# Ten Commandments Judge: No SSM Amendment! **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 9, 2004, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ten-commandments-judge-no-ssm-amendment/233368 "2004-03-09T22:56:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2004, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ten-commandments-judge-no-ssm-amendment/233368/21 "2004-03-10T16:56:46Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > Here, look at a [picture of a duck](http://www.northrup.org/photos/ducks/crop0018.htm) and move past it. That’s one seriously ducked-up picture. Could have knocked me over with a feather when I saw that. What a downer. ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2004, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ten-commandments-judge-no-ssm-amendment/233368/22 "2004-03-10T19:52:00Z")
Darn it! Why are they all Mallards!? Why couldn’t he have included a Widgeon, Pintail, Cinnamon Teal, Bufflehead, or Canvasback? (To name five of my favorite duck species.) Uh, yeah former Judge Moore is whacked and I hope he runs for prez and siphons off votes from The Big W-Shaped Liar, too. ---
**Author:** ![ElwoodCuse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/edb3f5/32.png) [@ElwoodCuse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElwoodCuse)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2004, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ten-commandments-judge-no-ssm-amendment/233368/23 "2004-03-10T19:55:05Z")
> [@Otto](#): > > If I believed in God, I would be on my knees every night praying to God to inspire this jackass to run for president this year. Run Roy Run! Lord, please save me from your followers. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ten-commandments-judge-no-ssm-amendment/233368/24 "2004-03-12T01:05:34Z")
Sorry **Otto** but just stating: > [@](#): > > Moore used a litany of homophobic adjectives to describe homosexuality, calling it among other things “an inherent evil” that should not be tolerated while not stating the context of the only direct quite “an inherent evil”, from an obviosuly biased source **©365Gay.com® 2004** does not really prove anything except you know how to use the interent. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ten-commandments-judge-no-ssm-amendment/233368/25 "2004-03-12T02:18:41Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Sorry **Otto** but just stating: > while not stating the context of the only direct quite “an inherent evil”, from an obviosuly biased source **©365Gay.com® 2004** does not really prove anything except you know how to use the interent. Did you not see the quotes around, “immoral, detestable, a crime against nature, and a violation of the laws of nature”? Unless that was preceded with, “My ruling is…” I don’t see how context can make that anything other than rabidly homophobic. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 8:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ten-commandments-judge-no-ssm-amendment/233368/26 "2004-03-12T08:48:32Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Sorry **Otto** but just stating: > while not stating the context of the only direct quite “an inherent evil”, from an obviosuly biased source **©365Gay.com® 2004** does not really prove anything except you know how to use the interent. Oh for fuck’s sake. Are you really so invested in demeaning gay people that you felt the burning need to post this? Really, what the hell is wrong with you? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ten-commandments-judge-no-ssm-amendment/233368/27 "2004-03-12T12:45:24Z")
> [@](#): > > Oh for fuck’s sake. Are you really so invested in demeaning gay people that you felt the burning need to post this? Really, what the hell is wrong with you? I see the charge of ‘rabidly homophobic’ a very serious one, I think if this is so that a ‘pro gay’ publication could come up with more then a single quote which is obviously not even a complete sentence. I admit that quoted sentance fragment would appear to be ‘rabidly homophobic’, but it is in no way conclusive. The lack of other quotes, though doesn’t prove anything either way, opens the door to doubt. **miller** > [@](#): > > Did you not see the quotes around, “immoral, detestable, a crime against nature, and a violation of the laws of nature”? Unless that was preceded with, “My ruling is…” I don’t see how context can make that anything other than rabidly homophobic. History has seen homosexuality as “…”, but … ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ten-commandments-judge-no-ssm-amendment/233368/28 "2004-03-12T12:50:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Are you really so invested in demeaning gay people that you felt the burning need to post this? I missed this one the 1st time. How is defending someone that has inconclusive evidence presented against him demeaning gay people??? ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ten-commandments-judge-no-ssm-amendment/233368/29 "2004-03-12T16:09:55Z")
From Moore’s concurring opinion in the case **Otto** mentions: > [@](#): > > “I write specially to state that the homosexual conduct of a parent - - conduct involving a sexual relationship between two persons of the same gender - - creates a strong presumption of unfitness that alone is sufficient justification for denying that parent custody of his or her own children or prohibiting the adoption of the children of others. In this case there is undisputed evidence that the mother of the minor children not only dated another woman, but lived with that woman, shared a bed with her, and had an intimate physical and sexual relationship with her. . . . But Alabama expressly does not recognize same sex marriages or domestic partnerships. . . . Homosexual conduct is, and has been, considered abhorrent, immoral, detestable, a crime against nature, and a violation of the laws of nature and of nature’s God upon which this Nation and our laws are predicated. Such conduct violates both the criminal and civil laws of this State and is destructive to a basic building block of society–the family. The law of Alabama is not only clear in its condemning such conduct, but the courts of this State have consistently held that exposing a child to such behavior has a destructive and seriously detrimental effect on the children. It is an inherent evil against which children must be protected.” If he wasn’t rabidly anti-gay why would he even have bothered to write a concurring opinion? BTW, the quote above is from a [website that supports him](http://www.wcuweb.com/Documents/PRESSRELEASES&ARTICLES&LETTERS/2002,2-28%20JudgeRoyMoore.htm). ---
**Author:** ![tangochick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6f9a4e/32.png) [@tangochick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tangochick)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ten-commandments-judge-no-ssm-amendment/233368/30 "2004-03-12T16:33:40Z")
The government has NO place dictating whom can marry whom. If two consenting adults want to get married, in the government’s eyes, gender should not matter. If two people of the same sex want a civil union so that they receive government benefits, there should be no law against it. However, religious institutions should have no part in the government’s recognition of such unions. Separation of church and state anyone? A church can refuse to marry a same sex couple, that is their right. But if our government amends the Constitution against SSM, I will seriously be frightened for this country’s future. The government has no right to condemn what goes on in the privacy of two consenting adult’s bedrooms. ---
**Author:** ![HoldOnThere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e36b37/32.png) [@HoldOnThere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HoldOnThere)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ten-commandments-judge-no-ssm-amendment/233368/31 "2004-03-12T16:56:03Z")
Do you think there is a market for making little chairs for Ducks? He looks so uncomfortable sitting on that log. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ten-commandments-judge-no-ssm-amendment/233368/32 "2004-03-12T20:07:30Z")
[Slate](http://slate.msn.com/id/2096996/) is speculating that the Roy for Prez movement is gaining some momentum. Oh please, pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease, let him run! ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ten-commandments-judge-no-ssm-amendment/233368/33 "2004-03-12T23:21:35Z")
**Homebrew** thank you. the quote, actually the fragment of the quote: > [@](#): > > conduct involving a sexual relationship between two persons of the same gender - - creates a strong presumption of unfitness Proves to me that this guy IS in fact anti-homosexual. He is not just condeming the act but the person, and counters my argument that he might see the act as a sin, but we are all sinners and it is the person that God loves. As for homophobic - which IIRC means afraid of homosexuals, I don’t think he is afraid of them, or at least that has not been proven, actually it seems he is willing to stand up to them. As for rabbid, I have not seen any medical records to prove it either way. Good enough **Otto**? ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2004, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ten-commandments-judge-no-ssm-amendment/233368/34 "2004-03-12T23:33:45Z")
> [@Ilsa\_Lund](#): > > WAIT WAIT WAIT! Is it an _African_ duck, or a _European_ duck? How fast does it fly? Laden or unladen? Seriously, on another board I belong to, a fair number of right-wing Christian members are seriously pushing Moore’s Constitution Party – because, in their view, GWB is not standing up for Christian values! :rolleyes: (I agree, but for diametically opposed reasons.) ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2004, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ten-commandments-judge-no-ssm-amendment/233368/35 "2004-03-13T00:47:54Z")
> [@kanicbird](#): > > Good enough **Otto**? Not really. It is wel established that [homophobia](http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=homophobia) doesn’t simply mean “fear of homosexuals,” and common usage of the word [rabid](http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=rabid) is zealous or enthusiastic. So while your partial concession is appreciated, your actual post is more ridiculousness. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2004, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ten-commandments-judge-no-ssm-amendment/233368/36 "2004-03-13T00:59:30Z")
Since Cincinnati is spoken for, I would like to marry the duck. By the way, Alabama still has anti-miscegenation laws on the books. That’s not relevant to me and the duck–I’m just saying. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2004, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ten-commandments-judge-no-ssm-amendment/233368/37 "2004-03-13T12:28:57Z")
Using your definition **Otto** I will also agree to homophobic. I don’t think the term rabbid really applies, well not with the cites provided. The thing that is worth noting is he has the power to directly influnce the lives of people and not afraid to apply his view of reality on others, you might be taking that as rabid. > [@](#): > > Separation of church and state anyone? - **tangochick** Which is really an interpretation of the Constitution and not stated in it. IIRC it is an interpretation of an interpretation, but not entirely sure about that. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ten-commandments-judge-no-ssm-amendment/233368.md?page=1)