# Tesla Cybertruck **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 23, 2019, 10:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tesla-cybertruck/843866 "2019-11-23T10:32:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 42
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tesla-cybertruck/843866/821 "2024-03-18T02:00:32Z")
> [@scabpicker](#): > > So even though I think the Rivian is prettier, the Cybertruck might actually waste less of its energy pushing air. Ref my earlier post I spent a bunch of today imbibing Cybertruck. Rivians are almost as common as Toyota Tundras around here so I’ve seen a lot of those recently too. IMO (and YMMV) the Rivian nose & headlights is one of the ugliest designs ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public. As the old saying had it: “If that was my dog I’d shave its ass and teach it to walk backwards.” The CT, at least from the front is clearly the better-looking vehicle. And with a smaller frontal area the CT is _probably_ the more aero-efficient. I say “probably” only because I know just enough aero to know that low speed drag (and \<100 knots = low speed) depends on many factors, with front area being but one. I suspect the CT has a greater wetted area, which matters more than naive intuition might suggest. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tesla-cybertruck/843866/822 "2024-03-18T02:05:31Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > IMO (and YMMV) the Rivian nose & headlights is one of the ugliest designs ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public. Hehehe, but I loved it’s front at first sight. The Cybertruck just looks lazy from a design perspective. Either way, I’m very unlikely to buy either of them, or a F150. I’ve owned several trucks in the past, don’t need or even remotely want to now. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tesla-cybertruck/843866/823 "2024-03-18T05:39:21Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > I say “probably” only because I know just enough aero to know that low speed drag (and \<100 knots = low speed) depends on many factors, with front area being but one. I suspect the CT has a greater wetted area, which matters more than naive intuition might suggest. Aero under the vehicle is important, and lifted trucks are at a disadvantage there. The Cybertruck can get pretty low, as can the Rivian. The aero at the transition from the roof to the bed is interesting, Sharp creases are ususally not good for drag, but it might be better than the abrupt cutoff of roof to bed in a traditional pickup. The Tonneau cover might help that a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tesla-cybertruck/843866/824 "2024-03-18T14:53:23Z")
Business advertising wrap seen in the wild. “Cold cuts for a hot planet.” > **[Cooper Lund (@cooperlund.bsky.social)](https://bsky.app/profile/cooperlund.bsky.social/post/3knxzbbxao22g)** > > Someone finally figured out how to make a Cybertruck not rust ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tesla-cybertruck/843866/825 "2024-03-18T20:26:08Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > The aero at the transition from the roof to the bed is interesting, Sharp creases are ususally not good for drag, but it might be better than the abrupt cutoff of roof to bed in a traditional pickup. The Tonneau cover might help that a lot. no specialist here, but I always understood the major part of aerodynamics is on the rear of a vehicle … (that’s where all the swirls form) > [@LSLGuy](#): > > IMO (and YMMV) the Rivian nose & headlights is one of the ugliest designs ever perpetrated on an unsuspecting public. the italians like a word with you … [![](https://images1.autocasion.com/actualidad/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Fiat-Multipla-caracteristicas-curiosidades-1.jpeg) ](https://images1.autocasion.com/actualidad/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Fiat-Multipla-caracteristicas-curiosidades-1.jpeg) ps: my sister owned one … and it was a great car!!! … 6 seats - a real space wonder … BUT … ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tesla-cybertruck/843866/826 "2024-03-19T00:21:50Z")
Yep. The Fiat Multipla is one of the ugliest cars ever made. It’s so ugly you might think it was intentional. It’s got a vaguely insectoid look to it. Gah. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tesla-cybertruck/843866/827 "2024-03-19T01:46:34Z")
If you put some bug feeler/antenna thingies out the top that waved madly like roaches do, people would have run screaming the other way. But the Rivian “face” is still uglier. It looks like a mindless android hell bent on “serving” us in a cheerful voice until it kills us with the hidden laser beam. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tesla-cybertruck/843866/828 "2024-03-19T06:02:10Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Yep. The Fiat Multipla is one of the ugliest cars ever made. It’s so ugly you might think it was intentional. I’m sure it was, which is why I love it. It’s like a character from a John Waters film - ugly, and proud of it. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tesla-cybertruck/843866/829 "2024-03-19T17:57:09Z")
As I’ve posted before, I believe “multi” must be Italian for “ugly”. Here is the Ducati Multistrada: [![](https://www.devittinsurance.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Multistrada_006.jpg) ](https://www.devittinsurance.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Multistrada_006.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tesla-cybertruck/843866/830 "2024-03-19T18:07:17Z")
I just barfed in my mouth. ETA — if the Fiat Multipla could take a crap, its turds would look like the Ducati Multistrada. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tesla-cybertruck/843866/831 "2024-03-20T03:14:42Z")
Hehehe, I like them both, but I’m ummm…adventurous with design. ETA: I mean they’re not pretty, but you won’t soon forget you looked at them. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tesla-cybertruck/843866/832 "2024-03-20T03:39:54Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > It depends on how much heat you need to heat that tent. Let’s say a 500W heater would keep things toasty in there. 500W for 10 hours per day is 5kW. The Cybertruck battery is 123 kWh, so you could heat the tent for 20 nights. > > In terms of mileage lost, the Cybertruck goes about 2 miles per kWh, so a night of heating your tent would reduce the range by about 10 miles. > > In other words, a 500W heater will reduce range by about a mile for every hour it is used. Based on my experience once trying to warm the interior of a small car with an ordinary portable space heater of around 1500 watts on a cool winter day, I think you’re greatly underestimating the heat requirement unless the outdoor temperature is quite mild or that tent is **really** well insulated, which I doubt. You should probably at least triple that number. An ordinary room is much bigger than that tent, of course, but also much better insulated. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tesla-cybertruck/843866/833 "2024-03-20T03:45:03Z")
I guess it depends on how warm you want it. You are also in a sleeping bag. But sure, if it’s 1500W that’s what it is. I doubt anyone would want to be living in that tent for more than a few days anyway. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tesla-cybertruck/843866/834 "2024-03-20T10:55:45Z")
Sorry, a bit off the subject, but why does that Ducati _street_ bike need that much suspension travel for the rear wheel??? I mean you aren’t gonna compete in a motocross on that thing. You might take it down a gravel road is about it. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 11:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tesla-cybertruck/843866/835 "2024-03-20T11:03:37Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > If you put some bug feeler/antenna thingies out the top that waved madly like roaches do, people would have run screaming the other way. maybe there was a niche that the italians could have carved out for themselves: [![](https://arizonajourney.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/AZJourney-Truly-Nolen-mouse-car-horizontal.jpeg) ](https://arizonajourney.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/AZJourney-Truly-Nolen-mouse-car-horizontal.jpeg) > [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Yep. The Fiat Multipla is one of the ugliest cars ever made. It’s so ugly you might think it was intentional. I have the feeling that they wanted to do something radical, maybe a “re-think the concept of a car” (like that stuff ever worked for anybody) … but then didn’t have the courage to follow through completely (like Musk did)… and it seems, car-design - that’s one of those “_if you wanna jump over the creek you need to do it completely, aiming for 80% will result in instant failure_” kind of things. ---
**Author:** ![Al128](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/al128/32/16541_2.png) [@Al128](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Al128)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tesla-cybertruck/843866/836 "2024-03-20T11:06:17Z")
> [@wguy123](#): > > As I’ve posted before, I believe “multi” must be Italian for “ugly”. Here is the Ducati Multistrada: > > ([https://www.devittinsurance.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Multistrada\_006.jpg](https://www.devittinsurance.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Multistrada_006.jpg)) I am no longer into bikes, but did that bike really come with a turbocharger? … sure enough looks like one … (assuming its not a hamsterwheel) ---
**Author:** ![Pork\_Rind](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pork_rind/32/111_2.png) [@Pork\_Rind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pork_Rind)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tesla-cybertruck/843866/837 "2024-03-20T14:02:40Z")
No forced induction there. That’s the valve cover. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tesla-cybertruck/843866/838 "2024-03-20T14:30:09Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > I have the feeling that they wanted to do something radical, maybe a “re-think the concept of a car” (like that stuff ever worked for anybody) … but then didn’t have the courage to follow through completely (like Musk did)… So the Fiat Multipla folks only achieved “This is really ugly”, while Elmo followed through all the way to “My God, why on earth would anyone make this thing?” I agree. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tesla-cybertruck/843866/839 "2024-03-20T16:58:01Z")
> [@Al128](#): > > maybe there was a niche that the italians could have carved out for themselves: I always enjoyed seeing the Truly Nolen cars. Often VWs, but many other compact cars were/ are used. The base of the ears is spring loaded and at highway speed they partly lay back against the roof. Like a threatening cat, which is a nice juxtaposition for a mouse. Anyhow, at some speeds you’d sometimes see the car zipping down the highway with the ears flapping 180 degrees out of phase with each other. Looked really silly. Aerodynamics can be weird. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tesla-cybertruck/843866/840 "2024-03-20T19:03:37Z")
> [@Bullitt](#): > > ETA — if the Fiat Multipla could take a crap, its turds would look like the Ducati Multistrada. This is exactly what I thought. They both have similar “lines” assuming you can call bulbous blobs “lines”. > [@enipla](#): > > Sorry, a bit off the subject, but why does that Ducati _street_ bike need that much suspension travel for the rear wheel??? Search for images of any modern supersport (Yamaha R1, Suzuki GSX-R1000, etc) and you’ll notice a similar amount of clearance/stance. Those bikes aren’t being taken off any sweet jumps either 🙂 I’ve never sat on a Multistrada, but I would guess it is a firmer rear suspension that doesn’t squat down easily like on a dirt bike/dual sport (my Suzuki DR650 has a lot of clearance, but when I sit on it it squats down quite a bit as it is a soft suspension). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tesla-cybertruck/843866.md?page=41) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/tesla-cybertruck/843866.md?page=43)