# Terror in Europe **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 24, 2016, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-in-europe/749993 "2016-03-24T00:03:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-in-europe/749993/21 "2016-03-24T08:51:28Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > It is not an OR question. > > The DAESH want to change the dynamic, which now for them is negative. End the air support to their enemies or for you to engage in the Americna Action Movie thinking and send in the “Crusader” troops, which they will find to be a great rallying point and propaganda win. Ah ,so “stay the course” is the best option. ---
**Author:** ![Sampsiceramos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Sampsiceramos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampsiceramos)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-in-europe/749993/22 "2016-03-24T09:07:12Z")
The fact of the matter is that Daesh needs no other excuse than the opportunity to slaughter what they would likely refer to as “infidels”. While there is obviously some sort of larger strategic objective with Daesh’ terror campaign, individual terrorist cells work independently and do not somehow report back to a centralized authority/general staff. They inflict harm on whomever they consider enemies of Daesh’ cause in whichever manner they consider most expedient. Realistically I don’t think there’s a way to entirely prevent Daesh from killing 50-100 people every year if they’re committed to doing so without seriously infringing on civil rights - at least not in the short term. In the long term, I think the issue of radicalized Muslim youth can be fixed, but among other things it requires a willingness to engage in large-scale social projects and the forced dissolution of ghetto communities. A large part of the issue in Europe is that the parents of the generation that is now blowing itself up in airports and subways were never forced to integrate themselves properly into modern European society, and they have to some extent been allowed to create what is for all intents and purposes a parallel society - one that has severe issues with poverty and unemployment to boot. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-in-europe/749993/23 "2016-03-24T09:07:37Z")
> [@UDS](#): > > FWIW, I don’t think the Da’esh campaign is particularly well-thought out. > > But they could be aiming for either or both of two outcomes. (1) Reduce public support for/tolerance of western governments policies with respect to Syria/the Middle East more widely. (2) Increase hostility towards/suspicion of/discrimination against Muslim communities in Western countries. Yes it is both these things. It is their Takfiri ideology that the integration of the muslims into anything other than their vision of the pure islamic society is apostasy, so to them it is a Good Thing in their ideology to motivate an oppression and an alienation. it is of course also a practical thing for them, to gain the disposable foreign youth for their cannon fodder purposes. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 9:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-in-europe/749993/24 "2016-03-24T09:18:44Z")
> [@Sampsiceramos](#): > > A large part of the issue in Europe is that the parents of the generation that is now blowing itself up in airports and subways were never forced to integrate themselves properly into modern European society, and they have to some extent been allowed to create what is for all intents and purposes a parallel society - one that has severe issues with poverty and unemployment to boot. **this is completely the rubbish.** FORCED? Most of these youths are not observant. It is not “forcing” integration, it is the question of addressing the long-documented gross discrimination in the job markets in the France and the Belgium against people with the “wrong names” - that is identifiably non christian names / non european names. This has been documented again and again over the decades, to no real action by the governments, gross racial / ethnic discrimination in the job market that a blind eye is turned to. and then the blame is put on those who suffer from being called “dirty arab” See [BBC NEWS | Europe | French Muslims face job discrimination](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4399748.stm) > [@](#): > > Sadek, 31, has a secondary school education and aspires to something better. But he knows his options are limited: “With a name like mine, I can’t have a sales job.” but many solid statistical surveys done since the 1990s repeat again and again the lesson that to be identifiably non christian leads to active discrimination > **[Home Page](https://news.stanford.edu)** > **[Muslim immigrants have come to expect discrimination in France because of...](https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2013/01/31/muslims-france-north-africa-senegal-discrimination/)** > > There is growing concern in France that Muslim immigrants from North Africa are poorly integrated into French society, often due to discrimination. But are they discriminated against because of the… But no, what is the solution? Oh it is the fault of them to have those names, they’re not integrating! Oh they wear the hidjab, we ban it… but is any action taken about identified job discrimination? No. The French state hides piously behind its slogans. ---
**Author:** ![UDS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecae2f/32.png) [@UDS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UDS)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 9:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-in-europe/749993/25 "2016-03-24T09:21:48Z")
> [@Sampsiceramos](#): > > Realistically I don’t think there’s a way to entirely prevent Daesh from killing 50-100 people every year if they’re committed to doing so without seriously infringing on civil rights - at least not in the short term. In the long term, I think the issue of radicalized Muslim youth can be fixed, but among other things it requires a willingness to engage in large-scale social projects and the forced dissolution of ghetto communities. A large part of the issue in Europe is that the parents of the generation that is now blowing itself up in airports and subways were never forced to integrate themselves properly into modern European society, and they have to some extent been allowed to create what is for all intents and purposes a parallel society - one that has severe issues with poverty and unemployment to boot. This. I’m not sure that I’d be quite as pessimistic as you about the prospects of addressing the problem - I think good police and intelligence work can achieve much - but essentially the condition which allows Da’esh terrorism to flourish in Europe in a way that it doesn’t in, say, the US is the presence, in Europe, of of a significant North African/Middle Eastern underclass that is socially alienated. That’s got to be addressed, and that’s a long-term project. But no amount of boots on the ground in Syria or Iraq can tackle that. It makes no difference at all whether the boots are European or American. There may be good reasons for confronting Da’esh in Syria. But the notion that this will be an effective response to Da’esh terrorism in Europe is not one of them. ---
**Author:** ![UDS](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecae2f/32.png) [@UDS](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UDS)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 9:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-in-europe/749993/26 "2016-03-24T09:24:08Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > **this is completely the rubbish.** > > FORCED? > > Most of these youths are not observant . . . Yes, of course. It’s not Islam which marginalises and alienates this community. But the fact is that they are marginalised and alienated (not least by idiocies like hijab-banning) and that creates fertile ground for extremism and, ultimately, terrorism. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-in-europe/749993/27 "2016-03-24T09:32:43Z")
The solution is to attack the gross job discrimination, a problem that has been identified again and again and again by the academic and the private studies since the early 1990s where to have the non christian name on the application or the CV is to reduce employment chances by very large percentages. the reform of the labor codes is also needed, now they protect the very white labor elite of white men in their 50s+ with near inviolability and the youth struggle to get the long term contract, as the business rationally do not wish to hire CDI, and of course the youth of the 2nd, 3rd generations of immigration with the ‘wrong names’ and the 'wrong faces’suffer the most. ---
**Author:** ![Sampsiceramos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Sampsiceramos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampsiceramos)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-in-europe/749993/28 "2016-03-24T09:34:36Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > **this is completely the rubbish.** > > FORCED? > > Most of these youths are not observant. > > It is not “forcing” integration, it is the question of addressing the long-documented gross discrimination in the job markets in the France and the Belgium against people with the “wrong names” - that is identifiably non christian names / non european names. > > This has been documented again and again over the decades, to no real action by the governments, gross racial / ethnic discrimination in the job market that a blind eye is turned to. and then the blame is put on those who suffer from being called “dirty arab” > > See [BBC NEWS | Europe | French Muslims face job discrimination](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4399748.stm) > > but many solid statistical surveys done since the 1990s repeat again and again the lesson that to be identifiably non christian leads to active discrimination > [Stanford Report](http://news.stanford.edu/news/2010/november/muslim-france-study-112210.html) > [http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2013/01/31/muslims-france-north-africa-senegal-discrimination/](http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2013/01/31/muslims-france-north-africa-senegal-discrimination/) > > But no, what is the solution? Oh it is the fault of them to have those names, they’re not integrating! Oh they wear the hidjab, we ban it… but is any action taken about identified job discrimination? No. The French state hides piously behind its slogans. Forgive me if I came across as implying that European societies were not to a large degree at fault in the matter. I suppose the sentence “allowed to create a parallel society” was unfortunate in its construction - it was never meant to imply that the Muslim minority somehow needed to be culturally assimilated, which is a far cry from integration, nor was it meant to imply that the issues faced by these communities were somehow of their own doing. Essentially, to illustrate my point with an anecdote: In Denmark, we had a large wave of immigrant workers from Turkey throughout the 70s - immigration that was encouraged, mind you, because we needed the cheap manual labour. These immigrants were brought here, and then essentially left to their own designs. No real steps were taken to ensure that they learned the local language (much less their families) and a blind eye was essentially turned to the inevitable and somewhat predictable creation of ghettos. To show for it, we have an entire generation - and soon likely two - of their descendants that are caught between two cultures, do poorly in both school and in terms of entering the workforce, are overrepresented grossly in crime statistics, and who in general do not feel as if they have a rightful place in our modern society. These problems are of our own doing as a society, as are the problems with immigrants in so many other European countries - the disgruntled, radicalized European youth is, to me, symptomatic of a systematic failure to deal adequately and respectfully with the integration of their parents in the first place. In no way was I attempting to point a finger at the minority communities who to a large degree are the victims of decades of wholly incompetent government policymaking and unwillingness to crack down on discrimination. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-in-europe/749993/29 "2016-03-24T09:40:38Z")
It is worth highlighting this as the disgusting victim blaming of the community entire feeds into the dangerous and the ignorant rhetoric > [@](#): > > [Meet Khadija Diouf.](http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2010/11/22/fake-cvs-reveal-discrimination-against-muslims-in-french-job-market/#.VvO0ZPmLT4Y) She is 24 years old, she’s single, she lives in France and she has spent the last three years working in secretarial and accounting jobs. Her surname tells us that she’s descended from Senegalese immigrants, and her first name strongly suggests that she’s Muslim. Hundreds of employers across France will have seen Khadija’s name and none of them would have known the most important thing about her: she doesn’t exist. > > Khadija is one of three fake women invented by Claire Adida from the University of California, San Diego. They are all part of a clever experiment that reveals how the French job market is rife with discrimination against Muslims. Adida found that in at least two sectors, a Muslim candidate is around 2.5 times less likely to get a job interview than a Christian one, with all else being equal. These results were backed up by a large survey, which showed that among second-generation Senegalese immigrants, Muslim households earn far less than Christian equivalents. And of course just this last year yet another study by an independent think tank (the French government only responds by singing the lies of Egalité and how it is blind to difference…) shows [again the active discriminatio](http://www.thelocal.fr/20151009/muslim-men-in-france-see-cv-discrimination-study)n. > [@](#): > > The overall figure for men and women showed Catholics were twice as likely as Muslims to get a callback for a job interview. > > The job application discrimination against Jews was apparent but not as pronounced, with a 15.8-percent chance of landing an interview. > > The study was carried out by Marie-Anne Valfort, a senior lecturer at Sorbonne University in Paris, who sent 6,231 responses to job adverts between 2013 and 2014. > > All of her “candidates” were Lebanese, born in Beirut in 1988 with the last name Haddad. > > But they had different first names depending on the religion they represented: Dov and Esther for Jews, Michel and Nathalie for Catholics, and Mohammed and Samira for Muslims. > > … > > The results were overwhelming: “the results reveal a strong discrimination against Muslims and Jews in France”, the study concluded. > > In the case of Muslims, it is even worse than the discrimination faced by African-Americans compared with whites in the United States. So enough of this ignorant easy hate-supporting discourse about ‘rejecting assimilation.’ ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 9:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-in-europe/749993/30 "2016-03-24T09:44:48Z")
You shouldn’t bring people into your country if you’re just going to hate them. Whose bright idea was it to allow that much immigration from a population the natives don’t like? ---
**Author:** ![Sampsiceramos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Sampsiceramos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampsiceramos)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 9:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-in-europe/749993/31 "2016-03-24T09:52:54Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > You shouldn’t bring people into your country if you’re just going to hate them. Whose bright idea was it to allow that much immigration from a population the natives don’t like? You make the issue simpler than it is. In the case of France and Belgium, the vast majority of immigrants and their descendants hail from the Maghreb and from other former colonies. I don’t pretend to be an expert on issues of French citizenship, but I imagine many were considered French citizens already and as such were not technically immigrants per se. In the case of countries such as Germany and most of Scandinavia, many immigrants were originally encouraged to immigrate in the 70s because, as mentioned, they were needed. Others are war refugees. The real issue isn’t that they were allowed to immigrate in the first place so much as it’s the fact that many countries were simply content to expect that they would integrate well with little real help or attention, and no effort was made to crack down on thinly-veiled xenophobia because that would mean airing our dirty laundry. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-in-europe/749993/32 "2016-03-24T09:56:19Z")
> [@adaher](#): > > You shouldn’t bring people into your country if you’re just going to hate them. Whose bright idea was it to allow that much immigration from a population the natives don’t like? Perhaps you Americans can answer the question for your black fellow citizens (or even answer it to the native americans). ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 10:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-in-europe/749993/33 "2016-03-24T10:00:48Z")
> [@Sampsiceramos](#): > > You make the issue simpler than it is. In the case of France and Belgium, the vast majority of immigrants and their descendants hail from the Maghreb and from other former colonies. I don’t pretend to be an expert on issues of French citizenship, but I imagine many were considered French citizens already and as such were not technically immigrants per se. Subjects. Never citizens, except the Algerian jews in the last days of the 2nd empire in a divide and conquer action. ---
**Author:** ![Sampsiceramos](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Sampsiceramos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampsiceramos)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-in-europe/749993/34 "2016-03-24T10:03:46Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > Subjects. Never citizens, except the Algerian jews in the last days of the 2nd empire in a divide and conquer action. Ah - that does make more sense than full citizenship, I suppose. Out of curiosity, would you happen to know how immigration regulations pertained to French subjects? ---
**Author:** ![Hiker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/3be4f8/32.png) [@Hiker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hiker)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-in-europe/749993/35 "2016-03-24T10:11:40Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > It is worth highlighting this as the disgusting victim blaming of the community entire feeds into the dangerous and the ignorant rhetoric Careful with the term “victim blaming” here - that migh go both ways. After all your point seems to be that the Belgian and French societies - who have become vicims of terror attacks - are essentially to blame for that, because they are disadvantaging immigrants and their descendants at the job market. Now, the discrimination at the job market is real and it is very much a problem. I also agree that it likely contributes to a situation in which extremism can grow. (I do not agree that it is the \*only \*reason for extremism.) But what do you suggest to do about it? After all, the employers who have shown reluctance to hire the fictional Ms. Diouf probably had a reason for that. What reason was that? Just unreflected xenophobia? To an extent, maybe. But certainly not exclusively. To solve the problems we have to address those reasons, and while some of these reasons certainly can be found on the employer’s side others may also lie with the real Ms. Dioufs. Only once we stop the finger pointing and get real about both sides of the coin we will achieve something. ---
**Author:** ![adaher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dec6dc/32.png) [@adaher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/adaher)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-in-europe/749993/36 "2016-03-24T10:25:37Z")
> [@Ramira](#): > > Perhaps you Americans can answer the question for your black fellow citizens (or even answer it to the native americans). Easy. native Americans were already here and we brought African-Americans here as slaves. Our racism problem was created by choices made in the 18th century and before. But we’ve never willingly imported groups that our citizens hated. And as Ramira’s cite pointed out, Muslims face worse discrimination than African-Americans in the US. That sounds like a problem that shouldn’t have been allowed to get to that point. ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 10:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-in-europe/749993/37 "2016-03-24T10:25:45Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > The OP didn’t say it was ONLY religious fanatics, but that it was religious fanatics this time. Which it is. > > I’ve been saying all along that Da-esh is primarily a regional problem, but outside the region it’s much more of a European problem than an American one. The US, under Obama, is only half-heartedly bent on dealing with Da-esh. If the Europeans are used to us taking care of this shit, they are in for a rude awakening. And I say that as someone who is happy to see Obama take such a stance. Da-esh is not much of a threat to the US. What about the US targets around the world don’t forget that one of the rumoured targets could be a cruise liner, how many 1,000’s of Americans on one of those? America is no longer an island and her interests are open to attack just like anyone else ---
**Author:** ![T.M](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ad7895/32.png) [@T.M](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/T.M)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-in-europe/749993/38 "2016-03-24T10:34:21Z")
> [@UDS](#): > > Not necessarily. Islamist suicide bombers frequently aren’t particularly religious - from the 9/11 bombers who drank beer and went to strip clubs, to the Paris attacker who owned and ran a bar. Or, they only become religious after they adhere to an Islamist movement, as a way of identifying with the movement. It’s early days yet, but initial reports suggest that the Brussels bombers were violent criminals long before they took up _political_ violence, or took any great interest in religion. > Europeans are used to the US doing most of the heavy lifting on military adventures but - with more, and more diverse, experience of terrorism - they are also much more aware than I think a lot of Americans are that military adventures are not a terribly effective way of dealing with the problem of terrorism. If the problem is terrorist bombings in European cities, it’s not a problem likely to be alleviated by a military campaign against Da’esh-held territory in Syria. And this doesn’t depend on who runs the military campaign. > > Which in a way means, I realise, I’m agreeing with you. No amount of American firepower can solve this problem for Europe. But, really, there is a limit to the extent to which _any_ American action, political or military, can address this problem, except to the extent that a co-ordinated approach from all the major Western countries is required to address the political conditions which give rise to the problem. It is not American firepower that we need it is your intelligence services that is where the break down in mainland Europe is. To many political castles puffing their chests out causing divisions. In the UK we have learnt from experience and have a dam good team in place ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-in-europe/749993/39 "2016-03-24T10:35:09Z")
> [@Hiker](#): > > Careful with the term “victim blaming” here Careful? No, this is my world, I have no need to be careful. I see it and live it. > [@](#): > > After all your point seems to be that the Belgian and French societies - who have become vicims of terror attacks - are essentially to blame for that, because they are disadvantaging immigrants and their descendants at the job market. **No that was not my point, that is your gross straw man.** My response was to the victim blaming about the supposed fault of the immigration communities in non-integration, assertions often made. The radicals murderous acts bear their own responsibility. But if someone is going to trot out it is the fault of the ethnic community because non-integration they are blaming a victim. > [@](#): > > Now, the discrimination at the job market is real and it is very much a problem. … But what do you suggest to do about it? For the French state to stop hiding behind pious declartions of blindness to its citizens race and religion and pass and enforce the laws and collect the official data to support the court enforcement of the equal access. The France hides behind the excuse of its terrible Vichy era behaviour towards the Jews in pretending this prevents them from these actions. The French job market is highly subject to the state intervention, it is not some Anglosaxon supposed shyness about letting the market work that holds her back from action. It is self-deception and active lying. There is the decades of statistical data (but collected privately because of the pieties of the French state) showing severe discrminatory behaviour across essentially all employer classes. And no action. Not one person of the Non-Catholic French background is not aware of and does not feel this in their daily life. > [@](#): > > After all, the employers who have shown reluctance to hire the fictional Ms. Diouf probably had a reason for that. What reason was that? Just unreflected xenophobia? To an extent, maybe. Maybe. No certainly. It is shown again and again - over DECADES of studies that the identical quality CV of the identical high quality background gets very significantly higher rejection (this is leaving aside the racial discriminaton in the job interview) > [@](#): > > To solve the problems we have to address those reasons, and while some of these reasons certainly can be found on the employer’s side others may also lie with the real Ms. Dioufs. WHAT POSSIBLE DIFFERENCE? Is it simply the Negrès don’t look like the white French? Oh but to give the French Catholic first name, suddenly we get somewhat better response for the same negrèsse… Identical CVs from identical schools. This type of study has been repeated ad nauseum in France for decades, and the results are the same. To have the name that says you are not a catholic French, actively lowers your job chances by 25-50%. > [@](#): > > Only once we stop the finger pointing and get real about both sides of the coin we will achieve something. When people learn something of what they are talking about then maybe they can make valid opinions. ---
**Author:** ![Ramira](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ramira/32/344_2.png) [@Ramira](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ramira)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2016, 10:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-in-europe/749993/40 "2016-03-24T10:42:37Z")
> [@Sampsiceramos](#): > > Ah - that does make more sense than full citizenship, I suppose. Out of curiosity, would you happen to know how immigration regulations pertained to French subjects? There was some kind of easier regime I recall in the 1950s-1960s but I do not know the details. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-in-europe/749993.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terror-in-europe/749993.md?page=3)