# Terrorist leader calls for jihad against US in order to elect Democrats **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 6, 2003, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368 "2003-08-06T17:38:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![MonkeyMensch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@MonkeyMensch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MonkeyMensch)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/81 "2003-08-07T03:23:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Revtim \* > \*\*Oh, I’m so tired of hearing this crap about banning **december** when he makes one his funny little threads. For God’s sake people, this stuff is the spice of a message board. \*\* Mmmmm… Message board spice… ---
**Author:** ![Mona\_Lott](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ee7513/32.png) [@Mona\_Lott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mona_Lott)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/82 "2003-08-07T03:26:30Z")
I hope a moderator or an administrator will address this thread. If december is not banned for this outrageous post he deserves at the least a public spanking by someone in authority here. I love the SDMB. I hate to see it abused by his horrid tactics. I surely wish I were more eloquent. ---
**Author:** ![pantom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/34f0e0/32.png) [@pantom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pantom)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/83 "2003-08-07T03:26:41Z")
This is the first **december** thread I’ve opened since his Dowd one. Truly, he is reaching new lows. But it’s not worth it anymore to deal with this turd. DNFTT. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/84 "2003-08-07T03:33:08Z")
Why are people posting Col’s thoughts from livejournal? I would think that posting a banned person’s excrections by proxy would indeed be frowned upon, as Tomndebb alluded to. ---
**Author:** ![Mojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Mojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mojo)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/85 "2003-08-07T03:42:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by London\_Calling \* > But akin to a Nazi ? > > Yet, on the other hand, I understand what Collounsbury means: the \*apparent \*unblinking adherence to the line, the wholesale acceptance, the desire to see the Palestinians as one monolithic entity - something that encourages the dehumanisation of that group . . . etc., etc. The list goes on and on. He does demonstrate symptoms, imho. Don’t forget subscribing to paranoid propaganda like the belief that Jews control the media. Oh wait- that’s _you_. Fuck you and Collounsbury’s Godwin that you rode in on. **December** , what happens if Lieberman (who you know is a hawkish Dem and Jewish to boot) were elected? It sure as hell wouldn’t be a less “Zionist” White House and from everything he’s said it wouldn’t be a withdrawal from Iraq either. Either you or the Shiekh hasn’t thought this one through, and it sounds to me like both. ---
**Author:** ![CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crankyasanoldman/32/11670_2.png) [@CrankyAsAnOldMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CrankyAsAnOldMan)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/86 "2003-08-07T03:58:55Z")
december, I want to address your point about “disunity.” I think it’s equally probably that “disunity” in the U.S. helps us when it comes to middle eastern nutcases. Let’s turn it around and think about an different example from our end as Americans. Say a country really pisses you off (how about France, for not supporting us in the Iraq efforts). How would you feel about the country of France if 100% of the French populace and leadership put on the same game face and all insisted the U.S was dead wrong? Pretty hostile, hey? Now how would you feel about the country if you knew that some people in France (including some in the government) expressed some dissent? In your shoes, I’d feel considerably less hostile towards France if I knew there were some people within its borders who didn’t buy into the official stance. I can’t say for sure that it softens our enemies’ loathing to know that some Americans disagree with the same U.S. policies they object to. But it’s certainly a possibility. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/87 "2003-08-07T04:04:36Z")
**december** , your OP sickens me. The saddest part is that you obviously think of yourself as patriotic, when in fact I can’t think of a more un-American poster. Despite the disclaimers of supporting free speech, your constant attempts to villify criticism of the current administration are completely antithetical to a free society. Go find a nice right-wing totalitarian state to live in and stop trying to ruin this one, asshole. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/88 "2003-08-07T04:10:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by E72521 \* > The OP is an insult to this board. To assert that democrats want our brave men and women to be killed for political gain is preposterous and an insult of the worst kind. It sure would be. However, I never made that assertion. Please re-read the OP. **London\_Calling** , it’s strange to see **Collounsbury’s** comments from beyond the grave, as it were. I once told him that I didn’t think he was an anti-semite. But, now you have chosen to quote him from another source: “I believe december is the kind of person who makes genocide possible.” Wow! It’s one thing to viciously insult me even wishing for my death. That’s probably the best you can do, since you lack sound arguments. But, it’s another thing to viciously insult me by apparently alluding to my Jewish heritage, and even hinting that the Holocaust might have had some justification. I don’t want to believe you guys are anti-semites, but you’re giving a good imitation. **CuriousCanuck** , I appreciate the TR quote, which supports my point that any Democratic comments are protected free speech. **elucidator** , some right-wing talk show hosts have called people like you traitors, but I made it clear in the OP that I do not consider any American a traitor for expressing his opinion. You and I agree that the accusations you mentioned are incorrect and inappropriate. **Mojo** , interesting point. I think Lieberman has been responsible. Like you, I doubt that Sheik Nasrallah would consider Lieberman a less “Zionist” leader than Bush, Rumsfeld, and Rice. **Avenger** , you assert that Sheik Nasrallah didn’t claim that a Democratic victory would lead to American troops being withdrawn from Iraq. However, the quote merely shows that he didn’t promise that outcome _within a year._ I think Nasrallah’s implication is that he did expect that Bush’s electoral defeat to lead eventually to a withdrawal of American troops from Iraq. However, I grant you that the article didn’t explicitly say that. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/89 "2003-08-07T04:34:08Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by december_ > It’s one thing to viciously insult me even wishing for my death. That’s probably the best you can do, since you lack sound arguments. But, it’s another thing to viciously insult me by apparently alluding to my Jewish heritage, and even hinting that the Holocaust might have had some justification. I don’t want to believe you guys are anti-semites, but you’re giving a good imitation. Here we have a textbook perfect example of the way **december** ’s mind, or at least what passes for it, works. So unable is he to admit the slightest possibility that his views could be in any way wrong, he assumes that a comparison between his views and those of Nazi Germany must be a _de facto_ endorsement of Nazism. Because his views can’t possibly be anything other than 100% correct, saying his views are like those of the Nazis must be saying that the Nazis, too, are 100% correct. ---
**Author:** ![Nightime](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e9c0ed/32.png) [@Nightime](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nightime)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/90 "2003-08-07T04:42:20Z")
Hey… wait a second… The terrorist leader wants a way to draw more muslims into his jihad. Bush provides this way, thus allowing terrorism to flourish and many innocent people to be killed. Bush wants a way to attack the democrats as traitors, without actually saying it. Terrorist leader provides this way, thus allowing Bush to flourish and many innocent people to be killed. Is it possible that the terrorists are actually in league with Bush? Is december in fact one of their agents? It’s almost like these things are scripted: Terrorist: “We’ll get you!” Bush: “Bring it ON!” Both: “OH yeahhh” _sounds of innocent people being slaughtered_ Both: “HAHAHAHHAH” Both: “Let’s blame the democrats for this somehow so we can keep our little arrangement.” ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/91 "2003-08-07T04:48:55Z")
> [@](#): > > and even hinting that the Holocaust might have had some justification. No such thing was said and your attempt to twist it is absurd. The point made (correctly or not) was that your personality is the sort that made the Holocaust possible, accepting as true every bit of administration propaganda and claiming that all who voice opposition are giving comfort to the enemy. There is nothing in that to claim that the Holocaust was justified. ---
**Author:** ![december](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/838e76/32.png) [@december](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/december)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/92 "2003-08-07T04:59:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tomndebb \* > \*\*No such thing was said and your attempt to twist it is absurd. The point made (correctly or not) was that your personality is the sort that made the Holocaust possible, accepting as true every bit of administration propaganda and claiming that all who voice opposition are giving comfort to the enemy. There is nothing in that to claim that the Holocaust was justified. \*\* It was striking for them to bring the Holocaust into the discussion if all they wanted to do was insult me personally. ISTM that if they believe that my words would justify genocide against the Jews, they may be implying that some other Jews were justifiably slaughtered as well. Clarence Thomas has been harshly vilified over the years. Fortunately nobody has he is the kind of person who made lynching possible. Anyone who did say that would be branded as a racist, and justifiably so. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/93 "2003-08-07T05:16:15Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by december_ > It was striking for them to bring the Holocaust into the discussion if all they wanted to do was insult me personally. ISTM that if they believe that my words would justify genocide against the Jews, they may be implying that some other Jews were justifiably slaughtered as well. He didn’t say your words justified killing Jews. He said that, if you’d been a gentile in Nazi Germany, you’d have been the sort of person who’d keep his head down and not question authority while said authority was murdering millions of innocent people. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 5:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/94 "2003-08-07T05:41:59Z")
> [@](#): > > ISTM that if they believe that my words would justify genocide against the Jews, they may be implying that some other Jews were justifiably slaughtered as well. And you continue to deliberately distort what was said. No one justified the Holocaust. He said that your personality was the sort that permitted it. ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/95 "2003-08-07T06:09:23Z")
And what sort of personality is that, **tomndebb**? I’m curious. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/96 "2003-08-07T06:28:25Z")
> [@](#): > > And what sort of personality is that, **tomndebb**? I’m curious You’ll have to ask **Coll**. I am not about to pursue an investigation into **december** ’s personality or motives. I simply would prefer that he not twist and distort every reference to which he alludes into an unrecognizable strawman. His dishonesty in this sort of exchange is simply too blatant to be left unchallenged. Whatever **Coll** said should not (in my opinion) have been reported here. Since it was, **december** can either ignore it or refute it. (I think any refutation should have been taken back to **Coll** ’s Live Journal, but either refuting or ignoring, either here or there, would have evoked no response from me.) Instead, he has simply lied about what **Coll** said. If **december** chooses to engage off-board commentary, which is his prerogative, then he should have the decency to do it honestly. ---
**Author:** ![Avenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9de0a6/32.png) [@Avenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avenger)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/97 "2003-08-07T06:33:57Z")
Read the link to Collunsbury’s words. It tells you. ---
**Author:** ![carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrot)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/98 "2003-08-07T06:39:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > **That’s probably the best you can do, since you lack sound arguments.** I just would like to say that this is one of the most beautifully ironic phrases I’ve ever read on this board. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/99 "2003-08-07T06:45:02Z")
Don’t you all see what’s going on here? **december** is an internet masochist. This is the cyberspace equivalent of being pummelled. H can’t go a week without getting his ass beat in the pit. Admit it, **december**. You’re enjoying this. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/100 "2003-08-07T07:02:57Z")
> [@](#): > > That’s probably the best you can do, since you lack sound arguments. You may wish to read this thread after first removing your head from your own rectum (or whichever pro-war politician is nearest you). I think the difference in reading comprehension you would experience would be rather striking. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368.md?page=6)