# Test, Chess board

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/test-chess-board/708269>\
**Category:** About This Message Board\
**Created:** [December 27, 2014, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/test-chess-board/708269 "2014-12-27T05:42:35Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\
**Post date:** [December 30, 2014, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/test-chess-board/708269/41 "2014-12-30T23:18:49Z")

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More tests:

1 ║♜♞♝♛♚♝♞♜  
2 ║:chess\_pawn:♟♟♟♟♟♟♟  
3 ║⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊  
4 ║⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊   
5 ║⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊  
6 ║⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊   
7 ║♙♙♙♙♙♙♙♙  
8 ║♖♘♗♕♔♗♘♖

\_\_.\_a\_b\_c\_d\_e\_f\_g\_h

1 ║♜♞♝♛♚♝♞♜  
2 ║:chess\_pawn:♟♟♟♟♟♟♟  
3 ║⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊  
4 ║⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊   
5 ║⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊  
6 ║⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊   
7 ║♙♙♙♙♙♙♙♙  
8 ║♖♘♗♕♔♗♘♖

[FONT=“Fixedsys”]\_\_\_\_a\_b\_c\_d\_e\_f\_g\_h[/FONT]

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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\
**Post date:** [December 30, 2014, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/test-chess-board/708269/42 "2014-12-30T23:33:08Z")

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Now with some pieces in:

1 ║♜♞♝♛♚♝♞♜  
2 ║:chess\_pawn:♟♟♟⚊:chess\_pawn:♟♟  
3 ║⚊⚊⚊⚊♟⚊⚊⚊  
4 ║⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊  
5 ║⚊⚊♙⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊  
6 ║⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊♘⚊⚊  
7 ║♙♙⚊♙♙♙♙♙  
8 ║♖♘♗♕♔♗⚊♖

\_\_.\_a\_b\_c\_d\_e\_f\_g\_h

1 ║♜♞♝♛♚♝♞♜  
2 ║:chess\_pawn:♟♟♟⚊:chess\_pawn:♟♟  
3 ║⚊⚊⚊⚊♟⚊⚊⚊  
4 ║⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊  
5 ║⚊⚊♙⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊  
6 ║⚊⚊⚊⚊⚊♘⚊⚊  
7 ║♙♙⚊♙♙♙♙♙  
8 ║♖♘♗♕♔♗⚊♖

[FONT=“Fixedsys”]\_\_\_\_a\_b\_c\_d\_e\_f\_g\_h[/FONT]

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**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/test-chess-board/708269/43 "2014-12-31T00:01:55Z")

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**Tabby\_Cat** ’s shogi pieces are much wider than chess pieces, here. And **GIGObuster** ’s recent attempts are just fine for the board itself, but the column letters are way too wide (maybe try them without the underscores between them?).

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**Author:** ![Charlie\_Wayne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/4bbf92/32.png) [@Charlie\_Wayne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Wayne)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/test-chess-board/708269/44 "2014-12-31T00:04:51Z")

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GIGObuster,

Several of those tests look very good to me. I wonder whether you have seen or heard anything about doing something similar for playing cards? Specifically, I’m thinking about doing something for the game of Bridge.

It is so much more work to use a graphics based approach to representing a Bridge game. It would be so much easier if people could use ASCII characters to represent individual playing cards.

If those cards could also be produced using colors - Red for Hearts and Diamonds - Black for Spades and Clubs, many current systems could be greatly simplified.

It’s just a thought. But I’m sure many people would love to know if such a thing could be possible.

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**Author:** ![davidm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidm/32/225_2.png) [@davidm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davidm)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/test-chess-board/708269/45 "2014-12-31T00:06:57Z")

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> [@rowrrbazzle](#):
>
> Win 7, Firefox 34.0.5. In the OP, none of the examples is correctly aligned.
> 
> Quartz’s post contains a perfectly chessboard.

Ditto.

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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/test-chess-board/708269/46 "2014-12-31T00:36:58Z")

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Based on feed back, we are going back to Quartz’ example and doing some tweaks:

FixedSys font with one single space separating chess pieces and lines, letters with Courier New

8 ║♜ ♞ ♝ ♛ ♚ ♝ ♞ ♜  
7 ║:chess\_pawn: ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟  
6 ║⚊ ⚊ ⚊ ⚊ ⚊ ⚊ ⚊ ⚊  
5 ║⚊ ⚊ ⚊ ⚊ ⚊ ⚊ ⚊ ⚊  
4 ║⚊ ⚊ ⚊ ⚊ ⚊ ⚊ ⚊ ⚊  
3 ║⚊ ⚊ ♘ ⚊ ⚊ ⚊ ⚊ ⚊  
2 ║♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙  
1 ║♖ ⚊ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖  
[font=“Courier New”]\>\> a b c d e f g h  
[/FONT]  
On edit: this looks great on Firefox in Linux, but off in Android Opera. Lines do not show up.

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**Author:** ![Tabby\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tabby\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tabby_Cat)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/test-chess-board/708269/47 "2014-12-31T00:54:18Z")

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Off in Chrome, too. And for some odd reason, the columns between lines 1 and 2 are not aligned. That should never be the case?

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**Author:** ![Aquadementia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aquadementia/32/555_2.png) [@Aquadementia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aquadementia)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/test-chess-board/708269/48 "2014-12-31T01:07:32Z")

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😕 🆒 :rolleyes: :dubious: :o :rolleyes: 🆒 😕  
🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂  
[O][O][O][O][O][O][O][O]  
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[O][O][O][O][O][O][O][O]  
[O][O] 🆒[O][O][O][O][O]  
🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂  
😕 [O] :rolleyes: :dubious: :o :rolleyes: 🆒 😕

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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/test-chess-board/708269/49 "2014-12-31T01:07:41Z")

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FixedSys font with one single space separating chess pieces and boxes, letters with Courier New

8 ║♜ ♞ ♝ ♛ ♚ ♝ ♞ ♜  
7 ║:chess\_pawn: ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟  
6 ║❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑  
5 ║❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑  
4 ║❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑  
3 ║❑ ❑ ♘ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑  
2 ║♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙  
1 ║♖ ❑ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖  
\>\> a b c d e f g h

Hey, those boxes are almost aligned in Android! So far the best.

And: Bad **Aquadementia**! Bad **Aquadementia**! No Castle for you! 😉

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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/test-chess-board/708269/50 "2014-12-31T01:17:07Z")

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FixedSys font with one single space separating chess pieces and boxes, on the previous one the letters were not resized, again with Courier New:

8 ║♜ ♞ ♝ ♛ ♚ ♝ ♞ ♜  
7 ║:chess\_pawn: ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟  
6 ║❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑  
5 ║❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑  
4 ║❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑  
3 ║❑ ❑ ♘ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑  
2 ║♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙  
1 ║♖ ❑ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖  
\>\> a b c d e f g h

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**Author:** ![Aquadementia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aquadementia/32/555_2.png) [@Aquadementia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aquadementia)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/test-chess-board/708269/51 "2014-12-31T01:17:19Z")

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I know,I know. I had the king and queen mixed-up. I feel so king.

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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/test-chess-board/708269/52 "2014-12-31T01:41:29Z")

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Using the best example that almost works for Firefox and Android: FixedSys font with one single space separating chess pieces and boxes, Courier New for letters:

8 ║♜ ♞ ♝ ♛ ♚ ♝ ♞ ♜  
7 ║:chess\_pawn: ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟  
6 ║❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑  
5 ║❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑  
4 ║❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑  
3 ║❑ ❑ ♘ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑  
2 ║♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙  
1 ║♖ ❑ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖  
\>\> a b c d e f g h  
Now with just Courier New:

8 ║♜ ♞ ♝ ♛ ♚ ♝ ♞ ♜  
7 ║:chess\_pawn: ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟  
6 ║❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑  
5 ║❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑  
4 ║❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑  
3 ║❑ ❑ ♘ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑  
2 ║♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙  
1 ║♖ ❑ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖  
\>\> a b c d e f g h

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**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/test-chess-board/708269/53 "2014-12-31T01:43:10Z")

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The pure Courier New one looks perfect to me, aside from possibly being a bit over-large.

What’s wrong with a Fixedsys board using Fixedsys column letters?

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**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/test-chess-board/708269/54 "2014-12-31T01:44:13Z")

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No problem with the boxes on Android or Linux. Still nothing works right with the letters, though.

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**Author:** ![John\_DiFool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_difool/32/19543_2.png) [@John\_DiFool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_DiFool)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/test-chess-board/708269/55 "2014-12-31T01:47:04Z")

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**Gigo** , 41, 42, & 46 all have those annoying boxes with numbers and letters in them for me (“26/8a”)…

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**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/test-chess-board/708269/56 "2014-12-31T01:48:28Z")

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> [@Chronos](#):
>
> EDIT: OK, that’s a little closer, but still not right. Is Garamonde a fixed-width font? I don’t think it’s even worth bothering to try without a fixed-width font.

The problem is that there is no standard fixed-width font that implements the chess graphics. The only reason the fixed-width fonts work at all is due to font substitution.

Fortunately, all the chess characters are the same width in pretty much every font. If they can find a space character that is also the same width, that would be enough to show proper chess boards.

I honestly think the letters are superfluous. They’re nice, but we all know how to count from A to H.

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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/test-chess-board/708269/57 "2014-12-31T01:51:15Z")

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> [@John\_DiFool](#):
>
> **Gigo** , 41, 42, & 46 all have those annoying boxes with numbers and letters in them for me (“26/8a”)…

Yes, in android the lines do not appear either, hence the boxes now; they do show up in Android and seem to have the same size as the chess pieces, still the letters are a pain to make them work but I think we are getting closer.

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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/test-chess-board/708269/58 "2014-12-31T02:10:59Z")

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In the first example of post Number 52 the letters look perfect in Firefox linux and Android, but not in Chrome. Still off.

Courier new, size 4; letters in fixedsys:

8 ║♜ ♞ ♝ ♛ ♚ ♝ ♞ ♜  
7 ║:chess\_pawn: ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟  
6 ║❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑  
5 ║❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑  
4 ║❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑  
3 ║❑ ❑ ♘ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑  
2 ║♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙  
1 ║♖ ❑ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖  
\>\> \_a \_b \_c \_d \_e \_f \_g \_h

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**Author:** ![Tabby\_Cat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tabby\_Cat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tabby_Cat)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/test-chess-board/708269/59 "2014-12-31T02:12:38Z")

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All of the recent ones look absolutely terrible in Chrome, though.

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**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\
**Post date:** [December 31, 2014, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/test-chess-board/708269/60 "2014-12-31T02:18:46Z")

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FixedSys font with one single space separating chess pieces and boxes still looks better in Firefox and Chrome in Linux, with Courier New for the letters:

8 ║♜ ♞ ♝ ♛ ♚ ♝ ♞ ♜  
7 ║:chess\_pawn: ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟  
6 ║❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑  
5 ║❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑  
4 ║❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑  
3 ║❑ ❑ ♘ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑  
2 ║♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙  
1 ║♖ ❑ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖  
\>\> a b c d e f g h  
Checking if code makes it better:

```auto

8 ║♜ ♞ ♝ ♛ ♚ ♝ ♞ ♜
7 ║♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟ ♟
6 ║❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑
5 ║❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑
4 ║❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑
3 ║❑ ❑ ♘ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑ ❑
2 ║♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙ ♙
1 ║♖ ❑ ♗ ♕ ♔ ♗ ♘ ♖
>> a b c d e f g h

```

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