# Teresa Heinz Kerry vs. The Governator **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 18, 2004, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-vs-the-governator/264899 "2004-09-18T20:56:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-vs-the-governator/264899/21 "2004-09-21T06:25:53Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > Actually, I think Theresa’s problem isn’ t that she’s perceived as a foreigner. Her problem is that she is perceived as being a bitch. From her ‘shove it’ comment to her later comment that people who didn’t like her husband’s health care plan were ‘idiots’, to her self-serving speech at the convention where she barely mentioned her husband, I think she is perceived as a fairly nasty, self-absorbed, out of touch rich person. At least, that’s the way she comes across to me. And yet Arnold can be rude, make comments about “girly men”, insult others and make sexist remarks, but he’s not a jerk? Again, it’s pure sexism. Nothing more, nothing less. (Not necessarily directed at YOU, **Sam** , just the whole idea of strong women being “bitches”). ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-vs-the-governator/264899/22 "2004-09-21T06:29:22Z")
No, I understand. And you’re right. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-vs-the-governator/264899/23 "2004-09-21T07:20:58Z")
**Guinastasia** , I think plenty of people called Arnold a jerk over his “girlie men” comment, and I believe he has apologized for the sexist remarks he made years ago. If there are more recent ones I’m not aware of them. However, so far as I know he hasn’t called political opponents “idiots,” or “scumbags,” or told any reporters to “shove it.” Nor is he a free-floating political gadfly. He gets down in the trenches and fights the difficult day-to-day battles necessary to get things done, and he gets them done successfully. He has shown by virtue of a lot of hard work and by the amazing successes he’s acheived that he is someone worthy of respect and to be taken seriously. Therefore I think perhaps a certain double-standard comes into effect, but I don’t think it’s sexist in nature. I think THK just isn’t perceived as having earned the standing to be behaving the way she does, whereas Arnold has. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-vs-the-governator/264899/24 "2004-09-21T08:50:20Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > (Maybe she is a deep-cover Republican operative? :eek:) Well…Senator Heinz WAS a Republican. Now stop letting on about our secret weapon, **Brutus!** :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Balle\_M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/13edae/32.png) [@Balle\_M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balle_M)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-vs-the-governator/264899/25 "2004-09-21T13:29:37Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Well…Senator Heinz WAS a Republican. Now stop letting on about our secret weapon, **Brutus!** :mad: Hmm…Does anyone know what Karl Rove looks like in drag? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2004, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-vs-the-governator/264899/26 "2004-09-21T15:12:22Z")
> [@Balle\_M](#): > > Hmm…Does anyone know what Karl Rove looks like in drag? :eek: Thank you for putting that image into my head. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/teresa-heinz-kerry-vs-the-governator/264899.md?page=1)