# Testing Greek font capabilities

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/testing-greek-font-capabilities/239720>\
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**Created:** [April 13, 2004, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/testing-greek-font-capabilities/239720 "2004-04-13T03:25:32Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 12\
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**Author:** ![ragerdude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d07c76/32.png) [@ragerdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ragerdude)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/testing-greek-font-capabilities/239720/1 "2004-04-13T03:25:32Z")

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Times New Roman: εν αρχη ην ο λογος

Arial: εν αρχη ην ο λογος

Trebuchet MS: εν αρχη ην ο λογος

Symbol: en arch hn o logos

Garamond: εν αρχη ην ο λογος

Times New Roman: εν αρχη ην ο λογος

Arial: εν αρχη ην ο λογος

Trebuchet MS: εν αρχη ην ο λογος

Symbol: en arch hn o logos

Garamond: εν αρχη ην ο λογος

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**Author:** ![ragerdude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d07c76/32.png) [@ragerdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ragerdude)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/testing-greek-font-capabilities/239720/2 "2004-04-13T03:35:31Z")

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Hebrew Capabilities:

Times New Roman: אשר־נאספו אל־ירושלם

Arial: אשר־נאספו אל־ירושלם

Trebuchet MS: אשר־נאספו אל־ירושלם

Book Antiqua: אשר־נאספו אל־ירושלם

Garamond: אשר־נאספו אל־ירושלם

Times New Roman: אשר־נאספו אל־ירושלם

Arial: אשר־נאספו אל־ירושלם

Trebuchet MS: אשר־נאספו אל־ירושלם

Book Antiqua: אשר־נאספו אל־ירושלם

Garamond: אשר־נאספו אל־ירושלם

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**Author:** ![ragerdude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d07c76/32.png) [@ragerdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ragerdude)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/testing-greek-font-capabilities/239720/3 "2004-04-13T03:45:52Z")

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;j ;j ;j ;j

Yay! We can do vowel points:

Times New Roman: ובְים שֽמְחַת

Garamond: ובְים שֽמְחַת

Hey Dopers: Does these posts look right on your browser?

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**Author:** ![ragerdude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d07c76/32.png) [@ragerdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ragerdude)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/testing-greek-font-capabilities/239720/4 "2004-04-13T03:53:20Z")

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Accents:

Times New Roman: Παυ̃λος δου̃λος Χριστου̃ Ιησου̃ κλητὸς απόστολος

Arial: Παυ̃λος δου̃λος Χριστου̃ Ιησου̃ κλητὸς απόστολος

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**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/testing-greek-font-capabilities/239720/5 "2004-04-13T18:16:03Z")

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> [@ragerdude](#):
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> Hey Dopers: Does these posts look right on your browser?

Win2000, IE 6.0 here. Fonts look great.

BTW, Cyrillic is also available – someone used it in a GQ thread last week. Probably some others, too.

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**Author:** ![kellner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/c2a13f/32.png) [@kellner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kellner)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/testing-greek-font-capabilities/239720/6 "2004-04-13T18:52:10Z")

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Windows XP, Mozilla Firefox 0.8

The greek _Symbol_ line is rendered in latin letters (works in IE 6.0)

The rest works.

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**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/testing-greek-font-capabilities/239720/7 "2004-04-13T22:01:33Z")

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Hey, isn’t that witnessing?  
And ironically, I too can see the Greek letters in every font there except for the one specifically designed for Greek letters. Mozilla, OSX. This is an issue I’ve been rather annoyed about for a while now, but it seems that “it’s a feature, not a bug”, so there’s not much hope of a fix.

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**Author:** ![biqu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@biqu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/biqu)\
**Post date:** [April 13, 2004, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/testing-greek-font-capabilities/239720/8 "2004-04-13T22:10:06Z")

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Mozilla Firefox 0.8 on a modern GNU/Linux distribution. Greek and Hebrew look fine, except in the symbol font, as others have noticed.

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**Author:** ![Some\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Some\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Some_Guy)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2004, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/testing-greek-font-capabilities/239720/9 "2004-04-14T04:03:13Z")

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[curmudgeon mode]

As I’ve noted before, the fact that fonts like Symbol display incorrectly is, in fact, correct. Rendering Symbol correctly would be incorrect, because the font itself is just broken. Needless to say, MSIE incorrectly displays it correctly, leading people to believe, incorrectly, that it should display correctly.

[/curmudgoen mode]

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**Author:** ![rkts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c4cdca/32.png) [@rkts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rkts)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2004, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/testing-greek-font-capabilities/239720/10 "2004-04-14T04:19:43Z")

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I’m seeing rectangles where I think I should be seeing accented characters in your fourth post. I’m running OS X. All the different browsers give me the same result, with the exception of IE, which puts ~s and `s there instead. IE also displays everything in your second and third posts wrong.

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**Author:** ![Lys](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/67e7ee/32.png) [@Lys](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lys)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2004, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/testing-greek-font-capabilities/239720/11 "2004-04-14T05:11:16Z")

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All fontfaces work fine, including symbol. Though symbol is rather grainy when enlarged.

Opera 7.50p3

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**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\
**Post date:** [April 14, 2004, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/testing-greek-font-capabilities/239720/12 "2004-04-14T06:01:56Z")

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> [@](#):
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> Rendering Symbol correctly would be incorrect, because the font itself is just broken.

Incorrect. What you mean to say is that it is not incorrect to not render Symbol, but it is not incorrect to render it correctly. And even the first part of that I would dispute, since one of the driving principles of the HTML standards is forwards and backwards compatability, so the fact that Symbol once was correct means that it should still be correct.

I too am seeing some boxes where accented letters should be, incidentally.
