# Teresa Heinz Kerry implies being a teacher is not a real job ? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 20, 2004, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-implies-being-a-teacher-is-not-a-real-job/270241 "2004-10-20T17:03:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Who\_me\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/958977/32.png) [@Who\_me\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Who_me_1)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-implies-being-a-teacher-is-not-a-real-job/270241/21 "2004-10-20T17:46:33Z")
> [@Kel Varnsen - Latex Division](#): > > Do you really think it is possible that she doesn’t know the most basic elements of Laura Bush’s history? Everybody knows she was a teacher. Add me to those that didn’t know… ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-implies-being-a-teacher-is-not-a-real-job/270241/22 "2004-10-20T17:47:41Z")
> [@KidCharlemagne](#): > > This post is disingenuous and represents all that is wrong with the SDMB. Well, all that is wrong with the Latex Division of the SDMB anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-implies-being-a-teacher-is-not-a-real-job/270241/23 "2004-10-20T17:48:38Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > Of course, the way that it also sounds like being a ‘grown up’ only happens when you get married and have a family might make this one something that feminist supporters of Kerry have a problem with. Or it would if anybody was going to pay attention to this. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Nars\_Glinley](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nars_glinley/32/8177_2.png) [@Nars\_Glinley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nars_Glinley)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-implies-being-a-teacher-is-not-a-real-job/270241/24 "2004-10-20T17:55:26Z")
Although I would agree that this is a non-story, it does seem fairly clear from her statement that she is implying that Mrs. Bush has never held a job. She compares their “experience and validation” and says that they come from different things. I take this difference to be having held a job. She also says that because she is older and has had _different experiences_, her validation is bigger. Again, I consider the “different experiences” to equate to employment. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-implies-being-a-teacher-is-not-a-real-job/270241/25 "2004-10-20T17:57:22Z")
I found her statement as posted above to be condescending, stupid and illogical. Still, she didn’t say what you said she did and, as mentioned, what she did say was of absolutely no consequence. ---
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-implies-being-a-teacher-is-not-a-real-job/270241/26 "2004-10-20T17:58:03Z")
This comes out of the mouth of someone whose claim to fame is marrying into a billion dollar empire? What real job did she ever have? Kneepad tester? ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-implies-being-a-teacher-is-not-a-real-job/270241/27 "2004-10-20T18:04:14Z")
> [@](#): > > Or it would if anybody was going to pay attention to this. Is there some problem with me disliking the idea that a woman’s a ‘grown up’ after she gets married and has kids? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-implies-being-a-teacher-is-not-a-real-job/270241/28 "2004-10-20T18:11:31Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > Is there some problem with me disliking the idea that a woman’s a ‘grown up’ after she gets married and has kids? No, I just think it’s a non-issue. > [@BwanaBob](#): > > This comes out of the mouth of someone whose claim to fame is > marrying into a billion dollar empire? > > What real job did she ever have? Kneepad tester? Running a multimillion dollar charitable foundation isn’t a real job? Maybe we need a thread to determine what the fuck a real job is. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-implies-being-a-teacher-is-not-a-real-job/270241/29 "2004-10-20T18:14:26Z")
> [@BwanaBob](#): > > This comes out of the mouth of someone whose claim to fame is > marrying into a billion dollar empire? > > What real job did she ever have? Kneepad tester? [THK](http://www.johnkerry.com/about/teresa_heinz_kerry/) > [@](#): > > After studying at the University of the Witwatersrand in South Africa and the University of Geneva, she moved to the United States and got a job working for the Trusteeship Council of the United Nations. In 1966, she married Senator John Heinz whom she met when they were graduate students and with whom she had three sons. Shortly after celebrating their 25th wedding anniversary in 1991, she lost her husband in a plane crash. > > Turning down offers to seek election to her husband’s Senate seat to take care of her sons, family and professional responsibilities, she became chairman of The Howard Heinz Endowment and the Heinz Family Philanthropies. Under her leadership, the Heinz foundations are widely known for developing innovative strategies to protect the environment, improve education and the lives of young children, reduce the cost of prescription drugs, promote the arts and help women achieve financial economic security. She established the Women’s Institute for a Secure Retirement in 1996 to educate women about pensions, savings, and retirement security. This is from John Kerry’s website but I have no indication that it isn’t accurate. No word on what her responsibilities were with the UN or what if any jobs she held during her marriage to Senator Heinz. Your characterization of her as a woman who blew her way into a fortune is vulgar and without basis. Asshole. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-implies-being-a-teacher-is-not-a-real-job/270241/30 "2004-10-20T18:18:59Z")
Couldn’t we have some sort of rule about misleading thread titles? I’m really getting fucking SICK of this shit. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-implies-being-a-teacher-is-not-a-real-job/270241/31 "2004-10-20T18:20:38Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > Is there some problem with me disliking the idea that a woman’s a ‘grown up’ after she gets married and has kids? No problem at all. Please be good enough to refrain from attributing it to Mrs. Heinz-Kerry until more evidence shows that she subscribes to it. Not that you _have_ attributed it to her. I’m just trying to forestall any more ugliness arising from a foundation of pure speculation. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-implies-being-a-teacher-is-not-a-real-job/270241/32 "2004-10-20T18:23:51Z")
> [@Marley23](#): > > No, I just think it’s a non-issue. I think this whole thread is a non-issue. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-implies-being-a-teacher-is-not-a-real-job/270241/33 "2004-10-20T18:26:21Z")
> [@catsix](#): > > Either way it doesn’t come across well. It’s been publicized many times that Laura Bush was a teacher, especially when all of the ‘No Child Left Behind’ stuff started. Of course, the way that it also sounds like being a ‘grown up’ only happens when you get married and have a family might make this one something that feminist supporters of Kerry have a problem with. I’m pretty damned informed on this election and I have no idea what Laura Bush’s biography is. I had no idea she had been either a librarian or a teacher, nor did I particularly care. It may have been publicized, but that doesn’t mean I paid attention to that drek. As for the “grown up” comment, I think she was referring actually to grown up and discounting a teenage summer job or something. She was probably under the impression, as was I, that Laura Bush married George right after college and became a housewife/country club. ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-implies-being-a-teacher-is-not-a-real-job/270241/34 "2004-10-20T19:15:13Z")
> [@Kel Varnsen - Latex Division](#): > > I guess being a teacher is not a real job to Teresa Heinz Kerry. Maybe someone should tell her about how teachers and school librarians work and how much good they do. > [http://usatoday.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=USATODAY.com+-+The+real+running+mates&expire=&urlID=12008716&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fnews%2Fpoliticselections%2F2004-10-19-teresa\_x.htm&partnerID=1660](http://usatoday.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=USATODAY.com+-+The+real+running+mates&expire=&urlID=12008716&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fnews%2Fpoliticselections%2F2004-10-19-teresa_x.htm&partnerID=1660) > > [http://www.whitehouse.gov/firstlady/flbio.html](http://www.whitehouse.gov/firstlady/flbio.html) This is just another chicken-shit non-issue you people on the right love to get agitated about. As anybody who actually read the whole quote could tell, Teresa Heinz Kerry pled ignorance about Laura Bush’s occupational history. She wasn’t trying to run down teachers or librarians as you insinuate. Besides, when was the last time Laura Bush cashed a paycheck as either a teacher or librarian? ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-implies-being-a-teacher-is-not-a-real-job/270241/35 "2004-10-20T19:40:53Z")
> [@GaWd](#): > > Me either. I mean, it’s not important. I don’t vote for president by the behaviors/characters/job history of their spouses. Don’t you care about the issues?! Yeah, me either. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-implies-being-a-teacher-is-not-a-real-job/270241/36 "2004-10-20T19:44:11Z")
> [@Kel Varnsen - Latex Division](#): > > Do you really think it is possible that she doesn’t know the most basic elements of Laura Bush’s history? Everybody knows she was a teacher. I can’t say that I remember her job before either. I DO, however, remember her [KILLING SOMEONE.](http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3910b26e685a.htm) I guess somethings stick in your memory more than others. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-implies-being-a-teacher-is-not-a-real-job/270241/37 "2004-10-20T19:52:45Z")
Goddamn it, I remember John Kerry killing someone too although, unlike Laura, he did it intentionally. As with Laura, I think Kerry’s action is not an issue in this election. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-implies-being-a-teacher-is-not-a-real-job/270241/38 "2004-10-20T20:19:35Z")
> [@lieu](#): > > Goddamn it, I remember John Kerry killing someone too although, unlike Laura, he did it intentionally. > > As with Laura, I think Kerry’s action is not an issue in this election. Well, of course Kerry’s was in a war and was given directive and wasn’t a topic of this thread. OTOH, Laura (Welch) Bush oddly enough didn’t even get jail time or [even a ticket for her actions.](http://www.thetyee.ca/Life/current/Tell+Laura+I+Love+Her.htm) > [@](#): > > Laura’s idyllic teenage life, however, was shattered two days after her seventeenth birthday, when she ran a stop sign and hit a car driven by her classmate Michael Douglas. The accident occurred just after 8:00 p.m. on Wednesday night, November 6, 1963. > > According to friends, Laura left in the car, upset about something that had happened at home, and picked up her friend Judy Dykes a few blocks away. They drove north out of town and turned east on Farm Road 868, which we called “The Loop,” the road to the good parking spots among the mesquite bushes. At the corner of Big Springs, the highway that continues north to Lubbock, Laura ran the stop sign and slammed into the right front of Michael’s southbound 1962 Corvair.\*\* A police report was filed, but no citation was issued.\*\* > Laura was being treated for minor injuries at Midland Memorial Hospital when she heard that Michael had died at the scene from a broken neck. She was devastated. At school, students talked of a relationship between Laura and Michael. Stories circulated that Douglas was Laura Welch’s “fiancé” or her “boyfriend,” but whether this was so remained unknown to any but Laura’s closest friends, who never confirmed the stories. Years later, Regan Gammon, Laura’s confidant since they were young girls, would only say that Michael was “a very close friend of Laura’s.” > > Douglas was on the track team, but I remembered him as a member of the “Rebel Brigade,” the coolest studs in the school, the boys who drove the jeep with the huge Confederate flag at football games. Douglas was a leader among the leaders, smart, handsome, and kind to everyone. > > The tragic accident overwhelmed Laura. She did not return to school until after Christmas. When she did return to complete her senior year, she never mentioned the accident, even among her friends, and no one brought it up in her presence. So, she ran a stop sign, which tends to be illegal, and then kills someone, which is usually illegal too in the US, and not even a ticket. You’re right. It’s not a topic for this election either. It should be a non-issue. But unfortunately, turd blossoms\* like **Kel Varnsen** keep bringing this mularky up. \*Bush’s pet name for Karl Rove. ---
**Author:** ![stpauler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9d8465/32.png) [@stpauler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/stpauler)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-implies-being-a-teacher-is-not-a-real-job/270241/39 "2004-10-20T20:21:27Z")
> [@stpauler](#): > > But unfortunately, turd blossoms\* like **Kel Varnsen** keep bringing this mularky up. And by “this”, I mean the contents of the OP, not my subsequent diversions. ---
**Author:** ![Blackacre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@Blackacre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blackacre)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2004, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-implies-being-a-teacher-is-not-a-real-job/270241/40 "2004-10-20T20:30:01Z")
Holy moly, didn’t know about Ms. Bush killing her boyfriend! What are the chances of that happening, as described in the cite??? Makes one wonder… BA [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-implies-being-a-teacher-is-not-a-real-job/270241.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-implies-being-a-teacher-is-not-a-real-job/270241.md?page=3)