# Terr and BrainGlutton **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [October 3, 2015, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terr-and-brainglutton/733406 "2015-10-03T20:59:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terr-and-brainglutton/733406/201 "2015-10-06T14:17:13Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > I think you’re misunderstanding that point. You are aware that your signoff bothers a great deal of people. You know that you’ve been asked to either not use it, or to dial it down some. You refuse, which is your right. I’m not suggesting that you made that up to bitch about it, which is what I parse from your response. I am saying that the one making things up to bitch about is not me, as you claimed it was. > [@](#): > > What I’m saying is that the different rules that you complain about (lib vs con) aren’t as real outside of your mind as they are inside. THAT’S the part that I was suggesting you bitch about. Read the linked thread, which gives an example of my bitching about something which is real, and outside my head. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Teuton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/teuton/32/3864_2.png) [@Teuton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Teuton)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terr-and-brainglutton/733406/202 "2015-10-06T14:32:32Z")
> [@Superdude](#): > > But him getting banned for this is petty, in my opinion. I disagree. I think that the way certain posters acted in that thread - a thread started by a poster who’d had friends involved in the incident - was well over the “don’t be a jerk” line. **Terr** has been warned and suspended before, and his response to the mod note in the thread about keeping gun control out of it was to continue the hijack of what should have been a supportive and sympathetic discussion. It’s not like discussion of gun control is banned on the forum generally, and it’s not like there aren’t plenty of other current threads to go discuss it. Other posters got warnings for the same thing, but in **Terr** ’s case it happened to be the one that pushed him over the line. I wouldn’t support any “grassroots” movements to see him reinstated. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terr-and-brainglutton/733406/203 "2015-10-06T14:35:06Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > **Shodan** regularly snarks back at people and doesn’t get in trouble for it. The fact that you don’t think you can seems to have more to do with your risk aversion than any Conservatism on your part. > > In fact, you two are the reason I don’t think conservatism is unfairly moderated on this board. You two are who I point to to let a the more cantankerous conservatives here know how to post without getting in trouble. Fascinating. Both Shodan and I have said that we feel constrained in what we can post, and believe that we run a greater risk of being moderated for functionally identical behavior than do our liberal brethern. And you hold us up as examples of how to post without getting in trouble, as though that proves that the moderation is equal. Do you not perceive any possibility that your thinking may be blinded here? ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terr-and-brainglutton/733406/204 "2015-10-06T14:36:51Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > When will they get here? I was going to argue but instead I’m going to just admire the elegance of this retort. Bravo or brava, sir or madam. ---
**Author:** ![Gothic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/839c29/32.png) [@Gothic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gothic)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terr-and-brainglutton/733406/205 "2015-10-06T14:45:51Z")
I think it’s good we are discussing feelings. [http://www.condenaststore.com/-sp/It-may-be-wrong-but-it-s-how-I-feel-New-Yorker-Cartoon-Prints\_i8544229\_.htm](http://www.condenaststore.com/-sp/It-may-be-wrong-but-it-s-how-I-feel-New-Yorker-Cartoon-Prints_i8544229_.htm) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terr-and-brainglutton/733406/206 "2015-10-06T14:49:26Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Fascinating. > > Both Shodan and I have said that we feel constrained in what we can post, and believe that we run a greater risk of being moderated for functionally identical behavior than do our liberal brethern. > > And you hold us up as examples of how to post without getting in trouble, as though that proves that the moderation is equal. > > Do you not perceive any possibility that your thinking may be blinded here? Do you? You’re citing your personal belief as the source of your argument, despite extremely limited evidence to support it, and yet you wonder why we question whether your perception reflects reality? Would you tolerate this argument from an opposing viewpoint? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terr-and-brainglutton/733406/207 "2015-10-06T14:57:18Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Fascinating. > > Both Shodan and I have said that we feel constrained in what we can post, and believe that we run a greater risk of being moderated for functionally identical behavior than do our liberal brethern. You’ve said that you feel constrained, but you haven’t demonstrated that those feelings are justified. Isn’t confirmation bias the most likely explanation? ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terr-and-brainglutton/733406/208 "2015-10-06T15:11:00Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Well, you did admit to driving a minivan and a hatchback. That leaves soccer mom or democrat, and I’ve never heard you mention soccer. My now (maybe, let’s not get into that) exgifriend is the soccer mom. I drive a Subaru which I’ve been told makes me a lesbian. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terr-and-brainglutton/733406/209 "2015-10-06T15:11:38Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > You’ve said that you feel constrained, but you haven’t demonstrated that those feelings are justified. Isn’t confirmation bias the most likely explanation? _Feelings_ equal impression or a belief. A totality of the situation or circumstances, not any individual situation or occurrence. Some people refuse to see, let alone acknowledge, the other side of an argument. Citations would be futile with respect to them. I’m betting that’s why a cite isn’t coming your way. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terr-and-brainglutton/733406/210 "2015-10-06T15:28:28Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > _Feelings_ equal impression or a belief. A totality of the situation or circumstances, not any individual situation or occurrence. “Feelings” are not the totality of a situation. I can’t imagine where you got that idea from. Feelings are port of a situation, and sometimes they are justified and sometimes not. You’ve never mistakenly felt wronged when you misinterpreted what someone else said or did? > [@](#): > > Some people refuse to see, let alone acknowledge, the other side of an argument. Citations would be futile with respect to them. I’m betting that’s why a cite isn’t coming your way. I recommend you not quit your day job. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terr-and-brainglutton/733406/211 "2015-10-06T15:49:43Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > It’s interesting that you bring up something, my signoff, which is clearly and explicitly within the rules, as an example of **me** “inventing things to bitch about”. So the mods wrote a rule specifically for you, to allow you to continue your signoff that adds nothing to discussions and serves only to piss some people off. It’s like they bent over backwards for a conservative poster. ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terr-and-brainglutton/733406/212 "2015-10-06T15:58:43Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > So the mods wrote a rule specifically for you, to allow you to continue your signoff that adds nothing to discussions and serves only to piss some people off. It’s like they bent over backwards for a conservative poster. It only pisses off people who choose to be pissed off. No ones’ sign off has ever bothered me. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terr-and-brainglutton/733406/213 "2015-10-06T16:01:40Z")
> [@TroutMan](#): > > So the mods wrote a rule specifically for you, to allow you to continue your signoff that adds nothing to discussions and serves only to piss some people off. It’s like they bent over backwards for a conservative poster. Of all the things to be bothered by, this seems so trivial as to be laughable. But… Did the mods actually do that? ---
**Author:** ![FXMastermind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fxmastermind/32/7289_2.png) [@FXMastermind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FXMastermind)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terr-and-brainglutton/733406/214 "2015-10-06T16:04:57Z")
They can’t say. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terr-and-brainglutton/733406/215 "2015-10-06T16:08:34Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Of all the things to be bothered by, this seems so trivial as to be laughable. And I’m the one who gets told I am inventing things to bitch about. 🙂 Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Knorf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/58956e/32.png) [@Knorf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knorf)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terr-and-brainglutton/733406/216 "2015-10-06T16:15:05Z")
I have considerable respect for both **Bricker** and **Shodan** , but, guys: the idea that you’re somehow persecuted here for being conservative is just laughable. There is definitely a thing among right-wing Christians to seek martyrdom. Not to be martyred in fact, but rather to be able to claim the cloak of martyrdom. I know, I used to be one; I was once always on the lookout for perceived Anti-Christian actions or words. But it was all nonsense, trumped up outrage so some people can feel a smidgen of the righteousness of a true martyr: hence all of the “War on Christmas” idiocy. I suspect, and evidence holds up, that the right wing politically has been contaminated with the same silliness. Hence the “Kim Davis is a martyr and hero”-style stupidity. Frankly, it’s the same thing going on here. No moderating is ever going to be 100% fair. Not possible. Let’s say it’s 99.99% fair. That .01% unfairness is more than enough for some to cry, “Help! Help! I’m being oppressed!” Have a sense of perspective, really. You’re no Solzhenitsyn. > [@Drunky\_Smurf](#): > > It only pisses off people who choose to be pissed off. Sort of like Bo’s catchphrase. Neither bother me in the least. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terr-and-brainglutton/733406/217 "2015-10-06T16:22:10Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > You’ve said that you feel constrained, but you haven’t demonstrated that those feelings are justified. Isn’t confirmation bias the most likely explanation? Well, I certainly admit to the possibility of confirmation bias. But I don’t agree it’s the most likely. Of course, one problem is that no two incidents are precisely identical, which makes a rigorous comparison all but impossible. Still, why isn’t _your_ confirmation bias an equally likely candidate? After allm this thread began with an undeniable metric: for two essentially identical infractions, the conservative poster is banned and the liberal poster merely suspended. Why is it more likely that my confirmation bias is it play? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terr-and-brainglutton/733406/218 "2015-10-06T16:39:03Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > And I’m the one who gets told I am inventing things to bitch about. > > 🙂 > > Regards, > Shodan Much like in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terr-and-brainglutton/733406/219 "2015-10-06T16:40:43Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > Still, why isn’t _your_ confirmation bias an equally likely candidate? After allm this thread began with an undeniable metric: for two essentially identical infractions, the conservative poster is banned and the liberal poster merely suspended. Why is it more likely that my confirmation bias is it play? This actually confirms that you indeed have a confirmation bias. We’ve explained to you the differences in the timing and length of previous suspensions that led us to decide to ban **Terr** while suspending **BrainGlutton**. The fact that you ignore those differences, and fixiate solely on the political differences between them, suggests that you are biased towards seeing a bias against conservative posters despite alternative explanations. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terr-and-brainglutton/733406/220 "2015-10-06T16:42:56Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > After allm this thread began with an undeniable metric: for two essentially identical infractions, the conservative poster is banned and the liberal poster merely suspended.? And to add to that, BG got 5 full-on warnings after his suspension and is still given a pass. Even if you buy the silly “Oh, that suspension was just an “attention getter”” thing, it clearly _didn’t_ get his attention if he racked up 5 more warnings afterwards. Terr got 2 full-on warnings and was banned. For anything approaching “equal treatment”, BG should have gotten a “thin edge” suspension after the “attention getter” didn’t work, and then been banned. But like Der Trihs and a few others, they’re given lighter punishments for the same infractions as everyone else, and then those lighter punishments are used to justify milder treatement later (“That suspension was only an 'attention getter”) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terr-and-brainglutton/733406.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terr-and-brainglutton/733406.md?page=12)