# Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles Season 2 thread \[open spoilers after it airs\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 24, 2008, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000 "2008-09-24T15:39:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/241 "2008-11-18T18:12:19Z")
> [@Algernon](#): > > Indeed. Where have I seen that actor before? Dude’s got [147 IMDB entries.](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002126/) He’s done a ton of voice work (Pineapple Pokopo, for one), and was in Stargate. ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2008, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/242 "2008-11-18T19:19:15Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Dude’s got [147 IMDB entries.](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002126/) He’s done a ton of voice work (Pineapple Pokopo, for one), and was in Stargate. Thanks for the link **Ethilrist**. For some reason I couldn’t find the actor’s name. Wow, I scanned through the list and I don’t recognize any of these roles as anything I might have seen recently. I did see Full Metal Jacket and Falcon and the Snowman back in the '80s, and Roots back in 1979. He looks more familiar than that though. Oh well. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/243 "2008-11-19T06:54:04Z")
I’m curious why no one seems to wonder how Elison can afford a $70k MB. I mean, we know he works for the Shirleynator and probably gets a fat paycheck. But to the Connors, he’s just an un-employed FBI agent, no? ---
**Author:** ![shijinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@shijinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shijinn)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/244 "2008-11-19T10:38:45Z")
> [@jellyblue](#): > > Well then it seems _imperative_ to shoot them both! What were they thinking? the writers seem to like themes. Sarah with the bowling alley kid, John with Ellison, Jesse with young Foster; that’s just what humans do. they all make mistakes despite knowing what the ‘correct’ course of action should be. this is just like the Cromartie episode with everyone trying to be the substitute teacher. plus humans are simply complicated. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/245 "2008-11-19T14:17:05Z")
> [@Algernon](#): > > Thanks for the link **Ethilrist**. For some reason I couldn’t find the actor’s name. > > Wow, I scanned through the list and I don’t recognize any of these roles as anything I might have seen recently. I did see Full Metal Jacket and Falcon and the Snowman back in the '80s, and Roots back in 1979. He looks more familiar than that though. Oh well. To be honest, when I saw him in his first episode I thought the producers were yanking our chain and using the actor who played Miles Dyson in Terminator 2. ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2008, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/246 "2008-11-19T22:22:26Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > To be honest, when I saw him in his first episode I thought the producers were yanking our chain and using the actor who played Miles Dyson in Terminator 2. Hmmm. Well, I had to look _him_ up too. At the right angle there certainly is a resemblance. [Joe Morton, the actor who played Miles Dyson](http://www.imdb.com/media/rm654678016/nm0608012) ---
**Author:** ![joemama24\_98](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ce7236/32.png) [@joemama24\_98](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joemama24_98)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/247 "2008-11-20T00:20:11Z")
> [@shijinn](#): > > the writers seem to like themes. Sarah with the bowling alley kid, John with Ellison, Jesse with young Foster; that’s just what humans do. they all make mistakes despite knowing what the ‘correct’ course of action should be. this is just like the Cromartie episode with everyone trying to be the substitute teacher. > > plus humans are simply complicated. I really like this aspect of the show, but wonder if the writers are looking for it or not. Regardless…you see the “stupid” simplicity of the Terminators in thought process, and the “stupid” emotional responses of the people, each leading to mistakes. But what I like most is Cameron. And Sarah. Yummy yummy yummy. With guns. And that is really why I like the show. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/248 "2008-11-20T00:20:39Z")
> [@Algernon](#): > > Hmmm. Well, I had to look _him_ up too. At the right angle there certainly is a resemblance. [Joe Morton, the actor who played Miles Dyson](http://www.imdb.com/media/rm654678016/nm0608012) [slight hijack] And Joe Morton currently plays a genius scientist on the SciFi show _ **Eureka** _. If you’re not watching it–you should be! [/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/249 "2008-11-20T05:49:57Z")
I don’t like the Derek and Asian-Australian chick subplot. And her accent irritates me, she reminds me of someone from my past, though I can’t pin down in my memory who it was, but she really annoyed me, so now I dislike this character by tenuous and unfair association. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/250 "2008-11-20T06:35:35Z")
I don’t like the potential of the subplot - that things that keep coming through have the potential to be from different futures. Time travel is confusing and hard to write as it is - if they give themself this excuse the writing can get incomprehensible and lazy fast. ---
**Author:** ![Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a9a28c/32.png) [@Oslo\_Ostragoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oslo_Ostragoth)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/251 "2008-11-20T06:43:48Z")
> [@joemama24\_98](#): > > But what I like most is Cameron. And Sarah. Yummy yummy yummy. With guns. And that is really why I like the show. [knuckle bump] [/knucklebump] ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/252 "2008-11-20T20:17:10Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I don’t like the potential of the subplot - that things that keep coming through have the potential to be from different futures. Time travel is confusing and hard to write as it is - if they give themself this excuse the writing can get incomprehensible and lazy fast. It’s the elephant in the room, and I think they’re potentially showing some balls even bringing it up. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/253 "2008-11-20T20:51:50Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > It’s the elephant in the room, and I think they’re potentially showing some balls even bringing it up. Agreed. It also shows that they are actually DOING something. Think about it - if everything keeps happening normally (Derek should have a pretty good idea what “normally” is), and nothing they do seems to change anything…why bother? Go get a cabin in the woods and wait for Judgement Day to happen. That way humanity can start with a bot on their side, at least. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Xan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/ac8455/32.png) [@Xan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Xan)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/254 "2008-11-20T23:10:30Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Agreed. It also shows that they are actually DOING something. > > Think about it - if everything keeps happening normally (Derek should have a pretty good idea what “normally” is), and nothing they do seems to change anything…why bother? > > Go get a cabin in the woods and wait for Judgement Day to happen. That way humanity can start with a bot on their side, at least. > > -Joe I’ve always wondered why they haven’t looked into some sort of EMP bomb or some way to disable Terminators without having to get too close to them. ---
**Author:** ![Roadfood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@Roadfood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roadfood)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/255 "2008-11-20T23:38:44Z")
This episode was the epitome of stupid. Derek and girlfriend are unforgivably stupid for not killing the younger Foster. I am so tired of writers trotting out humanity and conscience when it’s convenient to the plot, then ignoring it completely when it would be inconvenient. These people have been shown killing “innocents” with no remorse when it suited their and the writers’ purpose, not killing the young Foster was just stupid. John is dumber than stupid for just believing Ellison. Simple rational thought would tell you that he was the only one who could have taken Cromartie, but a glance into his eyes as Cameron is choking him and John totally believes him and that’s that. Sarah is monumentally stupid for just accepting John’s clearance of Ellison. Same reasoning as above. “I believe him” just shouldn’t be enough for her, even from John. Ellison is brain-dead stupid for putting all his trust in that corporate shrew and keeping it all from Sarah. He **knows** for a fact that Sarah is right and knows what she’s talking about; he went all the way to Mexico to rescue John; and yet for (again) the convenience of the writers, he doesn’t even mention to Sarah that he’s working with this bizarro woman to capture a terminator. In the beginning, he was portrayed as a shrewd cop, but now he just totally accepts everything that the Shirleynator tells him, and with all he knows from Sarah, it never enters his mind that what his new boss is doing could well lead straight to what Sarah says will happen! This show now has unquestionably the stupidest collection of characters ever to populate fiction. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2008, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/256 "2008-11-20T23:57:44Z")
> [@Xan](#): > > I’ve always wondered why they haven’t looked into some sort of EMP bomb or some way to disable Terminators without having to get too close to them. Because at the end of the day, Sarah Conner is a former waitress and an unemployed drifter, not an electrical engineer or physicist or other person who would know how to build a portable weapons grade EMP device, if such a thing even can be made. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > I don’t like the potential of the subplot - that things that keep coming through have the potential to be from different futures. Time travel is confusing and hard to write as it is - if they give themself this excuse the writing can get incomprehensible and lazy fast. The entire premise of the Terminator series and films is that the future can be changed. Problem is that we’ve already seen in three films that it can’t and that everything they do just creates a self-fullfilling prophecy. Sending the original Terminator back caused Kyle Reece to chase it, allowing John Conner to be conceived. But it also provided scientists with the technology to invent Skynet in the first place. By the third film, Judgement Day can’t be stopped and the Terminator can only make provisions that John survives. But they do make changes though. In the second film, they delayed J-Day. In the show, they jumped ahead and changed Sarahs death by cancer and changed the whole third movie. Now every episode some dude comes back through time and mucks up something. The series is already rife with time loops and paradoxes and whatnot. Maybe from a certain point of view…I don’t know tech stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2008, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/257 "2008-11-21T01:54:48Z")
> [@Roadfood](#): > > This show now has unquestionably the stupidest collection of characters ever to populate fiction. I disagree with your post in a bunch of ways, but the above line makes me suspect that you have never seen “Lost”. 🙂 -Joe ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2008, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/258 "2008-11-21T02:07:45Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > I disagree with your post in a bunch of ways, but the above line makes me suspect that you have never seen “Lost”. 🙂 > > -Joe See, I can live in a world with both Lost and T:TSCC, but I don’t get why one lives and one dies. In one show, they said “this is sci-fi. Robots, time travel etc.” In the other show they said “everything will be plausible” but then they threw in ridiculous shit, but it gets raves. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/259 "2008-11-23T01:14:02Z")
> [@Roadfood](#): > > Derek and girlfriend are unforgivably stupid for not killing the younger Foster. I am so tired of writers trotting out humanity and conscience when it’s convenient to the plot, then ignoring it completely when it would be inconvenient. These people have been shown killing “innocents” with no remorse when it suited their and the writers’ purpose, not killing the young Foster was just stupid. Refresh my memory, what innocents have they killed? Cameron killed the bowling alley guys. Sarkissian was not an innocent. Derek offed Andy Goode, but Sarah told him in no uncertain terms that if he did something like that again she would kill him. > [@Ethilrist](#): > > Dude’s got [147 IMDB entries.](http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002126/) He’s done a ton of voice work (Pineapple Pokopo, for one), and was in Stargate. I think it’s the voice. He sounds a lot like Danny Glover and if you’re not paying attention, he looks a little like him. They’re roughly the same age, they both have a thin face and they have roughly the same build (although Glover is a bit bigger and that’s the telling difference). ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Credible](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/a8b319/32.png) [@Justin\_Credible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Credible)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/260 "2008-11-23T01:21:53Z")
I watch this show off and on, even though I don’t really think it’s very good. I mainly just watch for Lena Heady. I chuckled a little when they had a little segment called Cromartie’s story a couple weeks ago. Up until then, I thought his name was either Chrome Artie of Crow Marty. And, man is that asian girl smokin’ hot or what?? Holy crap! She’s asian _and_ Australian. She’s two of my favorite kinds of women rolled into one. Now I have two reasons to watch. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000.md?page=14)