# Terrorist leader calls for jihad against US in order to elect Democrats **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 6, 2003, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368 "2003-08-06T17:38:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2003, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/161 "2003-08-07T22:15:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by december \* > I saw a survey showing that the American public overwhelmingly doesn’t trust the Democrats to protect them from terror as much as they trust the Republicans. Republican porn. > [@](#): > > This issue helped the Reps to an unexpected victory in the 2002 election, and it probably will still be potent in 2004. I would hazard a guess taht at least 5% of **december** ’s posts posit that whatver he’s blithering about will cause the Democrats to lose an election. Whether it’s the Judiciary Committee’s questioning of Miguel Estrada, American soldiers getting car-bombed in Iraq, a factual error on the NY Times op-ed page, or an increase in solar flares, it’s all going to cost the Dems in the next election. Mark his words and despair, oh ye of little faith in Saint George. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2003, 4:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/162 "2003-08-08T04:52:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Blalron \* > December, I DARE you to respond to elf6c. If you want to prove that you have any balls or personal integrity AT ALL and aren’t just an obtuse one sided political hack. I thought the doubt had been removed entirely from that issue long ago… ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2003, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/163 "2003-08-08T04:59:43Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by spooje \* > \*\*Don’t you all see what’s going on here? > > **december** is an internet masochist. This is the cyberspace equivalent of being pummelled. H can’t go a week without getting his ass beat in the pit. > > Admit it, **december**. You’re enjoying this. \*\* Enjoying it? I’ll bet he’s creaming his keyboard as I type this! God, **december** , why don’t you just shut up and quit whinging? “They’re picking on me because I’m Jewish!” No, we’re calling you out because you’re a fucktard. There’s a big difference. ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2003, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/164 "2003-08-08T05:11:22Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by tomndebb_ > **I do have a problem with him using lies to defend himself. Since you are supporting him in his lying, I was curious as to whether you embraced the lie or simply failed to read for comprehension. The statement that december has twice repeated was not made.** I just figured you jumped down his throat for taking the attack on his character the wrong way, when it _clearly_ meant something else: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tomndebb \* > \*\*No such thing was said and your attempt to twist it is absurd. The point made (correctly or not) was that your personality is the sort that made the Holocaust possible, accepting as true every bit of administration propaganda and claiming that all who voice opposition are giving comfort to the enemy. There is nothing in that to claim that the Holocaust was justified. \*\* …because he’s sure to recognize himself as “accepting every bit of propaganda” and “claiming all who voice opposition” are traitors and recognize the similarities, right? I don’t think so. Saying that this is december’s lie is a real stretch, no one has insisted further that it means Mr. Lounsbury is justifying the Holocaust. It simply means Mr. Lounsbury is another kind of jerk entirely when he says that _other_ people would have supported the Holocaust. And regardless of which point he or anyone else tries to make with this, in the end, it’s useless raving bullshit. I hope that clears it up. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2003, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/165 "2003-08-08T05:46:10Z")
> [@](#): > > Saying that this is december’s lie is a real stretch, no one has insisted further that it means Mr. Lounsbury is justifying the Holocaust. It is not a stretch. It is a statement of fact. However much of a jerk one wishes to perceive **Collounsbury** , he never made the claim that the Holocaust was _justified_: the lie that **december** repeated twice. > [@](#): > > And regardless of which point he or anyone else tries to make with this, in the end, it’s useless raving bullshit. Perhaps. It is clearly the impression that **december** has left with **Coll** and, while I would agree that **december** has the right to defend himself from that charge if he can, it is not appropriate to simply repeat other lies instead of actually defending against the accusation that was made. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2003, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/166 "2003-08-08T06:17:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Guinastasia \* > God, **december** , why don’t you just shut up and quit whinging? “They’re picking on me because I’m Jewish!” > > No, we’re calling you out because you’re a fucktard. There’s a big difference. Indeed. I notice a definite lack in **MsRobyn** and **Laurange** pittings (both Jewish). To say that **december** is pitted for being Jewish strikes me as being the sort of opinion one could only arrive at through willful self-delusion or outright lying. The notion that disagreeing with/attacking **december** implies some anti-semitism is … well, another beast entirely. Even the staunchest **december** apologists would have a difficult time justifying that one. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Kumquat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gary\_Kumquat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Kumquat)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2003, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/167 "2003-08-08T11:22:30Z")
What I really like about you **Beagle** , is that you’re so fucking stupid it’s not even an effort to point out your fucking idiocy. You’re kind enough to contradict yourself in consecutive postings. Compare and contrast > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Beagle \*Did I say _all_ Europeans are anti-Semites? Fuck, no. with > [@](#): > > It’s not like anyone ever murdered the Jews by the millions. Wait, oh yeah, it was the Europeans. Nah, never called europeans anti-semites there, did you. “The Europeans”. If you can’t fucking understand something, how about not saying it in the first place you cunt. Let me demonstrate. If I say “the family of Beagle are all sub-idiotic fucks who spout bullshit” have I insulted you, some of your family, or all of them? I mean I didn’t say all, did I? > [@](#): > > \*\*Stupid fucking Euro wankers. Dish it out, but can’t take it. \*\* Oh fuck off you tedious wank. Dish out what? Can’t take what? Are you in a fucking playground or something. Fuck off and get over your stupid fucking preconceptions about europeans. Ah who am I kidding. You’re just another shitheaded chump who can sweepingly label a continent of people, god knows how many hundreds of millions of different race and creed, as bigoted anti-semites. There’s not a single thing I could say that’s more insulting about you than your own posts. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2003, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/168 "2003-08-08T13:14:37Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by grienspace \* > \*\*I’ll grant you this. **december** is a troll. His position in this OP makes him out as a jerk. I’m sure that he get’s his validation as a human being from outside sources who most likely convulse in apoplectic glee as he torments liberal minded people. He’s become a blight on this message board, and I won’t cry if he goes. \*\* Regardless of my own personal feelings on the matter (and my amazement at **december** ’s continuing presence on this message board), I seem to recall that the mods have very _particular_ views about the use of the T-word with regard to other posters. You may wish to eschew its usage in future. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2003, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368/169 "2003-08-08T19:35:21Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mtgman \* > The absolute saddest part about this whole thread is in this quote. That a human being could have lived through the experience of having opposed a war and then turn around and accuse others of aiding the enemy for doing the same thing he once did. To fail to learn from the life experience of having been on the other side of the fence that the motives of the war protestors aren’t geared towards aiding the enemy. To have lived through a situation where there were many motives and viewpoints on the issue and to have held and acted on some of them yourself and then to turn into such an us-versus-them idealogue. Why is this a surprise? **december** is a loyal conservative Republican, and one of the fundamental aspects of conservatism is “look out for number one” – otherwise known as “it’s only wrong when _other people_ do it.” I suspect the only reason **december** opposed the war in Vietnam was because he stood a good chance of getting drafted into it; if he could have gotten a safe 'n cozy non-combat position in the 'States (like, say, the Texas Air National Guard), he’d gladly smear the anti-Vietnam protesters as Communist sympathizers. > [@](#): > > You’ve lost something, which is sad. Or you’ve intentionally thrown it away, which is worse. TOo lazy to dig up the link, but don’t you remember the other thread in the Pit? “Conservatism is a mental illness.” 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/terrorist-leader-calls-for-jihad-against-us-in-order-to-elect-democrats/193368.md?page=8)