# Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles Season 2 thread \[open spoilers after it airs\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 24, 2008, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000 "2008-09-24T15:39:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Mr.Slant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c57346/32.png) [@Mr.Slant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Slant)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2008, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/361 "2008-12-03T22:47:35Z")
On of us, Henrichek, has just been whooshed. I’m unsure which. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/362 "2008-12-04T00:28:40Z")
> [@WarmNPrickly](#): > > Do we have to have one big huge behemoth thread for the entire season? I DVR and watch it late so I never have much to contribute, but I enjoy reading what people have to say. With this gargantuan thread, I just can’t keep up and have long since given up trying to read it. Every other show has a new thread for each episode, why is this one different? We weren’t getting new episode threads and I think this one has benefited from a certain momentum or inertia. _Smallville_ & _Supernatural_ might benefit from the same thing. As observed, individual episode threads tank. I don’t see how it would be any harder keeping up with this thread than individual threads. Anyhoo, I loved this episode. Just when you think it can’t get any better, it does. Following Cameron’s nighttime activities was awesome, (you never sleep) and the Terminator who ended up in the wrong time was so interesting. Who needs John & Sarah & crazy uncle? I could follow the exploits of Terminators and be perfectly happy. I am curious over what time frame Cameron was visiting the library. Library guy noticed she sometimes has cuts, so I guess it’s been awhile, and he could have died between her visits. It was great how blunt she was with him. Generally people like that hate being patronized, and she was the exact opposite of patronizing, and he seemed to appreciate that, even though she did hurt his feelings. I’d like to see Charlie come back. He’s still out there, and John mentioned him so he’s important. ---
**Author:** ![Henrichek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/5daacb/32.png) [@Henrichek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henrichek)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/363 "2008-12-04T00:40:02Z")
> [@Mr.Slant](#): > > On of us, Henrichek, has just been whooshed. I’m unsure which. Since I intended no whoosh it must be me. It just seemed that you wanted to bribe him with donuts to get a book which is hard to get, and I found a cheap and easy way to get it (which some might find inappropriate, so I provided no details). If in fact I was whooshed, I’ll do this: :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Slant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c57346/32.png) [@Mr.Slant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Slant)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/364 "2008-12-04T01:04:24Z")
Ah. No, the joke was that I wanted a copy of the book to sell for $700±… And if you think the guys selling copies for $25 can provide it, you’re mistaken. They’re all out of stock. I’m not actually a stolen library book dealer, I was just playing one on SDMB… ---
**Author:** ![WilhelmGefallen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/9f8e36/32.png) [@WilhelmGefallen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WilhelmGefallen)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/365 "2008-12-04T02:57:18Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Well…maybe it didn’t need to be THAT precise. I don’t remember the precise layout of the dots, but maybe the stars happened to be an easily-recognized pattern like an equilateral triangle or something. > > Still, you think instead of everything he did write, he’d have put “Judgement Day, Sept 15th, 2009”. > > I think the dots probably DO have something to do with the stars, because only Terminators have seen it, and Cameron isn’t the type to just bring it up to Sarah - and if she did bring it up, Sarah wouldn’t listen. It fits in with our whole mistrust and miscommunication themes. > > -Joe I wonder if it’s even something that Cameron might not have considered as a possibility? We’ve seen that she’s got some lateral thinking processes, but maybe it’s just not occurred to her as yet. Given his list and the fact that John knew (will know in the future) when he sent the rebel back in time that he (the rebel) was D.O.A. future John should’ve recommended a list suppository for the rebel or in a slightly less gross suggestion a tattoo with the details of what they need to know on him. I mean John is basically the rebels messiah it’s not like he wouldn’t have been able to talk them into that sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/366 "2008-12-04T05:00:59Z")
So when we saw the governor being killed in 2010 was that Cameron’s memory or just a scene for us, the audience? ---
**Author:** ![WarmNPrickly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d78d45/32.png) [@WarmNPrickly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WarmNPrickly)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/367 "2008-12-04T05:23:31Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > I don’t see how it would be any harder keeping up with this thread than individual threads. For one thing, the thread is so large that all I can do is click the “Last Page” link and try to backtrack to where the thread leaves off. This is particularly difficult because, I don’t read the thread before I watch it and I often watch it a week late. That means I have to backtrack through stuff I haven’t seen yet. I am only caught up now because my wife is away. ---
**Author:** ![jackdavinci](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackdavinci/32/3259_2.png) [@jackdavinci](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jackdavinci)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/368 "2008-12-04T07:46:58Z")
> [@WarmNPrickly](#): > > For one thing, the thread is so large that all I can do is click the “Last Page” link and try to backtrack to where the thread leaves off. This is particularly difficult because, I don’t read the thread before I watch it and I often watch it a week late. That means I have to backtrack through stuff I haven’t seen yet. I am only caught up now because my wife is away. Word! I’m hoping someone will start individual episode threads starting next one. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/369 "2008-12-04T13:48:40Z")
> [@levdrakon](#): > > So when we saw the governor being killed in 2010 was that Cameron’s memory or just a scene for us, the audience? Pretty sure it was her conjecturing, but we of course really have no way to be sure. -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Algernon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a183cd/32.png) [@Algernon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Algernon)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/370 "2008-12-04T14:12:29Z")
> [@WarmNPrickly](#): > > For one thing, the thread is so large that all I can do is click the “Last Page” link and try to backtrack to where the thread leaves off. Aren’t you subscribed to the thread? Even if I don’t post, I subscribe to the thread and get a daily email with a link to the first post that I haven’t read. After I watch the show I then follow the email link and begin my reading from there. The subscribe function works like a bookmark for me. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/371 "2008-12-04T14:23:44Z")
> [@WilhelmGefallen](#): > > Given his list and the fact that John knew (will know in the future) when he sent the rebel back in time that he (the rebel) was D.O.A. future John should’ve recommended a list suppository for the rebel or in a slightly less gross suggestion a tattoo with the details of what they need to know on him. The thing is, from the little we’ve so far been able to glean about how the show handles time travel, future John _didn’t_ know that the guy that was sent back would arrive dying, since that wasn’t part of his past; otherwise, all this ‘trying to change the past’ stuff would be moot, since everything would just happen the way it was gonna anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/372 "2008-12-04T14:46:29Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > The thing is, from the little we’ve so far been able to glean about how the show handles time travel, future John _didn’t_ know that the guy that was sent back would arrive dying, since that wasn’t part of his past; otherwise, all this ‘trying to change the past’ stuff would be moot, since everything would just happen the way it was gonna anyway. Yeah, I think we can all assume that the “future” has been put into a blender and will likely stay that way till it becomes the past\*. -Joe \*And even then, who knows? ---
**Author:** ![Flander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8c91f0/32.png) [@Flander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Flander)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/373 "2008-12-04T15:42:25Z")
> [@Merijeek](#): > > Say the line, “Glauminator, we must attempt to reproduce to perpetuate the Terminator species”. > > -Joe I’ll be in my bunk. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/374 "2008-12-04T17:11:42Z")
I finally watched this last episode and I must say i am kind of shocked that swome follks found it any good. I thought it was awful. 1. What fucking library were they in? Library of Congress of our Imagination? I mean that place had everything, tax records, blueprints, video of obscure newscasts, police records (literally). it was such a lazy contrivance that it made me laugh and grit my teeth at the same time. 2. So let me get this straight, the Dillinger-nator is on a mission to kill the Governor of California (inside joke? Governator?)…in 2010. But he is sent back to the wrong time. When was he supposed to be sent back? Because it seems to me that the “plan” to build a building and wait in the walls for 60 years is pretty fucking stupid. That whole story was just stupid as hell and made no sense. 3. Terminator Glau is getting feelings. WTF?!?! I do not like this idiocy at all. 4. So she did steal the lighter and John’s like. “Meh”. After he almost beat a guy to death over it. About the only interesting thing that came out of it was the revelation that Terminator Glau killed tholse bowling guys. ---
**Author:** ![Henrichek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/5daacb/32.png) [@Henrichek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henrichek)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/375 "2008-12-04T17:33:22Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > About the only interesting thing that came out of it was the revelation that Terminator Glau killed tholse bowling guys. I think that was shown clearly in the episode where it happened, so it wasn’t any revelation for this episode. I agree on the episode, I found it to be the one of the worst so far. Your points are good, as well as that it didn’t tie together much with the previous episodes. It was too independent and didn’t move the storyline. I felt like I was back where I left off after the episode before it. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/376 "2008-12-04T17:41:16Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > 1. So she did steal the lighter and John’s like. “Meh”. After he almost beat a guy to death over it. Technically, he almost beat the guy to death because he was attacking Riley. > [@](#): > > About the only interesting thing that came out of it was the revelation that Terminator Glau killed tholse bowling guys. … but we saw that scene in the episode where it happened, i.e., they gave them the info, Sarah turned to walk away, and Cameron shot them, and Sarah just watched with this look on her face like “… right. Terminator. I keep forgetting about that part.” ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/377 "2008-12-04T17:46:34Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > I2) So let me get this straight, the Dillinger-nator is on a mission to kill the Governor of California (inside joke? Governator?)…in 2010. But he is sent back to the wrong time. When was he supposed to be sent back? Because it seems to me that the “plan” to build a building and wait in the walls for 60 years is pretty fucking stupid. That whole story was just stupid as hell and made no sense. He probably would’ve been sent back to a few days before the governor’s speech originally. There was no original skynet plan to build the building. What happened was that his time travel (the electrical bubble thing) killed the guy’s son, resulting in the guy making a memorial to his son where that building was supposed to be. Therefore this new timeline, without intervention, would result in the governor not being at the building at the time/place the terminator was sent to kill him. So the terminator altered his mission to create a company that would compete with the landowner’s business, eventually driving him to bankruptcy and forcing him to sell that land to the terminator. Who then builds the building he originally planned would be there, in order to fulfill his mission. I thought it was a cool example of the extremely objective-driven nature of terminators. I like in the series when terminators think like terminators - not one-liner cracking asshats. ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/378 "2008-12-04T17:47:18Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Technically, he almost beat the guy to death because he was attacking Riley. Well technically the guy was attacking Riley because she stole his lighter. > [@](#): > > … but we saw that scene in the episode where it happened, i.e., they gave them the info, Sarah turned to walk away, and Cameron shot them, and Sarah just watched with this look on her face like “… right. Terminator. I keep forgetting about that part.” I forgot about that. still, Worst.Episode.EVAR!!! ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/379 "2008-12-04T17:53:10Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > He probably would’ve been sent back to a few days before the governor’s speech originally. > > There was no original skynet plan to build the building. What happened was that his time travel (the electrical bubble thing) killed the guy’s son, resulting in the guy making a memorial to his son where that building was supposed to be. Therefore this new timeline, without intervention, would result in the governor not being at the building at the time/place the terminator was sent to kill him. > > So the terminator altered his mission to create a company that would compete with the landowner’s business, eventually driving him to bankruptcy and forcing him to sell that land to the terminator. Who then builds the building he originally planned would be there, in order to fulfill his mission. > > I thought it was a cool example of the extremely objective-driven nature of terminators. I like in the series when terminators think like terminators - not one-liner cracking asshats. Huh? I mean He can change his plans that effectively and so contrived, yet he can’t figure out a different way to klill the governor? Like kils the Governor’s grandmother so he is never born or something like that. I just think the whole story was a freaking stupid contrivance probably started at a story session that went something like, 'What if a Terminator went back in time like 60 years and just waited in the exact spot to kill somebody." “Cool…” And we are never once given a hint as to why killing the Governor matters…not one. What kind of lame storytelling is that. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2008, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000/380 "2008-12-04T17:59:59Z")
I thought they were trying to demonstrate the alien thought processes of terminators. In this case, his mission may not have been “kill governor X”, but “kill governor X at this place at this time”, and being the literal, logical, machine-minded things they are, he worked to recreate the exact scenario of his orders. Of course he could’ve just gone to the governor’s mansion, walked through the gunfire of the security team, and killed the governor anyway - but I like it when terminators display thoughts that are somewhat alien or counterintuitive to us, but logical in their own way. Humanizing the terminator thought process is one of the biggest flaws of the show. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terminator-the-sarah-connor-chronicles-season-2-thread-open-spoilers-after-it-airs/465000.md?page=20)