# Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles Season 2 Part 2 thread \[open spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 13, 2009, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-part-2-thread-open-spoilers/485694 "2009-02-13T15:53:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-part-2-thread-open-spoilers/485694/241 "2009-04-07T12:55:10Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > There will be closure to the current storyline. From the linked article: > > So, it will be wrapped up at the end of the episode. It all depends on people’s expectations how neat the package is. Well, the article says this season’s story will be wrapped up, but not the series. I’m not sure what that means though; isn’t this season pretty much about the whole story? It’s not like I didn’t know this is a franchise and they’re going to make more movies so whatever got resolved here wouldn’t canonically prevent the moviemakers from simply coming up with yet another future to cause problems. I was really digging the possibility of Weaver representing a third faction in the human/metal war, though. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-part-2-thread-open-spoilers/485694/242 "2009-04-07T19:15:49Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > Well, the article says this season’s story will be wrapped up, but not the series. I’m not sure what that means though; isn’t this season pretty much about the whole story? > > It’s not like I didn’t know this is a franchise and they’re going to make more movies so whatever got resolved here wouldn’t canonically prevent the moviemakers from simply coming up with yet another future to cause problems. I was really digging the possibility of Weaver representing a third faction in the human/metal war, though. I read spoilers about the final episode. I will not share them here, but if they are true, it will be as close to containing the series as possible while leaving future possibilities open. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 7, 2009, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-part-2-thread-open-spoilers/485694/243 "2009-04-07T19:50:16Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > I read spoilers about the final episode. I will not share them here, but if they are true, it will be as close to containing the series as possible while leaving future possibilities open. Wild speculation - Zeracorp gets blown up, destroying John Henry’s databanks, but he will successfully download himself to Cromartie and get out before the explosion. Or he’ll upload himself thanks to his internet connection. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![AndrewL](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@AndrewL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AndrewL)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-part-2-thread-open-spoilers/485694/244 "2009-04-08T00:54:02Z")
The cancellation of this show is not official, and there is good reason to doubt the blogger who claims otherwise. [http://terminatorwiki.fox.com/thread/2659855/The+Lanie+Grace+](http://terminatorwiki.fox.com/thread/2659855/The+Lanie+Grace+)(blogger+of+doom?t=anon ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-part-2-thread-open-spoilers/485694/245 "2009-04-08T02:55:40Z")
I would certainly be happy if she were proved to be full of shit. It would be a shame for this series to be canceled. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-part-2-thread-open-spoilers/485694/246 "2009-04-08T06:33:08Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > I would certainly be happy if she were proved to be full of shit. It would be a shame for this series to be canceled. Well the “evidence” is weak at best. I mean, I know Fox has canceled shows for less, but Terminator is not doing that bad. And citing Brian Austin Green’s full acting plate as reason why the show is dead when his character is a pile of ash in an unmarked grave just makes me go :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2009, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-part-2-thread-open-spoilers/485694/247 "2009-04-08T12:37:00Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Well the “evidence” is weak at best. I mean, I know Fox has canceled shows for less, but Terminator is not doing that bad. > > And citing Brian Austin Green’s full acting plate as reason why the show is dead when his character is a pile of ash in an unmarked grave just makes me go :dubious: If the show returns, and I hope it does, I pray with all my atheist heart that they realize that the Sarah-centric episodes SUCK, and they should have many many less of them. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2009, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-part-2-thread-open-spoilers/485694/248 "2009-04-10T05:55:20Z")
**Let the winds blow high,; Let the winds blow low,; Down the street in my kilt I go; And all the ladies say hello; _Donald where’s your trousers?_** ---
**Author:** ![Xan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@Xan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xan)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-part-2-thread-open-spoilers/485694/249 "2009-04-11T00:09:49Z")
Remind me to not play D&D with John Henry. Cheating bastard. He probably get all the good loot too. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-part-2-thread-open-spoilers/485694/250 "2009-04-11T01:21:16Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > Well the “evidence” is weak at best. I mean, I know Fox has canceled shows for less, but Terminator is not doing that bad. > > And citing Brian Austin Green’s full acting plate as reason why the show is dead when his character is a pile of ash in an unmarked grave just makes me go :dubious: Given the season finale it might not matter that Green’s character was killed. Odesio ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-part-2-thread-open-spoilers/485694/251 "2009-04-11T04:04:58Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > Given the season finale it might not matter that Green’s character was killed. Agreed. This show can’t end now! And Joshua Malina! Who may or may not believe in SkyNet! And “Allison From Palmdale” is back! And Fox always referred to it as a “season finale” in previews! ---
**Author:** ![thirdname](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@thirdname](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdname)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-part-2-thread-open-spoilers/485694/252 "2009-04-11T04:06:02Z")
I have no idea what the hell just happened. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-part-2-thread-open-spoilers/485694/253 "2009-04-11T04:23:43Z")
I thought they did a great job to leave it open ended (yay, Derek!) if the show comes back for a third season, or as a bittersweet twist with enough resolve to satisfy me if it does end up being cancelled. My take on the ending: Because John time-traveled over J-Day, thereby skipping it, he never rose to become the leader of the resistance, so he’s just a young-punk-nobody. Wild. John Henry put Cameron’s chip in his body, making him actually Cameron? Or did he somehow write over her chip? John sees the real human Cameron the Terminator was based on. True love eventually ensues. Awww. Let’s hope John can keep her from getting captured by the machines, so they can make babies and stuff. Not sure where Weaver-T-1001 ran off to. Shrug. As for the last 5 seconds… did Sarah make the jump after all, or was that just her voice traveling in some sort of time-travel after shock? That’s all I got for now. I sure hope the series comes back, it’s the best science fiction on tv, now that BSG is over. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-part-2-thread-open-spoilers/485694/254 "2009-04-11T04:35:00Z")
Wait, what? There was another episode this week? Shit shit shit. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-part-2-thread-open-spoilers/485694/255 "2009-04-11T05:25:10Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Wait, what? There was another episode this week? Shit shit shit. > > -Joe You smack me, I’ll smack you. I just completely forgot about it. :smack: And my computer is too crappy to view the episode online. Gonna have to resort to less-than-accepted measures… ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-part-2-thread-open-spoilers/485694/256 "2009-04-11T11:06:54Z")
-“I _liked_ that gate.” 😃 Weaver kicks ass. Finally _someone’s_ kicking ass, instead of indulging in paranoid navel gazing. And ass-kicking involving _shapeshifters and flying robot kamikaze attacks_, to boot. Why the hell was the rest of the series _not_ more like this, more of the time? -So when a girl strips topless, tells you to climb on top of her, then slice open her thorax to feel up her atomic mechanical innards…does that count as a first date? If not, which “base” would that be—or do we have to use an entirely different term (possibly even sport)? “Hey, Seldon…I heard that you got to Statue-of-Liberty-Play with R. Dors!” 🙂 -Nitpick time! Cameron’s exposed eye lens is glowing red: in the pilot, her eyes glowed blue. (This is, of course, assuming that Terminators only have one color of eyeball light.) Maybe she got contacts. For that matter…how do they see visible light if her eyes visibly glow? Wouldn’t they end up being colorblind, at least? Cameron isn’t, from what we’ve seen. -What the hell is it with time travel that makes people act like idiots around people they’ve _seen_ die? Hell-_o_, he didn’t come _back to life_, you’re just encountering a version of them _before_ they kicked the bucket. They’re not going to f’ing _remember_ you, moron! -It occurs to me that the writers have writen themselves an interesting option if the show _does_ get cancelled, but ends up popular enough (like _Firefly_, or _Family Guy_, or even _Futurama_) to get a reprieve or a (TV?) movie made, but with any significant delay: If Thomas Dekker looks significantly older, they just have him playing a John who’s been in the future for awhile. In other words, great episode! And thanks a whole stinkin’ _heap_, Fox, if you just end up canceling it after this. Bonus: -Hey, T4 preview! Heh…and you know the funny thing? The first time I ever heard that Massive Attack song, I’d just started flying a Terminator HK on a flight sim, about three, four years ago. It really _is_ a small world after all, ain’t it? "If we stay the course, _we’re all dead!!!_ Oo-de-_lolly_. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![wintertime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c68b51/32.png) [@wintertime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wintertime)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 11:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-part-2-thread-open-spoilers/485694/257 "2009-04-11T11:11:29Z")
This show is clever. I so hope, it’s not gone. I’ll start with the one thing that bugged me: the pacing. They rarely get it right. Once again, the episode felt too slow in the middle and awfully rushed in the end. But there is so much more to love that I feel no desire to complain … yet: The way the travel into the future played out, adds evidence to the one-timeline-idea behind the terminator universe (at least in TSCC) and this approach is crucial to add morals to the story. In a many-world-universe, whatever one of your iterations misses to do, the other one does – actions have consequences within one timeline but not within or for the whole. On TSCC, your iterations vary their actions too, but every single one of them adds to the outcome of the whole: John jumps into the future, therefore he never became leader of the resistance, Kyle had no reason to go back and neither did Derek. But since one Kyle did it once, this John still exists. Something similar might be true for “Weaver”. I think, the writers realized early on, how alien the liquid “metal” is to the mechanical ones and how unlikely it is, that they are of one origin. It can’t be a coincidence that the writers have drawn parallels among Skynet, John and Weaver: they are all born by a loop, that they continue to establish. In contrast to Skynet and John, however, who are one loop, Weaver’s alieness might be evidence that she is also of a different time. If that is “true”, her loop might contain the Skynet/Connor one and might even have caused it – or vice versa (dependent on what happened first: the past or the future). Anyway, the newly established timeline could be a major step to open up the repetitive loop, the world seems to be imprisoned in. And this might be the rationale behind Weaver’s actions and her words towards John Henry, when they talked about Abel, Cain and God. And by jumping into the future with John, she made sure, that he couldn’t undo for a decade and more, what she had set into motion. Whatever it was, it wasn’t supposed to stop Judgment Day, because Weaver didn’t seem to be disappointed by the state of the future, they both jumped into. And though Sarah promised John to keep on fighting, she failed, once again, to stop what was coming, but she won’t have failed to prepare some support for John. Ellison and Savannah will be prepared too, for what, I don’t know, but I’m sure, Weaver is already looking for them and John Cameron Henry. All pieces are set for a finale: John is in a future, that doesn’t know him, but was still created by his decisions, this Kyle has not disturbed the timeline, he, Derek and Allison are John’s links into the resistance, Skynet and Weaver are going to complete their plans and John Cameron Henry might decide, how the dices are going to fall. Damn, we need another season. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-part-2-thread-open-spoilers/485694/258 "2009-04-11T13:08:08Z")
I don’t understand the scene with the flying robot crashing into Weaver’s office. Who sent it? The skynet faction? At the end of the scene, she absorbs liquid metal into her leg. Was it part of her piloting the vehicle and returning to her, or what? If so, why would she do that? The whole last 10 minutes was very rushed and confusing. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-part-2-thread-open-spoilers/485694/259 "2009-04-11T13:21:13Z")
I don’t understand the scene with the flying robot crashing into Weaver’s office. Who sent it? The skynet faction? At the end of the scene, she absorbs liquid metal into her leg. Was it part of her piloting the vehicle and returning to her, or what? If so, why would she do that? The whole last 10 minutes was very rushed and confusing. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2009, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-part-2-thread-open-spoilers/485694/260 "2009-04-11T13:23:12Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I don’t understand the scene with the flying robot crashing into Weaver’s office. Who sent it? The skynet faction? At the end of the scene, she absorbs liquid metal into her leg. Was it part of her piloting the vehicle and returning to her, or what? If so, why would she do that? > > The whole last 10 minutes was very rushed and confusing. The critter that she absorbed was her eel from the aquarium. As for who sent the HK, one assumes it must be the other faction - [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-part-2-thread-open-spoilers/485694.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-part-2-thread-open-spoilers/485694.md?page=14)