# Texans first, Americans second?
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texans-first-americans-second/485899
**Category:** Great Debates
**Created:** [February 15, 2009, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texans-first-americans-second/485899 "2009-02-15T02:16:56Z")
**Posts on this page:** 16
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### Author:  [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2009, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texans-first-americans-second/485899/141 "2009-02-20T00:00:06Z")
> [@FoieGrasIsEvil](#):
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> I lived in Fort Worth for a few years in the 1980’s…never heard that secessionist vibe being expressed. Nor did I particularly like living there, either. Too crowded and too hot.
Lucky you weren’t in Houston. 🙂
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### Author:  [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2009, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texans-first-americans-second/485899/142 "2009-02-20T00:09:50Z")
> [@pravnik](#):
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> Lucky you weren’t in Houston. 🙂
Crowded, hot, and humid? 😃
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### Author:  [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2009, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texans-first-americans-second/485899/143 "2009-02-20T00:12:00Z")
> [@Raguleader](#):
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> Crowded, hot, and humid? 😃
And that’s on a good day. 😃 I loved living in Houston, though. I might have been the only one who did.
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### Author:  [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2009, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texans-first-americans-second/485899/144 "2009-02-20T00:19:58Z")
> [@pravnik](#):
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> And that’s on a good day. 😃 I loved living in Houston, though. I might have been the only one who did.
I loved living _near_ Houston myself. 😃
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### Author:  [@Burton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Burton)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2009, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texans-first-americans-second/485899/145 "2009-02-20T16:40:17Z")
> [@pravnik](#):
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> Looks like some “State Soveriegnty” legislation pushers; the weird “texassecede” site links to some Lew Rockwell and Thomas Di Lorenzo “up with the Tenth Amendment and State Sovereignty, down with Lincoln” websites as well. Very odd guys, but definitely not limited to Texas. Similar or identical bills have been introduced in at least nine or ten other states.
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> [Washington](http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2009&bill=4009)
> [New Hampshire](http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/legislation/2009/HCR0006.html)
> [Arizona](http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/legtext/49leg/1r/bills/hcr2024p.htm)
> [Montana](http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2009/billhtml/HB0246.htm)
> [Michigan](http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(rlnjqf35ywosjfy1d1ktia45))/mileg.aspx?page=GetObject&objectname=2009-HCR-0004)
> [Missouri](http://www.house.mo.gov/content.aspx?info=/bills091/bills/HR212.HTM)
> [Oklahoma](http://axiomamuse.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/state-legislator-charles-key-wants-to-limit-federal-power/)
> [California](http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/93-94/bill/sen/sb_0001-0050/sjr_44_bill_940829_chaptered)
> [Georgia](http://www.legis.state.ga.us/legis/1995_96/leg/fulltext/sr308.htm)
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> Some State Sovereignty websites claim that Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Indiana, Alaska, Kansas, Alabama, Nevada, Maine and Pennsylvania all have legislators saying they’re going to introduce the same bill.
No doubt. I heard some woman caller on C-Span this morning call for revolution, she was from the South somewhere.
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### Author:  [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2009, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texans-first-americans-second/485899/146 "2009-02-20T16:44:35Z")
> [@Burton](#):
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> No doubt. I heard some woman caller on C-Span this morning call for revolution, she was from the South somewhere.
Appropriate Onion article: [South Postpones Rising Again For Yet Another Year](http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28559)
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### Author:  [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2009, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texans-first-americans-second/485899/147 "2009-02-20T20:13:47Z")
Well… I, for one, _admire_ the dogged persistence of Texas patriots like the ones mentioned by the OP.
As they say down there:
_If at first y’all don’t secede, try, try again!_\*
- My own little brain came up with that allllll by myself but I’d be surprised if it hasn’t been thought of before. It’s probably on a bumper sticker somewhere.
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### Author:  [@pravnik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pravnik)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2009, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texans-first-americans-second/485899/148 "2009-02-20T22:20:46Z")
Hey now, no secession jokes. That’s, like, worse than killing Hitler’s grandma, or something.
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### Author:  [@Raguleader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raguleader)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2009, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texans-first-americans-second/485899/149 "2009-02-20T23:38:16Z")
I see the thread title, and I keep thinking:
Texans first, Americans second, women and children can fend for themselves! 😃
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### Author:  [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2009, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texans-first-americans-second/485899/150 "2009-02-20T23:56:39Z")
> [@SHAKES](#):
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> I think this Toutube link is appropiate: (Warning be prepared to piss your pants)
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> **Real Men of Genius**
> [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4PHV6NdCWE](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4PHV6NdCWE)
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> As a Texan; I can say this commercial is pretty much spot on.
It’s amusing, but the other 49 states are not all smaller than Texas, though I can understand why a Texan would have this particular blind spot.
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### Author:  [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)
#### Post date: [February 21, 2009, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texans-first-americans-second/485899/151 "2009-02-21T00:33:52Z")
I lived in the Houston area for five years and never heard the Texas independence stuff taken seriously, even among my redneck neighbors. The few who really believed in the Republic of Texas stuff were mostly in jail on tax evasion charges.
Growing up in Staten Island, N.Y., there _was_ serious sentiment for secession (Islanders even voted in favor of it some years after I left), but that was not a case of “Staten Island first, the U.S. second”, but rather “Screw all you other NYC boroughs who get better service than we do”.
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### Author:  [@Dan\_Norder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dan_Norder)
#### Post date: [February 21, 2009, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texans-first-americans-second/485899/152 "2009-02-21T18:30:48Z")
Is there any other state that even comes close to the attitude expressed in “It’s hard to be humble when you’re from Texas”?
(And that should really be “It’s hard to _spell_ humble when you’re from Texas.”)
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### Author:  [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)
#### Post date: [February 21, 2009, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texans-first-americans-second/485899/153 "2009-02-21T20:31:00Z")
> [@Dan\_Norder](#):
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> Is there any other state that even comes close to the attitude expressed in “It’s hard to be humble when you’re from Texas”?
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> (And that should really be “It’s hard to _spell_ humble when you’re from Texas.”)
It’s certainly possible to be a [Humble Texan.](http://www.cityofhumble.com/)
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### Author:  [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)
#### Post date: [February 21, 2009, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texans-first-americans-second/485899/154 "2009-02-21T22:22:03Z")
Well, I know one _city_ that does. The City.
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### Author:  [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)
#### Post date: [February 21, 2009, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texans-first-americans-second/485899/155 "2009-02-21T22:35:43Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#):
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> Well, I know one _city_ that does. The City.
I presume that the antecedent to this post is **this** :
> [@Dan Norder](#):
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> Is there any other state that even comes close to the attitude expressed in “It’s hard to be humble when you’re from Texas”?
So, are you talking about San Francisco? I’ve never noticed anything particularly arrogant about them. Well, barring the fact that they refer to themselves as **The** City.
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### Author:  [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)
#### Post date: [February 22, 2009, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texans-first-americans-second/485899/156 "2009-02-22T03:31:41Z")
San Francisco? The City?
No, no. **THE CITY**.
[http://www.phables.com/archive/20060224.html](http://www.phables.com/archive/20060224.html)
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