# Terminator:SCC 2/25/08
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-scc-2-25-08/439183
**Category:** Cafe Society
**Created:** [February 26, 2008, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-scc-2-25-08/439183 "2008-02-26T03:11:12Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirka_T_Bawa)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2008, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-scc-2-25-08/439183/1 "2008-02-26T03:11:12Z")
I didn’t see a thread for this episode yet, and I was wondering what everyone else thought of it.
I thought this episode was pretty good, I liked how they refered back to the 2nd movie in it. I see that next week is the final, I hope this show gets renewed, I think it has a lot of room to grow.
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### Author:  [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2008, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-scc-2-25-08/439183/2 "2008-02-26T03:13:25Z")
This episode was fantastic. And I really liked what they did with Dr. Silberman. After the events of T2, there’s no way he could just go back to being normal. You saw it in his eyes, when the T-1000 walked through the bars he became a true believer.
That’s what I was hoping this show would do.
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### Author:  [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2008, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-scc-2-25-08/439183/3 "2008-02-26T03:25:26Z")
Did Ellison let Sarah walk, or did she just drag him outside without untying him?
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### Author:  [@WarmNPrickly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WarmNPrickly)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2008, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-scc-2-25-08/439183/4 "2008-02-26T03:58:53Z")
I was confused, because for some reason I thought Ellison was a terminator. Huh. I don’t konw why I thought that.
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### Author:  [@jellyblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jellyblue)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2008, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-scc-2-25-08/439183/5 "2008-02-26T06:25:35Z")
[QUOTE=Christopher]
I was confused, because for some reason I thought Ellison was a terminator. Huh. I don’t konw why I thought that.
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No, I thought that too, for quite some time. Something about the way he was presented in the first episode was…Terminator-ish.
Was the music that Glauminator was dancing to in the end the same music that was playing in the prison camp Kyle’s brother was in (can’t remember his name)?
My WAG was that he gave up the resistance location under torture and feels eternally guilty about it. He’s a great actor, very compelling. He’s got a face like a magnet. I hope we find out more about him assuring Sarah that he didn’t kill Andy when in fact, he did.
It was pretty damn cold when Cameron left the Russians to die. Strategically, a good move, but still. Brr.
Oh, and Sarah? If that’s the tape you never want the kid to see, DON’T BRING IT HOME TO DESTROY IT!! Sheesh! There wasn’t a BRIDGE she could have tossed it off before she got home?
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### Author:  [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2008, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-scc-2-25-08/439183/6 "2008-02-26T06:45:33Z")
[QUOTE=jellyblue]
Oh, and Sarah? If that’s the tape you never want the kid to see, DON’T BRING IT HOME TO DESTROY IT!! Sheesh! There wasn’t a BRIDGE she could have tossed it off before she got home?
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One might argue that she actually WANTED John to see it because of her guilt.
I also really enjoyed this episode, although it would have been a great chance to get Earl Boen the actor who played Dr. Silberman in all 3 movies, to guest star.
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### Author:  [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2008, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-scc-2-25-08/439183/7 "2008-02-26T07:45:10Z")
Just one issue…are they saying that the events of T2 took place in 199_7_, now?
I mean, they couldn’t have happened the same year that the movie actually came out, granted, since John would have been too young. But according to the Terminator’s dialogue in the same movie, it took three years (from that moment in time) for Cyberdyne to become a major military contractor, and build Skynet in time for Judgement Day on 8/29/97.
Of course, maybe Sarah was recaptured _again_, then gave up her parental rights before being rescued. Again.
EDIT: By the by…who d’ya suppose was the name the Russian guy gave Cameron? Charles Bishop Weyland jr, maybe? 😃
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### Author:  [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2008, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-scc-2-25-08/439183/8 "2008-02-26T08:38:26Z")
[QUOTE=jellyblue]
My WAG was that he gave up the resistance location under torture and feels eternally guilty about it.
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I remember when watching the episode I was thinking “wait, the machines mysteriously let you go, so you run back to your secret base? Idiots! They’re tracking you” but obviously that’s not the angle they were working. Giving the location under torture might make sense - they’d rush back to see if anything was left, knowing it wouldn’t matter if they were tracked.
I like that they’re having characters that aren’t too dumb to ignore what they see in front of them. From the beginning of the show I expected the cop to always be chasing Sarah and despite all of the weirds happening around her life never wonder whether there was anything to what she said. It’s interesting that they’re taking this direction.
It was nice to see Silverman and how he changed. His brief appearance in T3 was pretty funny.
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### Author:  [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2008, 10:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-scc-2-25-08/439183/9 "2008-02-26T10:20:04Z")
[QUOTE=jellyblue]
It was pretty damn cold when Cameron left the Russians to die. Strategically, a good move, but still. Brr.
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Which made her smile all that much more chilling. I wondered if she was programmed to ever smile. Of course, around John and Sarah, she doesn’t need to. For a cyborg to infiltrate successfully, though, it would be necessary for it to simulate at least some basic types of human emotion. And I didn’t remember her smiling at John quite like that in the first episode.
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### Author:  [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2008, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-scc-2-25-08/439183/10 "2008-02-26T12:45:10Z")
Ms Glau really has ballet experience - I wonder if she asked for that to be a plot element or the producers/writers just decided to take advantage of it
Brian
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### Author:  [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2008, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-scc-2-25-08/439183/11 "2008-02-26T14:15:05Z")
[QUOTE=Ranchoth]
By the by…who d’ya suppose was the name the Russian guy gave Cameron? Charles Bishop Weyland jr, maybe? 😃
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That’s from _Alien(s)_, right? Bishop and Weyland-Yutani. I wouldn’t put it past them, considering the (James) Cameron and (Harlan) Ellison names.
Anyone else recognize the actor who plays Silberman as the dad on Knight Rider?
[Quote=Oslo Ostrogoth]
Did Ellison let Sarah walk, or did she just drag him outside without untying him?
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This show lets the audience fill in those blanks. Use your imagination.
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### Author:  [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2008, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-scc-2-25-08/439183/12 "2008-02-26T16:03:51Z")
[QUOTE=The Controvert]
That’s from _Alien(s)_, right? Bishop and Weyland-Yutani. I wouldn’t put it past them, considering the (James) Cameron and (Harlan) Ellison names.
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I thought it was interesting that the name of this episode, the one where Ellison starts to realize the truth, was “The Glass Hand”.
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### Author:  [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2008, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-scc-2-25-08/439183/13 "2008-02-26T16:14:31Z")
[QUOTE=Lightnin’]
I thought it was interesting that the name of this episode, the one where Ellison starts to realize the truth, was “The Glass Hand”.
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My on-screen TV guide had it as “The Satan Hand.”
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### Author:  [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2008, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-scc-2-25-08/439183/14 "2008-02-26T16:15:58Z")
[QUOTE=N9IWP]
Ms Glau really has ballet experience - I wonder if she asked for that to be a plot element or the producers/writers just decided to take advantage of it
Brian
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I really liked her ballet sequence, and a great setup to the “too mechanical” gag. If she wasn’t so busy, she would rock on _Dancing With The Stars_. As a bonus she could fouetté jeté Len Goodman’s head into the audience.
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### Author:  [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2008, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-scc-2-25-08/439183/15 "2008-02-26T16:22:22Z")
[QUOTE=cochrane]
Which made her smile all that much more chilling. I wondered if she was programmed to ever smile. Of course, around John and Sarah, she doesn’t need to. For a cyborg to infiltrate successfully, though, it would be necessary for it to simulate at least some basic types of human emotion. And I didn’t remember her smiling at John quite like that in the first episode.
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I have a theory that Cameron is actually either part human (i.e. human brain) or imprinted with the mind of a significant human (i.e. John’s daughter or wife who is critically wounded). She might be faking the whole “I’m a robot” mannerisms, responses, and attitude, because if the Connors realize her secret, she would have a harder time completing her mission. Guess we’ll find out next week what that “big secret” really is.
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### Author:  [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2008, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-scc-2-25-08/439183/16 "2008-02-26T18:21:36Z")
[QUOTE=Otto]
My on-screen TV guide had it as “The Satan Hand.”
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And mine called it The Demon Hand". Weird.
I recognized Silberman as the Senator from X-Men.
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### Author:  [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2008, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-scc-2-25-08/439183/17 "2008-02-26T19:44:51Z")
[QUOTE=JSexton]
I recognized Silberman as the Senator from X-Men.
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[Bruce Davison](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Davison), also known for starring in the original _Willard_ and for his Oscar nomination for the early AIDS drama _Longtime Companion_.
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### Author:  [@thirdname](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdname)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2008, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-scc-2-25-08/439183/18 "2008-02-26T21:19:29Z")
Will I ruin everything if I see this one without having seen the last one? Fox has an “on demand” thing on its website that I could watch, but it wants to install software and I don’t trust Rupert Murdoch with my computer.
By the way, my Tivo caught the end credits of “Moment of Truth” and I thought the music sounded a little like a ripoff of the general Terminator theme.
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### Author:  [@Hirka\_T\_Bawa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hirka_T_Bawa)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2008, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-scc-2-25-08/439183/19 "2008-02-26T21:22:19Z")
You should be able to see this episode if you missed the last one. The last episode focused mainly on the future. This episode pretty much takes over from two episodes ago, when the turk was stolen.
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### Author:  [@WarmNPrickly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WarmNPrickly)
#### Post date: [February 26, 2008, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-scc-2-25-08/439183/20 "2008-02-26T21:24:13Z")
I thought it was questionable whether the glauminator was good or evil. In the last episode, they made it clear that “sometimes they go bad”. Then later in the episode, we see her stowing away the chip from the terminator that she was supposed to destroy. I don’t think she let the russians die for strategic reasons, I just think she didn’t care.
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