# Tell us an interesting random fact you stumbled across (Part 2)

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**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [July 25, 2024, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785 "2024-07-25T15:06:02Z")\
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**Author:** ![Toxylon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f05b48/32.png) [@Toxylon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxylon)\
**Post date:** [October 30, 2024, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785/761 "2024-10-30T10:07:30Z")

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40 years ago I would walk to my local library, go to the Music aisle, and start checking the titles there. Dozens of books on rock and pop music, and also the latest (and back) issues of several music magazines. Every popular music act that had a claim to international fame up until that time was researchable. Easy and free access, as was the style at the time.

What prompted my reply was the claim that 40ish years ago there was no way to know that The Hollies were a British band that had nothing to do with Buddy Holly’s backing band. That is patently untrue, and would not have been dependent on the latest music business material to find out. A half-dozen old books at the community library would have done.

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**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\
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Not my local library.

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**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\
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Yes, I think your library experience is perhaps atypical. We only had a bookmobile, once a week, for my early childhood. I loved my library but it wasn’t a main branch.

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What if a driver is color-blind, and is unfamiliar with the light?

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**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\
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Am I the only one who read liner notes?  
[![](https://i.etsystatic.com/8773167/r/il/e0c68d/4573224906/il_570xN.4573224906_emre.jpg) ](https://i.etsystatic.com/8773167/r/il/e0c68d/4573224906/il_570xN.4573224906_emre.jpg)

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> [@Crafter\_Man](#):
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> What if a driver is color-blind, and is unfamiliar with the light?

A couple of colorblind people on Reddit claim that the shade of red and green on traffic lights is different, so even colorblind people can tell which is which without regard to position. The interesting thing is that yellow and red traffic lights can look similar to colorblind people:

[https://www.reddit.com/r/Syracuse/comments/17n39sy/colorblind\_people\_of\_syracuse\_does\_the\_stop\_light/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Syracuse/comments/17n39sy/colorblind_people_of_syracuse_does_the_stop_light/)

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Speaking as a red-green colorblind person, in almost all circumstances I have no problem distinguishing red and green. I don’t know how typical I am in that respect. (Brown vs purple under artificial light, on the other hand, can be impossible.)

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ETA - interestingly

> People with deuteranomaly and protanomaly are often incorrectly diagnosed collectively as ‘red-green’ colour blind because both types generally have difficulty distinguishing between reds, greens, browns and oranges. They also commonly confuse different types of blue and purple hues and many other colour combinations.

Hmm. That does sound like me.

From:

[Types of Colour Blindness - Colour Blind Awareness](https://www.colourblindawareness.org/colour-blindness/types-of-colour-blindness/#:~:text=People%20with%20deuteranomaly%20and%20protanomaly,and%20many%20other%20colour%20combinations).

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I got my music trivia the correct way… Casey Kasem’s Weekly Top 40s show.  
🙂

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**Author:** ![hibernicus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hibernicus/32/2802_2.png) [@hibernicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hibernicus)\
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> [@ftg](#):
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> Davy Jones [appeared](https://www.edsullivan.com/davy-jones-on-the-ed-sullivan-show/) on the _Ed Sullivan Show_ in 1964 as part of the [cast](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hSYLLdKQx8) of _Oliver!_. (He played the Artful Dodger and got a Tony nom for that.)
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> (Too many people dismiss the abilities of the Monkees prior to their show.)

I believe 3 highly successful musicians performed in that production of Oliver!: Davy Jones, Phil Collins, and Roy Wood. Roy Wood may not be so well known in the US but he was enormously successful and influential through the 60s and 70s and into the 80s with The Move, ELO, and Wizzard, and we think of him (not fondly) at Christmas every year.

The members of the Monkees had very limited musical ability prior to their show and in the early years of the show. They produced some astonishingly good music later, however, which remains undervalued and underappreciated to this day because, well, it’s The Monkees.

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**Post date:** [October 30, 2024, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tell-us-an-interesting-random-fact-you-stumbled-across-part-2/1004785/770 "2024-10-30T22:29:14Z")

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> [@hibernicus](#):
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> The members of the Monkees had very limited musical ability prior to their show and in the early years of the show

Not all of them. At least Mike Nesmith was already a competent guitar player and prolific songwriter when the Monkees formed.

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Interesting pop music fact:  
In 1987, Tiffany was at #1 in the Billboard Top 100 with a catchy number called “I Think We’re Alone Now”. I didn’t know this at the time, but the song was a cover, originally released in 1967 by Tommy James and the Shondells.

Tiffany was knocked off the #1 spot by Billy Idol belting out his rock anthem “Mony Mony”. I didn’t know this at the time, but the song was a cover, originally released in 1968 by…

Tommy James and the Shondells.

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> [@hibernicus](#):
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> well, it’s The Monkees.

Hey, hey, they’re the Monkees. And people say they monkey around.

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> [@EinsteinsHund](#):
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> > [@hibernicus](#):
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> > The members of the Monkees had very limited musical ability prior to their show and in the early years of the show
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> Not all of them. At least Mike Nesmith was already a competent guitar player and prolific songwriter when the Monkees formed.

Peter Tork was also an established musician, have gigged around for some time.

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**Author:** ![Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiendish_astronaut/32/3295_2.png) [@Fiendish\_Astronaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiendish_Astronaut)\
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Soy sauce is not named after the soy bean. In fact soy beans after named after soy sauce.

> **[What is the Origin of the Word Soy in Soy Sauce?](https://culinarylore.com/food-history:what-is-the-origin-of-the-word-soy/)**
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> Although soy sauce comes originally from China, our word for the sauce comes from the Japanese word, shoyu. This has nothing to do with the actual Japanese word for soybeans themselves, which is daizu. The Chinese word for soy sauce, on the...

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> [@hibernicus](#):
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> The members of the Monkees had very limited musical ability prior to their show and in the early years of the show

All of the Monkees had experience as professional musicians before the show. Jones had an album (as David Jones) that reached 73 on the Cashbox chart. Tork was an accomplished multi-instrumentalist who traveled in the same Greenwich Village folk circles as Steven Stills. Nesmith had been in the songwriting and record business since 1963. Even Dolenz had his own Rock band before the show named Micky and the One-Nighters. He and Nesmith had both cut studio records before being cast in the Monkees.

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> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#):
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> Tork was an accomplished multi-instrumentalist who traveled in the same Greenwich Village folk circles as Steven Stills.

Indeed, wasn’t Stephen Stills considered for that role in the Monkees at one point?

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The story goes that it was Stills that told Tork about the auditions or told the producers there was this guy who looked a lot like him.

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> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#):
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> Am I the only one who read liner notes?

Handy, provided you’ve already bought the album. It wasn’t until I was in high school that I could afford an album.

The first 45 I ever bought, The Hollies’ “Carrie Anne”, was in 5th grade.

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Good choice of a first 45! Did you know that the three verses are sung by three different members of the band?

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> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#):
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> Jones had an album (as David Jones) that reached 73 on the Cashbox chart.

And of course his fame as Davy / David Jones caused another [David Jones](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Bowie) to have to adopt a stage name.

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