# Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles Season 2 thread \[open spoilers after it airs\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 24, 2008, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000 "2008-09-24T15:39:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2008, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/221 "2008-11-13T18:14:02Z")
> [@Mikemike2](#): > > If terminators have uncanny accuracy because they are basically a calibrated weapon system, why couldn’t Cromartie shoot someone through an open window? Why would he even waste a bullet if he didn’t think he had a 99+% chance of hitting his target? He doesn’t need to count on a lucky shot. What, you mean someone has mentioned this before? Cameron had uncanny accuracy because her target was unaware of her until her first shot hit. He was in the open and unmoving. Terminators are NOT that accurate. That’s been demonstrated a couple bazillion times. However, a target at short range standing rock still while he blazes away in two different directions is probably the easiest thing Cameron has ever gotten to shoot at. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![joemama24\_98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce7236/32.png) [@joemama24\_98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joemama24_98)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/222 "2008-11-14T01:11:02Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Cameron had uncanny accuracy because her target was unaware of her until her first shot hit. He was in the open and unmoving. > > Terminators are NOT that accurate. That’s been demonstrated a couple bazillion times. However, a target at short range standing rock still while he blazes away in two different directions is probably the easiest thing Cameron has ever gotten to shoot at. > > -Joe Yeah, but it was still toooooo easy. If anything, for dramatic effect, she should have brought a rocket launcher. ---
**Author:** ![Ranchoth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ranchoth/32/1066_2.png) [@Ranchoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ranchoth)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/223 "2008-11-14T02:25:54Z")
[QUOTE=joemama24\_98] Yeah, but it was still toooooo easy. If anything, for dramatic effect, she should have brought a rocket launcher. [/QUOTE] 'Course, then there’s the problem of where she got the rocket launcher—although, with the scene in the weapons cache earlier in the episode, they could have Chekoved her grabbing a LAW or something\* on her way out, I suppose. \*How 'bout a PIAT? What, no love for the PIAT? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2008, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/224 "2008-11-14T14:31:57Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Obviously, when they’re prepared they can kill a Terminator. That’s probably why Skynet made more than one. > > Anything can be dealt with if you’re prepared. Don’t like it? Tell it to the vampires. Thanks for giving away the ending to Batman vs. Terminator. 😉 Really, really good episode. Again a few minor flaws: - Cromartie’s poor shooting and weak-ass exoskeleton - a few continuity errors between the different stories (John’s bedroom door, for example) - Sarah’s misguided cathartic chip-smashing - Mexican prisons that can be easily busted out of by two unarmed teens - Ellison’s cool and collected introduction to Sarah which seemed to make sense in “Sarah’s story” if he knew she was in there, but didn’t really ring true in “Ellison’s Story” when you knew he didn’t. But again, I’m digging it. Great story, tight direction, great acting all around. Not much else to say. I liked Cromartie, but I’m glad they killed him off. It’s time for a new bad guy, and they sent him off in style. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/225 "2008-11-18T04:06:33Z")
Psst, minor nitpick, but it’s an endoskeleton since it is not on the exterior. This week is another solid episode with what seems like many episodes worth of character development and several noteworthy scenes. I really liked the scenes with Glau. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/226 "2008-11-18T04:37:24Z")
Wasn’t the tortoise in the desert part of the Voight-Kampff replicant detection test from Blade Runner? ---
**Author:** ![jellyblue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e480ec/32.png) [@jellyblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jellyblue)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/227 "2008-11-18T05:27:18Z")
Yes. Good call. ---
**Author:** ![jellyblue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e480ec/32.png) [@jellyblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jellyblue)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 5:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/228 "2008-11-18T05:28:38Z")
Where the two Fosters the SAME Foster? Did the young one become the old one eventually? Especially since Derek ripped his fingernails out and all? I still don’t trust his girlfriend. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/229 "2008-11-18T11:03:38Z")
Symbolic tortoises seem all the rage these days – Heroes has got one, too. BTW, I can’t really see the problem with terminators eventually going down under enough gunfire – super hard metal or not, it’s still a relatively thin sheet of it protecting sophisticated electronics, and three close-range shotgun bursts are a lot of abuse for that to take. ---
**Author:** ![shijinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@shijinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shijinn)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/230 "2008-11-18T13:42:54Z")
> [@jellyblue](#): > > Where the two Fosters the SAME Foster? Did the young one become the old one eventually? Especially since Derek ripped his fingernails out and all? I still don’t trust his girlfriend. they’re from different futures. the old Foster isn’t even the one that tortured Derek.. ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/231 "2008-11-18T13:45:10Z")
> [@jellyblue](#): > > Where the two Fosters the SAME Foster? Did the young one become the old one eventually? Yep. They were the same person – one older and from the future. One younger from before prison. Of course there is this strange time travel loop where the reason he goes to prison in the first place is because his future self comes back and does whatever that thing he did with the computerized defense system. So the young one goes to prison. Survives doomsday. Skynet forces him to the dark side. Goes back in time. Does his thing which causes his younger self to go to prison. Where he survives doomsday … It makes my head hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/232 "2008-11-18T13:46:33Z")
> [@shijinn](#): > > the old Foster isn’t even the one that tortured Derek.. Except if this is true, why did the old Foster say to Derek at one point “I wondered how long it would take you to remember”? ---
**Author:** ![shijinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@shijinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shijinn)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/233 "2008-11-18T13:54:46Z")
sorry, i meant that \*\*our Derek \*\*isn’t the one whom the old Foster tortured. ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/234 "2008-11-18T14:01:35Z")
> [@shijinn](#): > > sorry, i meant that Derek isn’t the one that the old Foster tortured. Got it. Thanks for the clarification. I found the whole Old Foster / Young Foster / Tortured Derek / Not-tortured Derek plot line to be interesting. And I also liked the not-so-subtle plot lines to reinforce the mistake-making-humanity of Sarah and John compared to the Terminator robots. Sarah sparing the kid at the bowling alley. John falsely believing Ellison about him not recovering Cromartie’s body. So, are they now going to search for someone with three fingers? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jellyblue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e480ec/32.png) [@jellyblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jellyblue)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/235 "2008-11-18T16:23:04Z")
> [@Algernon](#): > > Yep. They were the same person – one older and from the future. One younger from before prison. > > Of course there is this strange time travel loop where the reason he goes to prison in the first place is because his future self comes back and does whatever that thing he did with the computerized defense system. So the young one goes to prison. Survives doomsday. Skynet forces him to the dark side. Goes back in time. Does his thing which causes his younger self to go to prison. Where he survives doomsday … > > It makes my head hurt. Well then it seems _imperative_ to shoot them both! What were they thinking? ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/236 "2008-11-18T16:47:29Z")
> [@jellyblue](#): > > Well then it seems _imperative_ to shoot [both Fosters]! What were they thinking? I agree. At the time I was thinking “just shoot the young Foster and the future Foster problems go away”. Given all the killing and shooting going on in the current time, they certainly don’t seem overly concerned about affecting the future by their actions. Of course, if they shot the young Foster, then the old Foster wouldn’t have existed and he wouldn’t have been seen and captured by the girlfriend whose name escapes me – making the whole scene inside the cargo container non-existent. But then again, they don’t seem overly concerned about the whole going-back-in-time-and-killing-your-father paradox. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/237 "2008-11-18T16:52:42Z")
> [@jellyblue](#): > > Well then it seems _imperative_ to shoot them both! What were they thinking? Derek was about to off the young-'un when Jesse “interrupted” by killing the old Chuck Fischer. Makes me think she wanted Fischer in the timeline for some reason. I love how Skynet set a virus and got Fischer protected – a master move! (Nice homage to Bobby Fischer too.) Jesse’s got Derek under a spell that seems to disrupt proper thought processes. For me that whole episode was Judgment Day: 1. Sarah haunted by her lousy judgment (not killing the bowling slacker). 2. John’s poor judgment of Ellison. 3. Cromartie’s good judgment of Ellison. 4. Razor-sharp judgment by the Shirleynator. 5. Has there ever been a better shrink? That guy deserves an award. 6. Ellison’s judgment is a lot more complicated. Metal is starting to make chess moves. Gun-crazy Sarah & Co need to switch up their game. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/41988e/32.png) [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Cid_Viscoso)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/238 "2008-11-18T16:58:41Z")
> [@Algernon](#): > > I agree. At the time I was thinking “just shoot the young Foster and the future Foster problems go away”. Given all the killing and shooting going on in the current time, they certainly don’t seem overly concerned about affecting the future by their actions. Maybe Jesse was sent back to off Derek because of all the ripples he is setting up for the future? There will still be dozens of prisoners to choose from when the time comes; killing young Fischer only complicates things. By their mucking around, Fischer’s now protected in a nuthatch – where he can _really_ learn how humans tick. ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/239 "2008-11-18T17:19:18Z")
> [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](#): > > 1. Has there ever been a better shrink? That guy deserves an award. Indeed. Where have I seen that actor before? > [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](#): > > Metal is starting to make chess moves. Gun-crazy Sarah & Co need to switch up their game. Well said. > [@El\_Cid\_Viscoso](#): > > Maybe Jesse was sent back to off Derek because of all the ripples he is setting up for the future? There will still be dozens of prisoners to choose from when the time comes; killing young Fischer only complicates things. By their mucking around, Fischer’s now protected in a nuthatch – where he can _really_ learn how humans tick. This plot line of affecting the future adds a nice layer of interest. And complexity. And I like your hypothesis that Jesse is perhaps involved as a direct consequence of the time ripples. And oops to me. It _is_ Fischer, not Foster. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![jellyblue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e480ec/32.png) [@jellyblue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jellyblue)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/240 "2008-11-18T17:50:41Z")
> [@Algernon](#): > > And oops to me. It _is_ Fischer, not Foster. :smack: First oops was mine :smack::smack: - I think you merely followed suit. I want my young brain back. (Ooh! There could be a simultaneous Young Brain and Old Brain and I could off the Old Brain and then…never mind.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000.md?page=13)