. He only loved Luci. The comment sent me down a rabbit hole. In 1955, _Confdential_ magazine published an article “Does Desi love Lucy?” that pretty explicitly told of his dalliances with other women (including prostitutes) > **[Confidential\_Lucy\_\_Desi.pdf](https://media.wnyc.org/media/resources/2010/Oct/07/Confidential_Lucy__Desi.pdf)** Although not in that article, a reference to his indifference is documented. > [@](#): > > Desi seemed unabashed. “What’s she upset about? I don’t take out other broads,” he reportedly told a friend. “I just take out _hookers_.” > **[Did Desi Really Love Lucy? The Scandal That Rocked TV’s First Family](https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2020/08/the-legendary-marriage-of-lucille-ball-and-desi-arnaz?srsltid=AfmBOoprPw2zK2p0_GFiowRM8qqeauJ4Znraw1i_ZlL-JUC2emTP9LHr)** > > “What’s she upset about?” Arnaz said of wife and costar Lucille Ball. “I don’t take out other broads. I just take out hookers.” A new novel, The Queen of Tuesday, digs into a legendary marriage. ---
**Author:** ![Xocomil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xocomil/32/14927_2.png) [@Xocomil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xocomil)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785/4922 "2026-06-20T01:11:35Z")
So was the Russian Empire and many others. ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785/4923 "2026-06-20T04:38:12Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > I feel like I’m missing something. How would amateur status prevent players cheating [..] the player’s amateur status isn’t going to prevent him from wanting money. If you aren’t playing for money, you’re playing for some other reason. If you want money, you’d be playing some other sport, or working for a living. If you want a fair competition, one of the steps you take is to avoid gambling, and if you avoid gambling, there is no money to pay the participants. One the one hand, that’s not a universal rule. On the other hand, it’s still true today: gambling is paying for the professional sports, and it has a corrupting influence that (1) requires constant supervision and (2) is resulting in rule changes across all the affected sports. ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785/4924 "2026-06-20T04:40:51Z")
> [@Dr.Drake](#): > > Which is convenient, because if you accept this belief, a gentleman can never be _called out_ on his cheating, lest you insult his status as a gentleman, which another gentleman would never do. Because it’s a _mortal_ insult. That’s part of the reason why the south was and is more polite than the north: the north didn’t do duelling. ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785/4925 "2026-06-20T04:54:42Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > “Amateur” was code for “British Public School Gentleman”. A gentleman would _never_ cheat. It’s a given that there was a difference between “Gentlemen” and “Players”, but I’m not sure that’s the right way around for early FIFA? I’ve got the idea that England couldn’t compete in the World Cup because the UK was already professional, which FIFA didn’t accept. It wasn’t the “English Gentlemen” who were objecting. I may be wrong / you may be right. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 5:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785/4926 "2026-06-20T05:15:36Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > If you aren’t playing for money, you’re playing for some other reason. If you want money, you’d be playing some other sport, or working for a living. Maybe that was supposed to be the point of amateur games, but it sure seems less than compelling. -Everybody wants money. -Most people aren’t good enough to play on a paying team. -Some want money more than others. -Unless a person is rich or a student, they work for a living (in addition to playing sports). -People get themselves into debt. -People like to bet on games. -Sometimes players are threatened into throwing a game. ---
**Author:** ![Melbourne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5e925/32.png) [@Melbourne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Melbourne)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785/4927 "2026-06-20T05:35:46Z")
Ok, well the observed history seems to be against you. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785/4928 "2026-06-20T12:28:13Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > That’s part of the reason why the south was and is more polite than the north: Since when is the South polite? > [@Melbourne](#): > > Ok, well the observed history seems to be against you. The observed history of lots and lots of betting on amateur sports? ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785/4929 "2026-06-20T16:48:04Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > That’s part of the reason why the south was and is more polite than the north: the north didn’t do duelling. From my reading, all dueling societies were wildly hypocritical. They made a vast show out of politeness, deference, and protection in order to have excuses to publicly chastise offenders with a display of their outsized manhood. Dueling cultures were run by would-be alpha men who scorned and bullied all lower creatures: women, workmen, foreigners, and in the American south blacks whether slave or free. Although not every member of the haughty class was wealthy, only societies with vast wealth inequalities could afford to develop such classes. Duelers stink. A pox upon them all. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785/4930 "2026-06-20T16:55:44Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > the north didn’t do duelling. Yeah, they were the more reasonable and humane society. Ending your sentences with “ma’am” or “sir” OTOH is just decorum for nobody’s sake. ---
**Author:** ![Lumpy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lumpy/32/446_2.png) [@Lumpy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lumpy)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785/4931 "2026-06-20T17:17:54Z")
See Thomas Sowell’s “Black Rednecks” for a review of traditional Southern white “honor” culture, a culture that was barely explicable given that crack and meth hadn’t been invented yet. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785/4932 "2026-06-20T18:25:48Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > Duelers stink. A pox upon them all. When once asked about my opinion about duelling, a long time ago, I spontaneously answered “I would never, _ich bin nicht satisfaktionfähig_”. Only later I realized that I don’t know how to say that neither in Spanish nor in English. Because in German duelling tradition it took a certain standing, for lack of a better word, to be considered worthy of duelling, that is, to be _**[satisfaktionsfähig](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satisfaktion)**_ (note that this wikipage only links to translations in Russian, Ukrainian, and Esperanto 😮). Jews, for instance, were of course excluded from this “privilege”. I wonder whether @EinsteinsHund, @Schnitte or anybody else can help me here. Oh, and yes a pox upon them all indeed. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785/4933 "2026-06-20T18:44:38Z")
I have no idea how to translate “nicht satisfaktionsfähig” into English, but of course I know the meaning. It’s “you’re below your ranks to be given the chance for getting satisfaction in a duel against someone nobler”, but there’s not one word that captures it. ---
**Author:** ![Frodo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/frodo/32/302_2.png) [@Frodo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frodo)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785/4934 "2026-06-20T18:47:12Z")
At first I thought, using vibe etymologies, that it meant something like “below the level that can demand satisfaction” or something like that. ---
**Author:** ![EinsteinsHund](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/einsteinshund/32/8400_2.png) [@EinsteinsHund](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EinsteinsHund)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785/4935 "2026-06-20T18:47:57Z")
Yeah, you’re absolutely on the right track. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785/4936 "2026-06-20T18:48:13Z")
That is correct, but “below the level that can _grant_ satisfaction (by losing the duell, or even dying)” is correcter. But both interpretations go hand in hand, of course. ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785/4937 "2026-06-20T19:00:21Z")
> [@Melbourne](#): > > > [@Dr.Drake](#): > > > > Which is convenient, because if you accept this belief, a gentleman can never be _called out_ on his cheating, lest you insult his status as a gentleman, which another gentleman would never do. > > Because it’s a _mortal_ insult. > That’s part of the reason why the south was and is more polite than the north: the north didn’t do duelling. A big factor in this was the difference between honor and dignity. In the South, honor was extremely important. In the North, dignity was more important. The problem is that when your society is based on honor, it’s very easy to insult one’s honor. People need to defend their honor, and dueling was one way to do it. But when your society is based on dignity, you remain dignified in the face of insults, which means you ignore them or give a verbal put-down. Your goal is to not lower yourself to their level. ---
**Author:** ![saje](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saje/32/3631_2.png) [@saje](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saje)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2026, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785/4938 "2026-06-21T02:07:00Z")
I thought there was already a thread like this but I can’t seem to find it. So … Today I learned the the marmalade that I’ve loved all my life is not in fact called Dundee Marmalade (as in the brand name), but it’s actually James Keiller & Sons Dundee Marmalade. And, sadly, it’s gone out of business, or at least has been bought and sold into unrecognizeability ☹ ---
**Author:** ![saje](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saje/32/3631_2.png) [@saje](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saje)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2026, 10:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785/4939 "2026-06-21T10:18:01Z")
Yes, this is what I was looking for. Thanks for the move! ---
**Author:** ![Filbert](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/filbert/32/3433_2.png) [@Filbert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Filbert)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2026, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785/4940 "2026-06-21T11:00:12Z")
Dundee marmalade is a style of marmalade - named for and originating in the Scottish city. It may seem a weird place for it, as oranges can’t survive outside in the area, but it’s a big fruit producing district known for jams, and has a busy port. The Seville oranges they use were available imported later in the year than the local fruit, so I believe the marmalade was originally developed to allow the jam manufacturers to keep the factories operating through the winter, after the local fruit season was finished. Have you tried any other Dundee style ones? There’s quite a few available in Scotland at least; Mackays is one of the commoner brands and I think they export a fair bit. They claim their recipe was developed from the original Keiller one, having poached some former staff back in the 1970s. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785.md?page=246) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785.md?page=248)