# Terrell Owens: ASSHAT or FUCKKNUCKLE? You make the call. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 15, 2002, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-asshat-or-fuckknuckle-you-make-the-call/132405 "2002-10-15T22:25:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![davidw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c4cdca/32.png) [@davidw](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidw)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2002, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-asshat-or-fuckknuckle-you-make-the-call/132405/41 "2002-10-16T19:03:24Z")
> [@](#): > > Stop and think – how many times during the season now will an opposing safety or linebacker attempt to tee off on Owens on general principle? Each time he gets tackled, the defender is going to say something like “Where’s your Sharpie now?” Long-term, he’s opened himself up to a ton of otherwise avoidable trash. And, of course, the 49ers have to play Seattle again. Any bets on how often he’ll be hit in that game? And imo, that’s the best way to deal with taunting, instead of with fines and suspensions. Let the players police it. ---
**Author:** ![blanx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f04885/32.png) [@blanx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blanx)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2002, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-asshat-or-fuckknuckle-you-make-the-call/132405/42 "2002-10-16T19:23:41Z")
No, no, no. The best case scenario is that Terrell Owens has to run a crossing route over the middle, and John Lynch, or some other safety gets a nice running head start and plants his helmet between the numbers on T.O’s chest. Then, as T.O. is lying dazed (but not injured) on the turf, said defender reaches into T.O.'s sock, and signs T.O’s jersey. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2002, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-asshat-or-fuckknuckle-you-make-the-call/132405/43 "2002-10-16T21:52:38Z")
Um, **lieu?** > [@](#): > > Even though I’m a Dallas fan I suspect that is your problem more than my post. Ion’t know exactly why you singled my post out, it wasn’t as egregious as some others… Please don’t take my opinion so personally, it makes your reply seem even more immature than Owens’ acts. Though this is the Pit, your response to my opinion was unduly harsh. You’re really a pit bull hiding behind the anonymity of a computer and a username. I’m not impressed. Please take a few deep breaths and examine your puzzling need to lash out at people who don’t share your opinion. Though I thought Owens’ antics were funny, I don’t and didn’t post that I approve of that behavior in general. It’s possible to think something that you don’t agree with is funny. No notion-adhering here. Your assumption about my opinion was flat out wrong. Then you had the audacity to criticize how I raise my children. That is truly a juvenile and classless act on your part, to use your own words. You don’t know me or my children, and you are unbelievably out of line for bringing them into this. One thing I’m sure I’m going to try to raise them not to do, however, is go off like a shrill jackass over someone’s differing opinion. The fact that I neglected to mention that Owens got attacked by a Dallas player after his act was not a matter of me having feces in my cranial area, it simply didn’t matter to me. How dare me. I do agree with you on one point, though. I think the way Barry Sanders conducted himself once reaching the end zone was classy, and I wish more players today were like that. However, the TV networks and a lot of fans don’t, though, because there’s a close-up on every player who excessively celebrates making a tackle or making a first down. Apparently, not enough people complain about it for the league to ban it or the networks to not show it. And no, I’m not going to go fuck myself, and save your vitriol for something more important than football. ---
**Author:** ![WSLer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a6a055/32.png) [@WSLer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WSLer)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2002, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-asshat-or-fuckknuckle-you-make-the-call/132405/44 "2002-10-16T22:14:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by TwistofFate \* > \*\*the difference between Owens and that kid in little leauge is that Little League is all about teaching sportmanship and teamwork. > > The NFL is more about making large, large sums of money. > > chill, WSLer. \*\* And where are kids supposed to learn about sportsmanship and teamwork? From watching the pros, therefore your post is irrelevant. Oh, wait, you approve of what Owens did, 'cause the NFL is all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. OH PLEASE. Grow up. Oh wait, that’ll never happen.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: I just loved seeing Owens try and foist all of the blame/controversy over what HE did off on the media, calling the whole thing a “media invention.”:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2002, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-asshat-or-fuckknuckle-you-make-the-call/132405/45 "2002-10-16T23:20:54Z")
**An Arky** , upon reread it does appear I singled you out. Plus, you sound pretty damn level headed. My apologies. I’ve spent the past week with a bunch of Cowboy haters and the shit gets really old. Nothing personal, please accept my apology. ---
**Author:** ![An\_Arky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/87869e/32.png) [@An\_Arky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/An_Arky)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2002, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-asshat-or-fuckknuckle-you-make-the-call/132405/46 "2002-10-16T23:51:59Z")
Apology accepted and no hard feelings, **lieu**.🆒 …but I don’t like the Cowboys…😃 ---
**Author:** ![kevja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/aeb1de/32.png) [@kevja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kevja)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-asshat-or-fuckknuckle-you-make-the-call/132405/47 "2002-10-17T00:07:24Z")
I thought the signing it was kind of silly and over the top. But the reaction has been laugh out loud funny. Carry on, Terrell. Go Niners! ---
**Author:** ![Stuffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@Stuffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stuffy)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-asshat-or-fuckknuckle-you-make-the-call/132405/48 "2002-10-17T01:06:48Z")
Hard core Niners fan here so take this with a grain of salt. WSLer according to every account I read, the victimized corner back and Owens communicated (read taunted each other) all week, and he was cool with Owens did (they share the same finacial adviser - the guy Owens gave the ball to). You’re blowing this wayyyyyy out of proportion. And yes it is partially a media invention, as get ready for this, they keep showing it; writing about it; and generally behaving like well the media. ---
**Author:** ![Sublight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Sublight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sublight)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-asshat-or-fuckknuckle-you-make-the-call/132405/49 "2002-10-17T02:11:20Z")
Honestly, people, what do you expect? He’s a [Wide Receiver](http://slate.msn.com/?id=2072213), for Pete’s sake. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-asshat-or-fuckknuckle-you-make-the-call/132405/50 "2002-10-17T04:38:37Z")
I’ve felt terrible for the last several hours after rereading my initial post and realizing the effect it had on a respected poster here. **An Arky** , again, I’m sorry. I let my indignation over the fact the Boys get frequently bashed manifest itself in a personal attack and that was soooo wrong. I do love my team and miss the living shit out of Landry, Garrison and Staubach. Your response and forgiveness are much appreciated. I do hate taunting. I feel it’s classless and demeans the sport. I should have kept my emotions in check and, more importantly, focused. BTW, the “shit for brains” reference was decidedly towards Owens. I’m sorry that wasn’t more obvious. It should have been Terrell flying to California to apologize instead of Steve to Florida. I truly wish character could somehow be rewarded on the field, but then I guess, in actuality, it is it’s own reward. Oh to have more players like Payton, Sayers, Piccolo and Sanders and less like Deion, Irvin, Romanowski, Moss and, affectionately, Owens. Here’s to a fantasy league. ---
**Author:** ![Rilchiam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rilchiam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rilchiam)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-asshat-or-fuckknuckle-you-make-the-call/132405/51 "2002-10-17T14:18:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by spooje \* > \*\*It’s not his ball to give away, after all. But a $500 fine to a millionaire is not much of a deterrent. \*\* He was fined [25 grand](http://www.detnews.com/2000/lions/0009/26/sports-125889.htm) for his antics in Dallas. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-asshat-or-fuckknuckle-you-make-the-call/132405/52 "2002-10-17T15:51:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sauron \* > \*\*. > I think any sort of celebration is stupid, regardless of who does it. The “Dirty Bird” dance of (I think) Jamal Anderson looked ridiculous. The “Ickey Shuffle” was inane. I’m with Paul Brown and Paul Bryant on this – act like you’ve been there before. > \*\* How about the Mile High Salute? ---
**Author:** ![Sauron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce7236/32.png) [@Sauron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sauron)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-asshat-or-fuckknuckle-you-make-the-call/132405/53 "2002-10-17T16:01:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by asterion \* > How about the Mile High Salute? Yup. Stupid. As is (and it almost pains me to say this) the Lambeau Leap. Cross the goal line. Say a quick prayer if you want. Flip the ball to the official. Jog off the field, or line up for the extra point. That’s it. Anything that calls attention to yourself is stupid. There were 10 other guys that helped you get in the end zone; making a big production when you score implies you did it yourself. Not good. ---
**Author:** ![rexnervous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e9c0ed/32.png) [@rexnervous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rexnervous)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-asshat-or-fuckknuckle-you-make-the-call/132405/54 "2002-10-17T16:05:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by lieu \* > \*\* > > I truly wish character could somehow be rewarded on the field, but then I guess, in actuality, it is it’s own reward. > > Oh to have more players like Payton, Sayers, Piccolo and Sanders and less like Deion, Irvin, Romanowski, Moss and, affectionately, Owens. > > Here’s to a fantasy league. \*\* Where I thankfully have Terrell Owens on my roster. Now, if only they could make those NFL gamecasts show touchdown celebrations… 😃 😃 ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2002, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-asshat-or-fuckknuckle-you-make-the-call/132405/55 "2002-10-17T16:48:09Z")
I’ll be watching Dec. 1st that should be a hell of a game. ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-asshat-or-fuckknuckle-you-make-the-call/132405/56 "2002-10-18T17:06:45Z")
T.O. plays the race card. Gee what a shock. Couldn’t be _his_ fault or anything. :rolleyes: [http://msn.espn.go.com/nfl/news/2002/1017/1447321.html](http://msn.espn.go.com/nfl/news/2002/1017/1447321.html) > [@](#): > > SANTA CLARA, Calif. – Terrell Owens, fined $5,000 by the NFL on Wednesday for an untucked shirttail but not cited for his touchdown/autograph celebration Monday in Seattle, is implying that race is a factor in how his actions are perceived. > > “You have a white guy as an announcer and sportscaster,” Owens was quoted as saying in the San Francisco Examiner. "Me, I’m black. I do it and I’ve already done some stuff in the past. > > “We’re (African-Americans) more expressive than the white guys,” Owen said. “You look at the skilled players. We’re the ones that get into the end zone. We get in the end zone more than they do.” ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-asshat-or-fuckknuckle-you-make-the-call/132405/57 "2002-10-18T17:44:34Z")
Classy guy. ---
**Author:** ![WSLer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a6a055/32.png) [@WSLer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WSLer)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-asshat-or-fuckknuckle-you-make-the-call/132405/58 "2002-10-18T21:14:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by elf6c \* > \*\*T.O. plays the race card. Gee what a shock. Couldn’t be _his_ fault or anything. :rolleyes: > > [http://msn.espn.go.com/nfl/news/2002/1017/1447321.html](http://msn.espn.go.com/nfl/news/2002/1017/1447321.html) > > \*\* So apparently Owens wants Ludacris, doing play-by-play/ color commentary, shouting for “The Bitches and ho’s to shake that ass up,” or some shite like that.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: **Stuffy,** So, do you think the other 60 odd members of the Seahawks–players/coaches/trainers, not to mention the 50,000+ fans thought it was hilarious and it wasn’t taunting? Oh please. I suppose that you think the hit that Leonard Marshall laid on Joe Montana back in the 91 NFC Championship game was a cheap shot, right?:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Stuffy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f17d59/32.png) [@Stuffy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stuffy)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-asshat-or-fuckknuckle-you-make-the-call/132405/59 "2002-10-18T21:48:30Z")
[QUOTE] \*Originally posted by WSLer \* **So, do you think the other 60 odd members of the Seahawks–players/coaches/trainers, not to mention the 50,000+ fans thought it was hilarious and it wasn’t taunting?** No I have a different word for them: Sore Losers, particulary GM/Head-Coach Holmgren. Guess you gotta shift the focus right? > [@](#): > > \*\*I suppose that you think the hit that Leonard Marshall laid on Joe Montana back in the 91 NFC Championship game was a cheap shot, right?:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: \*\* Straw man much? Good thing you used all those rollyeyes saving me from the trouble. Get over it man, it was a 30 second, if that, moment in time. ---
**Author:** ![imthjckaz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/imthjckaz/32/3223_2.png) [@imthjckaz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/imthjckaz)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2002, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-asshat-or-fuckknuckle-you-make-the-call/132405/60 "2002-10-18T22:41:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by WSLer \* > \*\*And where are kids supposed to learn about sportsmanship and teamwork? > > From watching the pros, therefore your post is irrelevant. > \*\* Uh, kids are supposed to learn about sportsmanship and teamwork from thier parents, teachers and coaches, not by watching sports on tv. Atleast that’s where I learned it. As a youth coach for 20 years, the first thing I talked about was sportsmanship and teamwork, the “_There is no **‘I’** in team_” speech. Kids should not be told that watching sports on tv teaches you sportmanship and teamwork, because a most of it doesn’t. These things are better learned on a personal level. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-asshat-or-fuckknuckle-you-make-the-call/132405.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrell-owens-asshat-or-fuckknuckle-you-make-the-call/132405.md?page=4)