# Terrell Owens A Bengal! WOOT! **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [July 27, 2010, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-a-bengal-woot/548237 "2010-07-27T21:53:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-a-bengal-woot/548237/21 "2010-07-28T13:34:36Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > Meh. They’re still the Bengals. > > Don’t get me wrong, I think it would be great if they did well and I would be behind them but… > > …they’re still the Bengals. What does this even mean? The Bengals under Marvin Lewis are a legit franchise. It isn’t 1993 with Dave Shula and David Klingler anymore. > [@Hamlet](#): > > There is a part of me that will enjoy watching TO and Chad 85 battle not just for the ball, but for attention. Instead of one person screaming “PAY ATTENTION TO ME!!!” the Bengals will now have two, both playing the same position. That will be fun to watch for me. Add in head case Antonio Bryant, and you have quite the trio going on in Cincy. I do pity Carson for having to keep them happy. > > \*\*As far as football is concerned, I think TO is past his prime and won’t be a huge addition to the team, maybe just a slight upgrade from Bryant. I also think the Bengals are making a mistake by not trying harder to develop their young receivers. I actually really like their young WR crew. Simpson sucks, but Caldwell has potential, and I really think Briscoe, Barnes, Shipley, Purify, and Cosby all have the ability to make a difference in the NFL. By bringing in TO, those guys are going to be yet another year away from developing into NFL receivers. > \*\* > But, hey! It’s good theater. I’m not worried about it. This is a one-shot deal with TO to try to push us over the top to the Superbowl. TO is certainly past his prime, but even so is still better than any other team’s #2 IMO. He’s just a fantastic receiver, one of the best ever to play the game. The other wideouts will get their shot. Caldwell and Shipley are locks to make the team and Briscoe was a 6th round pick, I’m thinking practice squad for him. Purify isn’t very good and will be cut. The only one I’m worried about is Cosby. He was a very good PR for us last season and would like for him to be again. But with Pacman on board that job may be in jeapordy (although Pacman’s last year returning for Dallas he was awful). ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-a-bengal-woot/548237/22 "2010-07-28T13:59:07Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > > [@DCnDC](#): > > > > Meh. They’re still the Bengals. > > > > Don’t get me wrong, I think it would be great if they did well and I would be behind them but… > > > > …they’re still the Bengals. > > What does this even mean? The Bengals under Marvin Lewis are a legit franchise. It isn’t 1993 with Dave Shula and David Klingler anymore. C’mon man everyone knows what this means. They’ll make a good run of it every decade or so, but will ultimately fall apart. I like Carson Palmer but he can’t consistently stay on the field. Under Marvin Lewis, who I like, they’ve had only 2 winning seasons, and they’re 56-55-1 under him. That may seem like “legit” to their fans, but average at best to everyone else. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-a-bengal-woot/548237/23 "2010-07-28T13:59:38Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > I’m not worried about it. This is a one-shot deal with TO to try to push us over the top to the Superbowl. TO is certainly past his prime, but even so is still better than any other team’s #2 IMO. Wes Welker, Sidney Rice, Anquan Boldin, Donald Driver, Devery Henderson, Mario Manningham, Hakeem Nicks. All #2 WR who performed as good as, or better, than TO when TO was the #1 in Buffalo. He had one game over 100 yards receiving, and nearly 23% of his yards came in one game against Jacksonville. I’m not so sure he’ll settle nicely into a #2 role, especially with a guy like Chad being #1. > [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > He’s just a fantastic receiver, one of the best ever to play the game. Was. He was a fantastic receiver. Now, I’m not so sure his production justifies his headaches. > [@FoieGras](#): > > The other wideouts will get their shot. Caldwell and Shipley are locks to make the team and Briscoe was a 6th round pick, I’m thinking practice squad for him. Purify isn’t very good and will be cut. The only one I’m worried about is Cosby. He was a very good PR for us last season and would like for him to be again. But with Pacman on board that job may be in jeapordy (although Pacman’s last year returning for Dallas he was awful). Getting TO on board, means less practice reps, less passes thrown their way, less work at the #2 WR spot in training camp and games, and less playing time for all of them. Making the team isn’t enough to help them develop. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-a-bengal-woot/548237/24 "2010-07-28T14:50:38Z")
> [@DCnDC](#): > > > [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > > > > [@DCnDC](#): > > > > > > Meh. They’re still the Bengals. > > > > > > Don’t get me wrong, I think it would be great if they did well and I would be behind them but… > > > > > > …they’re still the Bengals. > > > > What does this even mean? The Bengals under Marvin Lewis are a legit franchise. It isn’t 1993 with Dave Shula and David Klingler anymore. > > C’mon man everyone knows what this means. They’ll make a good run of it every decade or so, but will ultimately fall apart. I like Carson Palmer but he can’t consistently stay on the field. Under Marvin Lewis, who I like, they’ve had only 2 winning seasons, and they’re 56-55-1 under him. That may seem like “legit” to their fans, but average at best to everyone else. This is still 1990’s to early 2000’s thinking. It took a lot for Marvin to turn around the culture and the roster when he took over in 2003. We’ve had some really unfortunate injuries hit the franchise, most notably in 2008 when we were 4-11-1. Bringing on Coach Zimmer to handle the defense has paid off big and will continue to do so. Franchise history means very little in today’s NFL anyway. Witness the Saints. They were bad for a really, really long time. OK, maybe the Lions history can be used to judge the team. But they are improving too. > [@Hamlet](#): > > > [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > > > I’m not worried about it. This is a one-shot deal with TO to try to push us over the top to the Superbowl. TO is certainly past his prime, but even so is still better than any other team’s #2 IMO. > > Wes Welker, Sidney Rice, Anquan Boldin, Donald Driver, Devery Henderson, Mario Manningham, Hakeem Nicks. All #2 WR who performed as good as, or better, than TO when TO was the #1 in Buffalo. He had one game over 100 yards receiving, and nearly 23% of his yards came in one game against Jacksonville. I’m not so sure he’ll settle nicely into a #2 role, especially with a guy like Chad being #1. > > > [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > > > He’s just a fantastic receiver, one of the best ever to play the game. > > Was. He was a fantastic receiver. Now, I’m not so sure his production justifies his headaches. > > > [@FoieGras](#): > > > > The other wideouts will get their shot. Caldwell and Shipley are locks to make the team and Briscoe was a 6th round pick, I’m thinking practice squad for him. Purify isn’t very good and will be cut. The only one I’m worried about is Cosby. He was a very good PR for us last season and would like for him to be again. But with Pacman on board that job may be in jeapordy (although Pacman’s last year returning for Dallas he was awful). > > Getting TO on board, means less practice reps, less passes thrown their way, less work at the #2 WR spot in training camp and games, and less playing time for all of them. Making the team isn’t enough to help them develop. Terrell Owens managed a very good 15.1 YPC last season playing for the lousy Bills with horrible Ryan Fitzpatrick as his QB. Look at his stats in 2008 instead, when he had 69 catches for over a 1,000 yards, 10 TD’s and a 15.0 YPC average. I wish people would quit pointing to last season as some way to determine that he’s washed up. The Bills and their QB last season were miserable. You don’t have to look any further than Chad Ochocinco’s stats in 2008 when Fitzpatrick was the Bengals QB after Carson hurt his elbow. That guy is atrocious. ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-a-bengal-woot/548237/25 "2010-07-28T15:54:48Z")
I think it’s a great move for the Bengals. I don’t think TO will be a cancer. But he will grab headlines from the media. They will fall all over themselves trying to create havok like they did in Dallas. (Although he did keep his mouth shut in Buffalo) I’m more interested in the TD celebrations created by the combo of TO and 85. They should probably spend some time practicing kicking-off from the 20. ---
**Author:** ![Bearflag70](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Bearflag70](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bearflag70)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-a-bengal-woot/548237/26 "2010-07-28T17:05:18Z")
Dallas has their new alleged prima donna now … Dez Bryant. [He refused to carry Roy Williams pads in training camp](http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Dez-Bryant-refuses-the-chores-of-a-lowly-rookie?urn=nfl-258041), like a good rookie should. He said he’s there to play football, not carry other players’ pads. I say good for him for refusing to engage in hazing bullshit. ---
**Author:** ![Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f475e1/32.png) [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jimmy_Chitwood)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-a-bengal-woot/548237/27 "2010-07-28T17:29:50Z")
Yeah, the Dez Bryant media-driven hatefest will reverse course rather dramatically when he starts doing the things on the field that he’s going to start doing. Said the Eagles fan. [QUOTE=Hamlet] Wes Welker, Sidney Rice, Anquan Boldin, Donald Driver, Devery Henderson, Mario Manningham, Hakeem Nicks. All #2 WR who performed as good as, or better, than TO when TO was the #1 in Buffalo. [/QUOTE] You think all these guys are better football players than Terrell Owens? ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-a-bengal-woot/548237/28 "2010-07-28T17:41:38Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > If Cincy hadn’t signed T.O., his career would be over. Ochocinco has maybe two years left, and maybe not - could be this year. So you’ve got two primadonna WRs who are winding down, and expect all the plays. When are all those other guys going to play? Ochocinco is a loudmouth who talks to the media too much. But I haven’t seen him badmouth Palmer before. (I might have missed it.) Rumors of his primadonnaness are overrated. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-a-bengal-woot/548237/29 "2010-07-28T17:42:01Z")
> [@Jimmy\_Chitwood](#): > > Yeah, the Dez Bryant media-driven hatefest will reverse course rather dramatically when he starts doing the things on the field that he’s going to start doing. > > Said the Eagles fan. > > > [@Hamlet](#): > > > > Wes Welker, Sidney Rice, Anquan Boldin, Donald Driver, Devery Henderson, Mario Manningham, Hakeem Nicks. All #2 WR who performed as good as, or better, than TO when TO was the #1 in Buffalo. > > You think all these guys are better football players than Terrell Owens? I’d say 2 or 3 of them, definitely. But that list all had better QBs throwing to them. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-a-bengal-woot/548237/30 "2010-07-28T17:58:24Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Ochocinco is a loudmouth who talks to the media too much. But I haven’t seen him badmouth Palmer before. (I might have missed it.) Rumors of his primadonnaness are overrated. Back when Houshmandzadeh was still on the team, Chad complained often and loudly that Palmer favored Housh over Him, even when He wasn’t double covered, which wasn’t very often because a man of His incredible talent SHOULD be double, even triple covered. Tensions have diminished since Housh left. Can’t wait for the fireworks between two egomaniacs. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-a-bengal-woot/548237/31 "2010-07-28T18:00:48Z")
Gotcha. Forgot about that. It’s not excuseable, but it has to be tough to be in an actual “the student surpasses the teacher” situation like that. This is slightly different - let’s hope it does/doesn’t happen again (depending on your affiliation…). ---
**Author:** ![mske](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ccd318/32.png) [@mske](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mske)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-a-bengal-woot/548237/32 "2010-07-28T20:23:33Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Terrell Owens managed a very good 15.1 YPC last season playing for the lousy Bills with horrible Ryan Fitzpatrick as his QB. Look at his stats in 2008 instead, when he had 69 catches for over a 1,000 yards, 10 TD’s and a 15.0 YPC average. I wish people would quit pointing to last season as some way to determine that he’s washed up. The Bills and their QB last season were miserable. You don’t have to look any further than Chad Ochocinco’s stats in 2008 when Fitzpatrick was the Bengals QB after Carson hurt his elbow. That guy is atrocious. As a (now former) season ticket holder of the Buffalo Bills, allow me to interupt your pen and paper fantasy with reality. Note that Fitzpatrick was only the started for about half the season. Trent Edwards lost the starting job after a week 5 concussion, retook it briefly when he came back, but gave it up for good a week or so later. They are not necessarily bad quaterbacks, but we haven’t had the chance to find out. Peyton Manning would look terrible behind Buffalo’s offensive line. 15.1 YPC is a good stat, however the operative words are **per catch**. TO had the fourth highest number of dropped passes last year and was in the top 15 of Passes Not Caught (just a few behind Mr. Ochocinco). So unless that ball is right in his mitts, he isn’t going to get you 15.1 yards. Fight through coverage to come down with a pass? :snicker: Run a crossing route? Not a chance - only 6 receptions in the middle of the field last year. Throw a block downfield on a running play? The guy is a flippin’ matador when it comes to tying up a defensive back. Football is a team sport. Unless Terrell Owens is the primary focus for consistant stretches, he will not be doing the little things that get you that extra two yards needed for the first down on a left sweep running play, or break up a potential interception on a deflected pass. He’ll be all energy to start the season, but the first two game losing streak or blowout loss and I predict that Bengals fans will start to tire of him just like we did. Let’s revisit this thread around week 10 of the season and see where we are. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-a-bengal-woot/548237/33 "2010-07-28T21:22:36Z")
[quote=“mske, post:32, topic:548237”] > [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Football is a team sport. Unless Terrell Owens is the primary focus for consistant stretches, he will not be doing the little things that get you that extra two yards needed for the first down on a left sweep running play, or break up a potential interception on a deflected pass. He’ll be all energy to start the season, but the first two game losing streak or blowout loss and I predict that Bengals fans will start to tire of him just like we did. > > Let’s revisit this thread around week 10 of the season and see where we are. If Owens doesn’t do the things the coaches ask of him, he won’t play. Marvin has “put up with” Chad only so much, the same would apply to Owens. We were a legit playoff contender without Owens, and we have a lot of good, young wideouts right now. I think TO will toe the line, mostly in part because he really wants to get a ring and because Chad is a good friend of his. Chad may be an attention whore, but he’s really good with the fans, randomly taking bunches of them to the movies on his dime, paying for stranger’s meals for the hell of it, etc. He’s actually a good guy. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2010, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-a-bengal-woot/548237/34 "2010-07-28T22:17:37Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Wes Welker, Sidney Rice, Anquan Boldin, Donald Driver, Devery Henderson, Mario Manningham, Hakeem Nicks. All #2 WR who performed as good as, or better, than TO when TO was the #1 in Buffalo. As a Giants fan I have high hopes for Hakeem Nicks, but I think you might be giving Mario Manningham a little too much credit. However, I think the 2009 Giants illustrate your point about developing receivers quite nicely. Going into 2009, the story was that the Giants and Bears were in a toss-up for worst receiving corps in the league. With a year of development under their belt – Eli’s best year as a passer, btw – I’m quite happy with the surplus of young, promising talent at the position. I am thrilled that the Giants didn’t bring in a guy like TO last year, since it wouldn’t have mattered much for the team but would absolutely have stunted the development of the franchise’s future at the position. Keep in mind how incredibly old TO is. He came into the league in the fabled 96 draft class, which included: Keyshawn Johnson Terry Glenn Eddie Kennison Marvin Harrison Eric Moulds Bobby Engram Terrell Owens Muhsin Muhammad Amani Toomer Jermaine Lewis Joe Horn I wouldn’t want anyone on that list for 2010, including Owens. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-a-bengal-woot/548237/35 "2010-07-29T00:48:11Z")
Suck it, haters: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn70TDYUo0Q](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qn70TDYUo0Q) And that’s with the sorry-assed Bills. Yeah, Owens is scared of going over the middle…he’s really hard to bring down. And I apologize for the music. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-a-bengal-woot/548237/36 "2010-07-29T02:41:42Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > > [@Hamlet](#): > > > > Wes Welker, Sidney Rice, Anquan Boldin, Donald Driver, Devery Henderson, Mario Manningham, Hakeem Nicks. All #2 WR who performed as good as, or better, than TO when TO was the #1 in Buffalo. > > As a Giants fan I have high hopes for Hakeem Nicks, but I think you might be giving Mario Manningham a little too much credit. However, I think the 2009 Giants illustrate your point about developing receivers quite nicely. Going into 2009, the story was that the Giants and Bears were in a toss-up for worst receiving corps in the league. With a year of development under their belt – Eli’s best year as a passer, btw – I’m quite happy with the surplus of young, promising talent at the position. I am thrilled that the Giants didn’t bring in a guy like TO last year, since it wouldn’t have mattered much for the team but would absolutely have stunted the development of the franchise’s future at the position. > > Keep in mind how incredibly old TO is. He came into the league in the fabled 96 draft class, which included: > > Keyshawn Johnson > Terry Glenn > Eddie Kennison > Marvin Harrison > Eric Moulds > Bobby Engram > Terrell Owens > Muhsin Muhammad > Amani Toomer > Jermaine Lewis > Joe Horn > > I wouldn’t want anyone on that list for 2010, including Owens. The cool thing is he’s better than pretty much all those guys combined. ---
**Author:** ![crypto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b3f665/32.png) [@crypto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crypto)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-a-bengal-woot/548237/37 "2010-07-29T02:46:01Z")
**FoieGrasIsEvil** Are you a Bengals fan? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-a-bengal-woot/548237/38 "2010-07-29T03:45:08Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > The cool thing is he’s better than pretty much all those guys combined. Well duh, they’re all retired. Owens \> 0_0_0_0_0_0_0\*0 isn’t exactly effusive praise. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-a-bengal-woot/548237/39 "2010-07-29T12:07:49Z")
> [@Stink Fish Pot](#): > > **FoieGrasIsEvil** > > Are you a Bengals fan? > 😃 😃 > [@EllisDee](#): > > > [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > > > The cool thing is he’s better than pretty much all those guys combined. > > Well duh, they’re all retired. Owens \> 0_0_0_0_0_0_0\*0 isn’t exactly effusive praise. Well, in my defense (and perhaps I should have clarified), I meant “better than them when they were all playing”. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2010, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-a-bengal-woot/548237/40 "2010-07-29T13:10:15Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#): > > Well, in my defense (and perhaps I should have clarified), I meant “better than them when they were all playing”. You forgot to add “if you leave Marvin Harrison off that list”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-a-bengal-woot/548237.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-a-bengal-woot/548237.md?page=3)