# Texas 2025 redistricting standoff -- what is endgame? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [August 5, 2025, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-2025-redistricting-standoff-what-is-endgame/1021745 "2025-08-05T23:21:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-2025-redistricting-standoff-what-is-endgame/1021745/21 "2025-08-06T13:10:44Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Senator Cornyn has called for the FBI to pursue, arrest and return any of the Democrats who fled the state. DJT has suggested it may be necessary to do this. Which has to be absolute political puffery; state legislators leaving their own state and breaking their own state’s laws is so far out of the FBI’s jurisdiction that it’s beyond absurd. What federal law have they broken, after all? > [@Aspenglow](#): > > Indeed. I wondered if that’s where they got the idea. Hah! More like the other way around. This is the fourth (3rd? 5th?) time the Texas Democrats have done this that I can recall. The main problem that crops up is that they eventually run out of cash to stay elsewhere, and/or personal stuff like jobs, families, etc… require their attention back home. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-2025-redistricting-standoff-what-is-endgame/1021745/22 "2025-08-06T13:57:50Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > What the hell is that? As far as I can tell, it is a date rape shield in the form of a grossly oversized corsage. Every Texas debutant wants one for homecoming, though. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-2025-redistricting-standoff-what-is-endgame/1021745/23 "2025-08-06T14:02:47Z")
Date rape shield? I thought that was what the big buckles where for. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-2025-redistricting-standoff-what-is-endgame/1021745/24 "2025-08-06T14:06:01Z")
> [@Kolak\_of\_Twilo](#): > > Senator Cornyn has called for the FBI to pursue, arrest and return any of the Democrats who fled the state. Are they supposed to be slaves, then? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-2025-redistricting-standoff-what-is-endgame/1021745/25 "2025-08-06T14:34:22Z")
[BACKFIRE: Texas Governor CRASHES & BURNS over walkout](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiSSAide5RU) according to marc elias (around the 12 mark of the video) the democrats need to hold out long enough that the redistricting can not happen for the 2026 election. texas has an early deadline for election ballots. they need to hold out until dec. or jan.. california has a longer run up to election ballots and can move their maps after the texas deadline. moves and countermoves. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-2025-redistricting-standoff-what-is-endgame/1021745/26 "2025-08-06T14:41:16Z")
> [@PatrickLondon](#): > > Are they supposed to be slaves, then? This is the kind of Supreme Court that would re-affirm the _Dred Scott v. Sandford_ decision. Under what legal authority the FBI or other federal law enforcement agency (a.k.a. the US Marshals Service which is typically the organization responsible for tracking fugitives across state lines) could arrest and ‘repatriate’ state legislators without extradition proceedings is unclear but I wouldn’t put it past Pam Bondi to try. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-2025-redistricting-standoff-what-is-endgame/1021745/27 "2025-08-06T14:46:54Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > [BACKFIRE: Texas Governor CRASHES & BURNS over walkout](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiSSAide5RU) > > according to marc elias (around the 12 mark of the video) the democrats need to hold out long enough that the redistricting can not happen for the 2026 election. **texas has an early deadline for election ballots**. they need to hold out until dec. or jan.. > > california has a longer run up to election ballots and can move their maps after the texas deadline. > > moves and countermoves. (Emphasis mine) – seems to me that could be changed as well. Which is why I wonder if the Ds have to stay away until November. (or maybe a bit earlier as ballots for military are sent beforehand) Brian ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-2025-redistricting-standoff-what-is-endgame/1021745/28 "2025-08-06T14:58:09Z")
If Texas rules are like Congress, it is actually illegal to not attend a session without the permission of the presiding officer, thus during a quorum call, absent members are arrested and must answer to the presiding officer. This dates back to English Parliament where it is illegal for a member to either resign or not attend. ---
**Author:** ![N9IWP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/n9iwp/32/3154_2.png) [@N9IWP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/N9IWP)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-2025-redistricting-standoff-what-is-endgame/1021745/29 "2025-08-06T15:06:17Z")
Video mentioned primaries which does move up the deadline - video guesses November/December 2025 is when it will be too late for redistricting. Brian ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-2025-redistricting-standoff-what-is-endgame/1021745/30 "2025-08-06T15:22:24Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > If Texas rules are like Congress, it is actually illegal to not attend a session without the permission of the presiding officer, thus during a quorum call, absent members are arrested and must answer to the presiding officer. This dates back to English Parliament where it is illegal for a member to either resign or not attend. Still unclear how federal law enforcement gets drawn into what is a purely intrastate political conflict, especially in ‘States Rights’ country. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-2025-redistricting-standoff-what-is-endgame/1021745/31 "2025-08-06T15:26:15Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Still unclear how federal law enforcement gets drawn into what is a purely intrastate political conflict, especially in ‘States Rights’ country. I was addressing the claims of slavery from PatrickLondon & you. It’s not slavery. As for the FBI involvement, I imagine if you violate state law nd cross state line there could be federal involvement but I don’t know how far that extends. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-2025-redistricting-standoff-what-is-endgame/1021745/32 "2025-08-06T15:56:49Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Various factions of lawmakers and other officials have been withdrawing from governing bodies and segregating themselves in an attempt to deny legitimacy to the remainder for a long, long time. So for a couple of days, eh? 😉 Thanks for fighting my ignorance! It seems like a tactic more recently employed in the US, though. I remember being appalled when I read about it here in Oregon. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-2025-redistricting-standoff-what-is-endgame/1021745/33 "2025-08-06T16:00:35Z")
There are only a few states–I’m pretty sure it’s in the mid-single digits–where this kind of screwball walkout thing is even possible. Most states sensibly follow the federal example and set the quorum requirement at a majority of members. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-2025-redistricting-standoff-what-is-endgame/1021745/34 "2025-08-06T16:06:18Z")
> [@Red\_Wiggler](#): > > The Texas GOP has been pretty frank in admitting that the goal is to insure a continuing Republican majority in Congress for Trump, a tacit admission that the GOP is pretty worried about the midterms. The first part is correct. I disagree with the second part, about the GOP being worried. Instead, the new map shows that they are trying to consolidate their new found advantage in young Latinos, especially young Latino men, voting GOP. Take my district for example. I currently live in district 27, represented by Michael Cloud - R, a safe R district. Under the new map, I would live in district 34, presently represented by Vicente Gonzalez - D. In 2024 Gonzalez won by a 2.5% margin. In 2022, he won against his same opponent by 8.5 percent. I expect that Gonzalez will probably lose to her in 2026. Why do I expect that? The difference between 2022 and 2024 was largely that young Latinos in Brownsville and Harlingen (the eastern, slightly less densely populated part of the Rio Grande Valley metro area), swung to the GOP. How does an aspiring gerrymanderer take advantage of that? By expanding that district northward to include the “white” parts of Corpus Christi where I live. Of course this means that the district to the west, district 15, also a D district, needs to grow from somewhere. Where is that coming from? From the safe, ruby red parts of Cloud’s district 27. That district is also at risk of going R for the same reasons. The young Latinos in McAllen, Pharr, San Juan, etc. (the bulk of the Rio Grande Valley) are also moving to the right. in other words, at least in South Texas this isn’t about diluting the Latino vote. It’s about recognizing that Latinos are now more Republican than they used to be and taking advantage of that fact. Fighting redistricting won’t change that. The only way to change that is for Democrats to win back the votes of those young Latinos. The new map would actually be more favorable to Democrats than Republicans if we assume that the traditional D voters returned to voting D. This new map is about Republicans counting on that not happening, as opposed to the old school gerrymandering that relied on diluting the votes of minorities. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-2025-redistricting-standoff-what-is-endgame/1021745/35 "2025-08-06T17:45:26Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > What is the endgame? To maintain control of the House of Representatives at all costs at the midterms. There’s nothing they won’t do, no line they won’t cross. The haven’t gotten this far by respecting norms, traditions or laws. > > The only and perennial answer is: Power. It’s all they care about. …and that’s EXACTLY why you should all vote for me to win the Powerball jackpot: so that I can blanket the nation with billboards reminding them that voting for a Republican is a SIN.\* If I can shame just seventy million voters to either vote Democrat or to abstain, it will have been worth it. \*an established and uncontroversial FACT ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-2025-redistricting-standoff-what-is-endgame/1021745/36 "2025-08-06T17:56:58Z")
> [@kaylasdad99](#): > > …and that’s EXACTLY why you should all vote for me to win the Powerball jackpot: That’s…not the way Powerball works? But crypto, on the other hand, is purely a contest of who can persuade the most people to back their scam. Definitely get the suckers on in on your memecoin drop. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-2025-redistricting-standoff-what-is-endgame/1021745/37 "2025-08-06T17:58:20Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > That’s…not the way Powerball works? Well, it SHOULD be. Vote early and often. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-2025-redistricting-standoff-what-is-endgame/1021745/38 "2025-08-06T18:03:35Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > especially in ‘States Rights’ country. That’s where the equivocation comes into it! “In this case, the State is _right_ to call in the Feds!” ---
**Author:** ![echoreply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/echoreply/32/3641_2.png) [@echoreply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/echoreply)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2025, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/texas-2025-redistricting-standoff-what-is-endgame/1021745/39 "2025-08-06T18:20:19Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Still unclear how federal law enforcement gets drawn into what is a purely intrastate political conflict, especially in ‘States Rights’ country Easy, Trump wants it to happen. He is already using the DOJ as his own legal attack dogs to deal with grudges going back to the Obama administration. There is nothing stopping him from arresting them for whatever random reason the agent in charge makes up. Take them back to Texas, deny bail as they’re demonstrated flight risks, and bring them under custody to the legislature to vote. All of that happens in the course of a day or two, and by the time the courts have tried to unwind any of it, the redistricting is a done deal. > [@bobot](#): > > And ultimately, whatever maps they devise will approved by our irretrievably corrupt and broken court system I think the Supreme Court has already said that districting is a political decision, and so not appropriate for the court to review it. Of course, none of that will actually apply if California gets a referendum (or ballot measure, or whatever it needs to be) through that allows them to redistrict. Then the court will find really solid reasons that what California did is wrong. Even if it doesn’t work in Texas, they can always try again in Florida. ---
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