# Terror Attack in Moscow, Russia (March 22, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [March 22, 2024, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-attack-in-moscow-russia-march-22-2024/999222 "2024-03-22T20:58:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2024, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-attack-in-moscow-russia-march-22-2024/999222/21 "2024-03-23T23:50:52Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Sure? No. It’s too early to be sure. > > But this event is already the subject of conspiracy theories, most, or all, false I agree it’s extremely unlikely this isn’t a Russian conspiracy. Putin is supporting Iran and the Taliban. Both enemies of ISIS-K. An attack would happen eventually. The brutality of this attack is sickening. [https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-we-know-about-shooting-concert-venue-near-moscow-2024-03-22/](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/what-we-know-about-shooting-concert-venue-near-moscow-2024-03-22/) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2024, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-attack-in-moscow-russia-march-22-2024/999222/22 "2024-03-24T00:23:56Z")
Trying to say there’s no Russian conspiracy. Messed up my wording before. Been a long day. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2024, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-attack-in-moscow-russia-march-22-2024/999222/23 "2024-03-24T01:53:41Z")
Thanks for clarification. I was mightily confused. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2024, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-attack-in-moscow-russia-march-22-2024/999222/24 "2024-03-24T02:06:47Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > hat’s nice; meanwhile, Republicans in Congress continue to stall on sending basic munitions and materiel to Ukraine that the US already previously committed to contributing. That would be “Putin’s puppets in Congress” ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2024, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-attack-in-moscow-russia-march-22-2024/999222/25 "2024-03-24T16:11:43Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > The US government is reporting Russia was warned a month ago about a possible attack on public gatherings. The warning might not have been specific. But of course various people in Russia are saying this _proves_ America were behind it all. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-attack-in-moscow-russia-march-22-2024/999222/26 "2024-03-25T01:53:59Z")
The 4 suspects appeared in court. Does Russia prefer execution or years of hard labor and abuse in Siberia? Either way they die, it’s just how long it takes. > **[4 men charged in Moscow attack, showing signs of beatings at hearing as court...](https://apnews.com/article/russia-moscow-krasnogorsk-gunmen-concert-hall-fire-b719cbe27d26207955fd423b1e3ddc68)** > > Four men accused of staging the Russia concert hall attack that killed more than 130 people have appeared before a Moscow court showing signs of severe beatings as they faced formal terrorism charges. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-attack-in-moscow-russia-march-22-2024/999222/27 "2024-03-25T07:57:12Z")
AFAIK, Russia has abolished the death penalty (at least, within the judicial system, which is not to overlook what the spy/security agencies and other proxies like the Chechen government get up to). ---
**Author:** ![Napier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Napier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Napier)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-attack-in-moscow-russia-march-22-2024/999222/28 "2024-03-25T11:57:04Z")
Anyone know why Crocus City Hall’s big signage is in English? Only the smaller signs are in Russian (or at least Cyrillic). ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-attack-in-moscow-russia-march-22-2024/999222/29 "2024-03-25T12:30:42Z")
Putin is a pig. He tried to make political hay out of the slaughter of his own people by blaming Ukraine for what ISIS openly admitting doing. According to the news outlets I frequent, we actually warned them that the terrorist attack was imminent. I wouldn’t be surprised if Putin WANTED to happen so that he could get political leverage out of it. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-attack-in-moscow-russia-march-22-2024/999222/30 "2024-03-25T13:44:55Z")
CNN showed them literally being dragged from a van into the courtroom; it was unclear whether their heads were bandaged or blindfolded or both, but they didn’t appear to be in good shape. And I don’t expect that their condition will be getting any better. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-attack-in-moscow-russia-march-22-2024/999222/31 "2024-03-25T14:07:10Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > I wouldn’t be surprised if Putin WANTED to happen so that he could get political leverage out of it. Nah. He’s supposed to be the Protector of the Russian People; this kind of attack makes him look weak. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-attack-in-moscow-russia-march-22-2024/999222/32 "2024-03-25T14:08:40Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > CNN showed them literally being dragged from a van into the courtroom; it was unclear whether their heads were bandaged or blindfolded or both, but they didn’t appear to be in good shape. And I don’t expect that their condition will be getting any better. From what I’ve seen of documentaries showing how prisoners are handled in Russian prisons, it’s pretty much normal procedure for a prisoner to have their hands cuffed behind them and a guard force them to walk bent over like that. Not what I would call dragging, as the prisoners are walking forward under their own power, but it looks like the whole process is designed to reinforce submission and afford them zero opportunity to do anything other than walk from point A to point B. The facial damage is a separate issue. If it didn’t occur when they were being apprehended, then it wouldn’t surprise me if happened when they were “voluntarily” confessing. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-attack-in-moscow-russia-march-22-2024/999222/33 "2024-03-25T14:10:03Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Nah. He’s supposed to be the Protector of the Russian People; this kind of attack makes him look weak. I agree with your statement in spirit but, in this case, failing to conquer Ukraine has already made him look weak. His image and the image of the Russian military has taken a beating. He needs to win that war as the first step in reconstructing the Soviet Union, which is his wet dream. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-attack-in-moscow-russia-march-22-2024/999222/34 "2024-03-25T14:10:38Z")
Also, although Putin is accustomed to getting away with blatant lies because of the disinformation network he maintains, he is also surely astute enough to realize that it would soon become clear that there’s no connection to Ukraine whatsoever, as indeed has already happened. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-attack-in-moscow-russia-march-22-2024/999222/35 "2024-03-25T15:32:27Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > CNN showed them literally being dragged from a van into the courtroom; it was unclear whether their heads were bandaged or blindfolded or both, but they didn’t appear to be in good shape. And I don’t expect that their condition will be getting any better. There is video of one of the suspects being forced to eat his own ear. I think it’s safe to say they are not being treated well. I can both believe that they shouldn’t be treated that way and also have no sympathy for murderous scum at the same time. It does make me question if they have the right guys or they just beat up the usual suspects. [https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1880954/Russia-Moscow-Crocus-City-Hall-terrorist-attack/amp](https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1880954/Russia-Moscow-Crocus-City-Hall-terrorist-attack/amp) ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-attack-in-moscow-russia-march-22-2024/999222/36 "2024-03-25T15:41:00Z")
> [@Loach](#): > > I can both believe that they shouldn’t be treated that way and also have no sympathy for murderous scum at the same time. I think most of us feel the same way. > [@Loach](#): > > It does make me question if they have the right guys or they just beat up the usual suspects. That’s an interesting and disturbing question. Since they’ve been identified as residents of Tajikistan and as a result of the attack the president of that country has vowed to fight ISIS terrorism alongside Putin, if those aren’t the guys Putin is pulling quite an ambitious scam even for him. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-attack-in-moscow-russia-march-22-2024/999222/37 "2024-03-25T18:58:21Z")
I’m surprised the men didn’t use suicide belts to avoid capture and kill more people. Their future will be unimaginable levels of abuse and work. But they knew that from the beginning. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2024, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-attack-in-moscow-russia-march-22-2024/999222/38 "2024-03-25T20:56:12Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > That would be “Putin’s puppets in Congress” Well, maybe “trumps puppets in Congress” is better, but trump does have Putins strings on him. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-attack-in-moscow-russia-march-22-2024/999222/39 "2024-03-26T01:45:37Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I’m surprised the men didn’t use suicide belts to avoid capture and kill more people. > > Their future will be unimaginable levels of abuse and work. But they knew that from the beginning. Which is why I strongly suspect these are 4 random patsies of an ethnicity close enough to support Putin’s narrative on Russian TV. In a country where random official violence is a normal everyday occurrence on a huge scale, the only thing noteworthy about these 4 unfortunate folks is that many people will read their names and see their faces before they disappear then die. The other hundreds (thousands counting the war) of daily victims will remain anonymous to all but their immediate families. ---
**Author:** ![Bookkeeper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bookkeeper/32/281_2.png) [@Bookkeeper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bookkeeper)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2024, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-attack-in-moscow-russia-march-22-2024/999222/40 "2024-03-29T02:29:38Z")
They seem to match the visual evidence from the attack. [(NYT article)](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/world/europe/moscow-attack-suspects-russia-evidence.html) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-attack-in-moscow-russia-march-22-2024/999222.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-attack-in-moscow-russia-march-22-2024/999222.md?page=3)