How do you know that your plan is even possible within the rules of time travel of the movie? You are assuming facts that are simply not in evidence in order t construct an incredibly complex plan that you, and only you, think is better.
How do you know that the plans for the time machine could even fit within a Terminator’s memory? An unmanned attack drone has a lot of processing power, but that doesn’t mean that I can send one into the field with working plans for the Large Hadron Collider.
Your “superior” plan requires you to make a hell of a lot of assumptions that simply are not in evidence within the story. That doesn’t make it a superior plan, or highlight a plot hole. It just means that you are unable to comprehend how complicated the real world is.
You seriously have to ask this question?
Just using the knowledge available from public library from 1985, or from Wikipedia today, can you be certain that Adolph Hitler was a real person? Sufficiently sure that sending someone back in time to execute him would be a sensible move?
Can you, just using the knowledge available from public library from 1985, or from Wikipedia today, have the necessary information to find Adolph Hitler before he turns 30?
Now repeat that question with half a dozen other historical figures. Vladimir Lenin? John Lennon? Julius Caesar? Sid Caesar? Marie Curie? Mariah Carey?
Now, try this same exercise with their mothers.
We can be absolutely sure that she exists. Wikipedia or a public library will tell you her name and even where she was her famous child was born. But you tell me what her address was before the child was born or provide me with a photograph of the woman.
Go on, I’ll wait.
Once again, you don’t seem to understand how complicated the real world is. For you to even ask how Skynet could be absolutely sure that Hitler’s mother existed but not know anything more than the town where she lived when he was born is mind boggling.
Yes that’s right. And that would be a boring movie. But that’s not a plot hole.
What if Forrest Gump had died at birth? Film’s over. What if the Nazgul had captured Frodo at Bree? Film’s over. What if George Bailey went on his overseas trip? Film’s over. But none of those things did happen in those films.
In the interesting Terminator movie that was actually made, the intelligence that Skynet thought was highly reliable, turned out to be highly reliable. Relying on intelligence that is merely “highly reliable and corroborated by multiple sources” rather than “absolutely, graven in stone true” doesn’t make a bad plan. In the real world, that is the only type of intelligence that actually exists.
And as everybody else in this thread keeps telling you: only you believe that because you don’t understand how the real world works.
Were the Normandy Invasions also a stupid plan? After all, the intelligence behind them were merely “highly reliable and corroborated by multiple sources” rather than “absolutely, graven in stone true”. What if the Nazis had a thousand divisions waiting on those beaches. Film’s over.
Must have been a stupid plan. Right?
This doesn’t even make any sense.
I ask once again, can you please explain what steps a highly advanced AI would take to locate someone via their DNA. Don’t just handwave about “advanced” and “DNA”. Tell us all what actual steps should be taken.
The movie tells us that Skynet did have evidence that John Connor wasn’t a legend. It even knew where he was born and his mother’s name.
Can you please tell us why you believe it didn’t have that evidence. Evidence equivalent to the evidence that any public library could provide about Adolph Hitler.
What makes you think there were few humans left alive? The movie mentions hundreds of millions of people being killed. Even if it was billions that were killed, that still potentially leaves billions of humans on the planet. In what sense is that a few?
Why? You seem to have this misguided idea that DNA is somehow magical. If I see a person and he tells me his name is John Connor, then can you explain why you think I will be more certain of his existence by collecting a DNA sample from him?
WTF?
You do not need unique identifier. Can you please tell me what “unique” identifier they used to track Che Guevara. Or are you perhaps arguing that they didn’t track Che Guevara?
This has got to be the stupidest comments I have read for months. It betrays such a comprehensive lack of knowledge of history, human behaviour and science simultaneously that my head is hurting.
We aren’t talking about identifying the corpse. We are asking about your claim that DNA could be used to actually locate Sarah Connor. You claimed that “DNA” was a more effective way of finding Sarah Connor than using the phone book. Not that is was a good way to ID a corpse, but that it could have been used in place of a phone book to locate her.
You still haven’t explained in any way at all how this could be done. All you have done is handwaved about something being “advanced”.
The writers knew a lot more more about DNA than you do. They at least understood that it can’t be used to actually find someone who has no criminal record.
The fact that you are utterly unable to explain what steps can be taken to locate someone via “DNA” tells us all we need to know.
Yes, and when Sarah Connors started to get murdered, what do you think those other Sarah Connors would do?
Can you explain what difference you think that makes? It’s standard film shorthand to have named characters do everything. What difference do you think that makes to the fact that the advice is standard advice given by emergency services when someone call in claiming they are being followed?
Based on the fact that it took down an entire police station and survived an exploding fuel tanker, I would guess forever.
Once women called Sarah Connor knew they were being hunted, they would seek police protection. That places the names and current locations of every last one of them on the same list in the same location. It is the only way I can think of to ensure that every last Sarah Connor is located.
In contrast, you have a plan to find them by “DNA”, that works by being “advanced”.
That’s it. That’s literally all that you have. No details. Not even the vaguest outline.
Just:
Collect DNA from John Connor
Be advanced
???
Locate Sarah Connor
Profit.
How do you know this is even possible? Do you have any idea what the operating parameters of the machine are? The machine had to be destroyed rapidly according to the movie. How do you know it doesn’t take years to change the destination? How do you know that humans can even learn how to change the destination before they have to destroy it?
Once again, you are finding plot holes based upon stuff you made up.
Yes that’s right. At that stage, the plan went gone wrong due to the unforeseen intervention of Reece. That doesn’t mean that storming the police station was the optimal solution.
Pointing out that a plan isn’t absolutely foolproof isn’t a plot hole. The plan to blow up the Death Star wasn’t absolutely foolproof. That didn’t make it a plot hole. It made it a source of tension. In the real world, no plan is absolutely foolproof. In movies, that fact is used to generate tension. It’s a sign of a good movie, not a failing.
- There is no reason to believe the machine can be re-targeted at all by the humans. The only ever send people through to locations that Skynet has already targeted. Given that humans only held the machine for a brief period before destroying it, it seems implausible that they had worked out how to fly it.
- There is no reason to believe that even if humans can re-target the machine, they can do so in the short time they had before they needed to destroy the machine.
- There is no reason to believe the machine’s location is known with greater precision than a few km. In fact all the evidence suggests the exact opposite.
Once again, all your objections rely on the rules you have made up about how things work. They don’t actually contradict anything in the script.
- There is no reason to believe the machine can be re-targeted at all by the humans.
- There is no reason to believe that even if humans can re-target the machine, they can do so in the short time they had before they needed to destroy the machine.
- Reece is a severely traumatised, mentally and emotionally fucked up individual suffering from PTSD. He is utterly unable to function in the modern world. Sarah Connor sees him as a psychotic villain. She does not trust him and if he tries to tell her the truth she will call the cops and get him locked up. This is all shown explicitly in the movie.
Yet your entire plan hinges on Sarah believing him and trusting him utterly with no evidence at all and actually marry him. And you think the plans the writers came up with has flaws.
I agree. Any plan that relies entirely on a pretty young woman marrying a socially dysfunction PTSD sufferer with no identification and no history is a really, really stupid plan.
Dude, seriously. Your plot holes are based on nothing but your private ideas of how future technology works. They aren’t based on anything shown in the movie.
Your alternative plans are based upon some idea that “DNA” will magically allow you to locate people with no criminal history and that women will inevitably marry violent, psychologically scarred drifters with no ID, no background and no social skills.
:rolleyes:
